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19 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

This batch is just for testing. There will be diesels ordered for years to come.

12 hours ago, PCC Guy said:

The TTC is aiming to have an emissions free fleet by 2040, so I wouldn't count on it.

According to Steve's article, this year will be the last year of diesel/hybrid bus orders, and the fleet is expected to be fully electric by 2033, which is 14 years from now, corresponding to the life expectancy of the most recently-delivered buses.

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1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Just remember Ford just slashed TTC's additional capital funding they don't even know if they can afford anymore buses in the next decade nevermind electric buses. Right now those artics they are going to order in 2021 are in jeopardy. We might not see any new buses in the next few years unless John Tory decides property tax needs to hiked.

Couldn’t they get Transport Canada funding, in the US, Transit Systems get FTA funding

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4 minutes ago, TTC T6H-5307N 2252 said:

Couldn’t they get Transport Canada funding, in the US, Transit Systems get FTA funding

The pot has a limit. TTC has one capital budget, it could bus, subway trains, ATO upgrade or whatever needs fixing. It can't be everything. The Feds funding is an one time payment which is not sustainable. They need a regular income.

As the capital shortfall continues to grow, very soon we'll have our own little NYC subway disaster. They could get Andy Byford but no funds to actually fix their system.

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2 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

As the capital shortfall continues to grow, very soon we'll have our own little NYC subway disaster.

Are you referring to the 1991 Union Square derailment or service cutbacks/fleet shortages, or something else entirely?

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2 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

The pot has a limit. TTC has one capital budget, it could bus, subway trains, ATO upgrade or whatever needs fixing. It can't be everything. The Feds funding is an one time payment which is not sustainable. They need a regular income.

As the capital shortfall continues to grow, very soon we'll have our own little NYC subway disaster. They could get Andy Byford but no funds to actually fix their system.

They could impose a Cigarette tax

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21 minutes ago, TTC T6H-5307N 2252 said:

They could impose a Cigarette tax

Cannabis taxing should probably help, too

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4 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

Are you referring to the 1991 Union Square derailment or service cutbacks/fleet shortages, or something else entirely?

No, last year they declared a state of emergency for the New York Subway due all the backlog in repairs and upgrades. Reliability is terrible there with no cash to fix all their ongoing problems. With all these cuts, TTC will follow their footsteps. There won't be money for premium buses and would have to ride out with diesel which is half as cheap.

If the subway upload is successful, we'll likely see slow order everywhere as Queen's Park decides to reduce repairs. Worn out or cracked rails still in use. Trains being used past their design life. As long as trains are moving, it's fine to Ford. 

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6 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

If the subway upload is successful, we'll likely see slow order everywhere as Queen's Park decides to reduce repairs. Worn out or cracked rails still in use. Trains being used past their design life. As long as trains are moving, it's fine to Ford. 

The upload is garbage though, we are NOT the MTA which is NY state owned 

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13 hours ago, TTC T6H-5307N 2252 said:

Couldn’t they get Transport Canada funding, in the US, Transit Systems get FTA funding

 

TC would have to want to provide the funding for that. Traditionally, there has been a greater separation of funding of ongoing items between the Federal level and the lower levels of government in Canada than there has been in the US.

 

11 hours ago, TTC T6H-5307N 2252 said:

They could impose a Cigarette tax

 

10 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

Cannabis taxing should probably help, too

Neither of those things are capable of being taxed by Toronto.


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Just now, smallspy said:

Neither of those things are capable of being taxed by Toronto.

Technically, but the extra money could technically go into transit funding

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2 minutes ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

Technically, but the extra money could technically go into transit funding

It's not "technically" - it's a fact. There's nothing technical about it.


The list of things that the City is capable of levying a tax on is very, very specific and not particularly long.


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50 minutes ago, smallspy said:

It's not "technically" - it's a fact. There's nothing technical about it.


The list of things that the City is capable of levying a tax on is very, very specific and not particularly long.


Dan

As in the extra federal money will eventually go into transit funding. I admit, however, that I wasn't thinking in my earlier post

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7 hours ago, Imgursdownvote4love said:

 I admit, however, that I wasn't thinking in my earlier post

Think twice, post once, or perhaps don't post in this particular case. 

Cannabis and tobacco are already taxed. And it would make little sense to tax either further to fund transit. The more likely scenario would be a gas tax to fund transit.

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3700 is scheduled to go on 935 or 35 jane later today if anyone wants to catch the bus

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45 minutes ago, TechnicaProductions said:

How true is this?

Ask the training guys at arrow...

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7 minutes ago, Kelvin3157 said:

On a Sunday... I smell bullshit

You are correct. It is tracking at Arrow right now not in service.

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Gone are the days (for now) when operators could ask for, and get a bus (or streetcar) for a late run as an oddball on a route

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23 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

Gone are the days (for now) when operators could ask for, and get a bus (or streetcar) for a late run as an oddball on a route

it depends on the foreman's mood. Back when Eglinton had abundance of Orions and Nova, I was given a chance to drive either a slow box or Nova when I pull into the repair bay for a changeoff.  

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The TTC ought to organize a media event to introduce the public to their upcoming zero-emissions ride before they even consider putting it in revenue service. If they just go ahead with deployment, how would a rider react when they realize their bus is moving without hearing any engine noise? Could they think their bus might have stalled and would go out of control? I would think of retrofitting artificial noisemakers to assure these riders nothing is wrong with these buses. Just as how the public needs to be educated about electric cars, they should also know what to expect from an electric bus.

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28 minutes ago, Transit geek said:

The TTC ought to organize a media event to introduce the public to their upcoming zero-emissions ride before they even consider putting it in revenue service. If they just go ahead with deployment, how would a rider react when they realize their bus is moving without hearing any engine noise? Could they think their bus might have stalled and would go out of control? I would think of retrofitting artificial noisemakers to assure these riders nothing is wrong with these buses. Just as how the public needs to be educated about electric cars, they should also know what to expect from an electric bus.

Ok, passengers can be dumb, but they're not that dumb. Geez.

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1 hour ago, Transit geek said:

The TTC ought to organize a media event to introduce the public to their upcoming zero-emissions ride before they even consider putting it in revenue service. If they just go ahead with deployment, how would a rider react when they realize their bus is moving without hearing any engine noise? Could they think their bus might have stalled and would go out of control? I would think of retrofitting artificial noisemakers to assure these riders nothing is wrong with these buses. Just as how the public needs to be educated about electric cars, they should also know what to expect from an electric bus.

Let's say 99.99999999999% of the riders DO NOT CARE. They only care about getting from A to B comfortablely in a timely manner. You're way overthinking it. Even if they had an educational event, you'll be the only few attending not because you want to learn but you're a transit enthusiast. Therefore that will miss the purpose of such event and thus completely unnecessary.

People don't react to the engine shutted off on the new hybrids.

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I'm sure there will be a media unveiling, but it will be to tout the environmental benefits of the bus, not to introduce a fringe group of oblivious clowns to quiet buses.

Everyone survived when there were trolley buses.

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4 hours ago, Transit geek said:

The TTC ought to organize a media event to introduce the public to their upcoming zero-emissions ride before they even consider putting it in revenue service. If they just go ahead with deployment, how would a rider react when they realize their bus is moving without hearing any engine noise? Could they think their bus might have stalled and would go out of control? I would think of retrofitting artificial noisemakers to assure these riders nothing is wrong with these buses. Just as how the public needs to be educated about electric cars, they should also know what to expect from an electric bus.

The Xcelsiors already have an "artificial noisemaker" at the back of the bus. Its called the rear HVAC. In addition to that, the AC electric motors used in E-buses aren't exactly silent. Besides, most transit bus riders are not enthusiasts like us who constantly pay attention to every aspect of the vehicle they are traveling in.

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