nfitz Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Just now, Xtrazsteve said: Maybe next board meeting which is delayed till July 11. No, at the next TTC Budget committee meeting, which is next week. Oh hang on, it's cancelled - http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Committee_meetings/Budget/2016/index.jsp Byfield clearly said at the last TTC board meeting that it would be presented to the budget committee on June 16th. I wonder what's happened ... seems like a long delay until July 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted June 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Looking at TTCs M&P, the REOI has been awarded, this past Tuesday, but no info on who won. https://www.ttc.ca/TTC_Business/Materials_and_procurement/Tender_Responses.jsp I guess we may have to wait until July 11th for the next Board meeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 I heard through the grapevine there was a Flyer XD40 at Hillcrest last Friday. The bus didn't have stainless steel frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutharsan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 On 6/27/2016 at 2:31 PM, FlyerD901 said: I heard through the grapevine there was a Flyer XD40 at Hillcrest last Friday. The bus didn't have stainless steel frame. Pretty sad, eh? Nova is again to chose for the future orders. Oh well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB_1024 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 What exactly is wrong with NovaBus? It would make sense for the TTC to go with something familiar anyways, and I'll be honest, the Xcelsior just looks like a cheapened out Invero to me, and no one liked the Inveros... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 20 minutes ago, HB_1024 said: What exactly is wrong with NovaBus? It would make sense for the TTC to go with something familiar anyways, and I'll be honest, the Xcelsior just looks like a cheapened out Invero to me, and no one liked the Inveros... Some people dislike the rear facing seats at the back. The XD40's do have a better seating layout than the NovaBuses. Meanwhile there are some NFI fans here that are bias and and some that would like to see more variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted June 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 7 hours ago, Sutharsan said: Pretty sad, eh? Nova is again to chose for the future orders. Oh well.... Well, the bus for another TA, so it just passing through. Its not like they spec'd it out for TTC just to deliver it to another TA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivablue5215 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: Some people dislike the rear facing seats at the back. Perimeter seating is an option as well for the Novas at the back, but TTC decided against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wil9402 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 23 hours ago, HB_1024 said: What exactly is wrong with NovaBus? It would make sense for the TTC to go with something familiar anyways, and I'll be honest, the Xcelsior just looks like a cheapened out Invero to me, and no one liked the Inveros... Nothing is wrong with NovaBus. It is just that as long as New Flyer is non-compliant to TTC's requirements NovaBus is the only company that the TTC can order from, which does not give the TTC the ability to get better pricing since NovaBus has no competition for the contract. 18 hours ago, FlyerD901 said: Well, the bus for another TA, so it just passing through. Its not like they spec'd it out for TTC just to deliver it to another TA It was a demo bus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 It may have had nothing to do with the bus itself. Maybe it was an option the flyer happened to have. (Clever devices for example.... Or maybe it was something to do with Allison-if so equipped. Hell, it could have been the tires for all we know. Just because it happened to be a flyer doesn't necessarily mean squat) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, Bus_Medic said: It may have had nothing to do with the bus itself. Maybe it was an option the flyer happened to have. (Clever devices for example.... Or maybe it was something to do with Allison-if so equipped. Hell, it could have been the tires for all we know. Just because it happened to be a flyer doesn't necessarily mean squat) Just a show bus. We get them a lot here too. They just show it off to see if theres interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 hour ago, TTC 9701 said: Just a show bus. We get them a lot here too. They just show it off to see if theres interests. Not exactly. And where's "here"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 4 hours ago, TTC 9701 said: Just a show bus. We get them a lot here too. They just show it off to see if theres interests. I don't think you understand what he was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion 1200 Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 On 6/30/2016 at 11:39 PM, wil9402 said: Nothing is wrong with NovaBus. It is just that as long as New Flyer is non-compliant to TTC's requirements NovaBus is the only company that the TTC can order from, which does not give the TTC the ability to get better pricing since NovaBus has no competition for the contract. And transit enthusiasts always want what they can't have. If TTC had ordered 300 buses from New Flyer, these same people would want Novas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivers Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Late to the party here, but drivers at least hate Nova LFSes for several reasons. The driver's seat is twice as far from the front wheels compared to every other bus, so every bump in the road is felt twice as hard. The compartment is forward of the doors so you have to crane your neck to check fares. Getting into and out of the seat is a pain because the farebox is about parallel with your mid-thigh, I personally smack my knee right in the ligament more often than not. And the steering wheel is way lower than other buses, so you can't really adjust the ergonomics that much, even the short drivers run with it fully telescoped. Oh, I've heard other drivers complain you can't lean the seat back as far as on other buses, but I sit upright so can't confirm that. Points to them for better accessibility for people using mobility aids, and they turn tighter, but that's about the only good thing I can say about that front end design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 All I got to say is good luck staring at the presto reader all day long when everyone is using it. Maybe hearing it beep is good enough. For Quebec agencies, the only thing they get are Nova LFSes. They don't have anything to compare with. The back door is still really slow and always slamming into those who stand beside them. Yet people still haven't figure it out yet. I mean it's already a year that Arrow had them and 2 years for the artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 The TTC really should consult with operators before getting new buses and get some operator input, this is another reason why there's a low morale at TTC. No one expects anything to be perfect, but I'm sure some driver input could reduce some of the problems and complaints. People should book off to make a statement, get JHSC involved and the union in some joint effort to address some of these concerns before another million Novas start coming in. They bulldozed the M/C handle on us in the TR, which is not good for your wrist, just poor ergonomics. The M/C handle on the T1s and Hawkers are so much better, the T1s being the best for me. Apparently the new streetcars have the M/C handle on the left hand side the same left hand is also needed to operate the doors. I haven't been in the operators compartment, so I have yet to see that. But I've heard complaints about them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 For TA's with multiple bus types in their fleet, most drivers complain about the bad design of the Nova Bus. Not only that but the complaints are similar across the board, and customers are complaining about various components inside the bus as well. As i've said in the past, the bus is just badly designed from head to toe and I really don't know how Volvo has gotten away with selling the same bus design for 20+ years without a major redesign (asides from the engine adjustment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 hour ago, lip said: For TA's with multiple bus types in their fleet, most drivers complain about the bad design of the Nova Bus. Not only that but the complaints are similar across the board, and customers are complaining about various components inside the bus as well. As i've said in the past, the bus is just badly designed from head to toe and I really don't know how Volvo has gotten away with selling the same bus design for 20+ years without a major redesign (asides from the engine adjustment). Simply, they meet most of the design requirements and specs plus offering a lower price than NFI (the only competitor here). The also got all the TAs in Quebec to sell their buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 looks like TTC went from an REOI to a RFI. Request for Information - Future Bus Procurement of TTC Buses "The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) is seeking a Request For Information (RFI) in order to identify and obtain information from bus manufacturers interested in participating with future bus purchases. The TTC currently operates and maintains a fleet of approximately 2,000 buses to support the movement of its customers across the Greater Toronto Area. A move to steady state procurement has been implemented and the TTC plans on purchasing approximately 110 buses annually" The first post of this thread had the number of buses at 120 annually. So it looks as if TTC revised what they are looking for. This one closes on October 28th 2016, which is next week Friday Document Request List This is just a Request For information (RFI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 On 8/8/2016 at 4:18 PM, shivers said: Late to the party here, but drivers at least hate Nova LFSes for several reasons. The driver's seat is twice as far from the front wheels compared to every other bus, so every bump in the road is felt twice as hard. The compartment is forward of the doors so you have to crane your neck to check fares. Getting into and out of the seat is a pain because the farebox is about parallel with your mid-thigh, I personally smack my knee right in the ligament more often than not. And the steering wheel is way lower than other buses, so you can't really adjust the ergonomics that much, even the short drivers run with it fully telescoped. Oh, I've heard other drivers complain you can't lean the seat back as far as on other buses, but I sit upright so can't confirm that. Points to them for better accessibility for people using mobility aids, and they turn tighter, but that's about the only good thing I can say about that front end design. also the location of the mirrors. I can barely reach the mirrors. In winter i have to wipe the close side mirrors. thank goodness we don't have the Nova at Eglinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Also older equipments are not wheelchair accessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Why even bother responding to a tool like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT_BMT_IND Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 On 10/19/2016 at 5:59 PM, FlyerD901 said: "The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) is seeking a Request For Information (RFI) in order to identify and obtain information from bus manufacturers interested in participating with future bus purchases. This sounds a bit like the TTC is not impressed by either Nova or NFI product and is looking for alternative suppliers. Maybe ADL will make them something at their new CKD plant in Vaughan lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB_1024 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I can't imagine the TTC wants double decker buses, and to the best of my knowledge the only single-deck ADL product sold in North America is New Flyer's MiDi (rebadged Enviro200). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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