webfil Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 CDPQ-Infra is expecting an Alstom delivery, and will begin testing 2 REM trains « in the next few weeks » on south shore antenna, according to Robert Nadeau, REM deputy general manager. Get your lenses ready. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfil Posted October 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 Alstom Metropolis cars were delivered to Brossard Maintenance Centre in the last few days. After inspection and coupling tests, they should hit the tracks. More info : https://rem.info/fr/actualites/arrivee-premieres-voitures 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Preview of the Fairview-Pointe-Claire station and 3D renderings of Des Sources and Anse-à-l'Orme stations. More info here : https://rem.info/en/actualites/architecture-station-fairview-pointe-claire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downbeat Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 Whoops: "Leftover explosive material from the century-old Mount Royal tunnel's original construction detonated in July. No workers were injured." https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/century-old-explosives-detonate-in-mount-royal-tunnel-rem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 Mark this date on your calendar! Monday at 9:15 a.m., the first cars will be unveiled. https://fb.me/e/4uohSJgX6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyfong Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Photos posted to Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/transit/comments/jvbmad/new_alstom_metropolis_cars_for_montreals_upcoming/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Unfortunately the first trainset will not leave the garage just yet, it should roll out in the next weeks. Catenary has been installed to at least Chevrier, but has yet to be installed between the garage and the train wash. One interesting thing I noted, they are exploring the ability to let us visit the cars before the opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfil Posted November 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Looking closely, I don't see overhead power in the garage neither. No worries : they must have tractors for hauling trains around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Walton Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyfong Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 Is there any idea why they're built as two-car trains, rather than being four- or six-car connected trains that you could walk down the whole train length? How long will the platforms be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfil Posted November 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 Platforms will be the length of 4 cars. The original scenario had provisions for running 2-car trains north of Centrale between 9 AM and 3 PM, as well as some (un)coupling at Bois-Francs, hence the short trains. It might still be the case, though I can't find any document to corroborate that. Note that the capacity of a REM car (150-200 pax) is significantly superior to an Azur car (122 pax). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 hours ago, webfil said: Platforms will be the length of 4 cars. The original scenario had provisions for running 2-car trains north of Centrale between 9 AM and 3 PM, as well as some (un)coupling at Bois-Francs, hence the short trains. It might still be the case, though I can't find any document to corroborate that. Note that the capacity of a REM car (150-200 pax) is significantly superior to an Azur car (122 pax). I've never heard this scenario before, but it's really interesting. I'm wondering how it would be possible to split up cars midway on a trip? The actual is scenario is four cars in peak and two cars in the rest of the day, with an uncoupling done at the end of each line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyfong Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 20 hours ago, FelixINX said: I've never heard this scenario before, but it's really interesting. I'm wondering how it would be possible to split up cars midway on a trip? The actual is scenario is four cars in peak and two cars in the rest of the day, with an uncoupling done at the end of each line. Sounds quite cumbersome to couple and de-couple trains through different times of the day. I feel that it would be better to keep train lengths consistent throughout the day, in order not to surprise passengers with a shorter train (not everyone gets the train length indicators the first time). I know that BART does that, but overall very few metro systems does that. Of automated trains I still prefer the walk-through four-car SkyTrain Mark III or the six-car Sydney Metro Alstom Metropolis sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, anyfong said: Sounds quite cumbersome to couple and de-couple trains through different times of the day. I feel that it would be better to keep train lengths consistent throughout the day, in order not to surprise passengers with a shorter train (not everyone gets the train length indicators the first time). I know that BART does that, but overall very few metro systems does that. Of automated trains I still prefer the walk-through four-car SkyTrain Mark III or the six-car Sydney Metro Alstom Metropolis sets. The coupling and decoupling procedures will probably be automatic, so it should be quick. It's all come down to cost, if it's cheaper, they'll do it. But I do agree that a full walk-through train would have been better from a passenger perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfil Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Found them! Here are the preliminary scenarios, presented to the BAPE : https://archives.bape.gouv.qc.ca/sections/mandats/Reseau_electrique_métropolitain/documents/DA91.pdf There is no coupling at Bois-Francs as I thought I remembered, but peak line capacity scenario has provision for 1m 30s frequency on system core, with short runs at Roxboro and Centrale. 15 hours ago, FelixINX said: But I do agree that a full walk-through train would have been better from a passenger perspective. Why? What is the difference? Azur cars have full boa conception because of capacity and venting issues with previous models. REM cars will be equipped with A/C, and trains will have 55-70% of an Azur's capacity (depending on method of calculation), whereas the expected global network demand is 15% of the metro (I do not have the data to spatialise this demand). Nevertheless, the peak line capacity on South Shore antenna (24kpax/hour/direction) will be comparable to Orange line's (22kpax/hour/direction) I do no think the passenger gains anything from running empty trains all day, except from enjoyment of higher ride subsidy caused by higher costs of operation and maintenance. 16 hours ago, anyfong said: I feel that it would be better to keep train lengths consistent throughout the day, in order not to surprise passengers with a shorter train (not everyone gets the train length indicators the first time). All stations, fully accessible, will be equipped with PSDs that will have visual and aural signalling. Length between doors is continuous, coupler or not, so the train should be able to stop mid-station. This is pretty much intuitive. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 23 hours ago, webfil said: I do no think the passenger gains anything from running empty trains all day, except from enjoyment of higher ride subsidy caused by higher costs of operation and maintenance. I had not taken into account the cost, just the passenger experience. There is a number of cases where a full boa train allowed me more flexibility, for instance to move to another car when my car is full (REM will have capacity indicators, so this is not a big problem). Also, just the ability to move to the good door to catch my connection can save a lot of time. But, I would never pay more to get this flexibility, I could easily live without. I don't think such automated technology exists, but ideally there could be a four-car boa train, where the two center cars could be removed at the depot. It would probably be less safe if a passenger stays during the uncoupling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfil Posted December 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Leaked info : North and eastward extension (gare Centrale―Marie-Victorin and Gare Centrale―Pointe-aux-Trembles) to be announced tomorrow. 2 new routes : Gare Centrale to Montréal-Nord via René-Lévesque (aerial), Notre-Dame, Dickson, hôpital Maisonneuve-Rosemont (underground), Lacordaire Gare Centrale to Pointe-aux-Termbles via René-Lévesque, Notre-Dame, Dickson, then Sherbrooke (unclear if former Longue-Pointe subdivision/exo ROW is part of the project). Stay tuned. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Le REM de l'est - https://www.cdpqinfra.com/en/projects/overview/rem-est 23 stations across 32 kilometers and an investment of 10 billion $. My personal opinion: an excellent project for the mobility, and they seem to have learned from the negative points of the REM 1 (line A). The aerial structure on René-Lévesque is not ideal, but with 10B$, I hope they can do a good architecural job. The only downside, for now, only 2 cars? Why not 4? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTL66 Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 hours ago, FelixINX said: Le REM de l'est - https://www.cdpqinfra.com/en/projects/overview/rem-est 23 stations across 32 kilometers and an investment of 10 billion $. My personal opinion: an excellent project for the mobility, and they seem to have learned from the negative points of the REM 1 (line A). The aerial structure on René-Lévesque is not ideal, but with 10B$, I hope they can do a good architecural job. The only downside, for now, only 2 cars? Why not 4? Also aparently will not be the same rolling stock as REM1... The terminal point in PAT will be 3 minutes from my house, so a faster connection downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 8 hours ago, MTL66 said: Also aparently will not be the same rolling stock as REM1... It will be two different order, but since they will probably have the same specifications, Bombardier Transport will become part of Alstom next year and the Government will most likely require a percentage of local content, I expect Alstom Metropolis cars built in Lapocatière. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_the_traveller Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Here are some initial reactions: The rolling stock of the REM de l’est could be built by the same supplier as the Gatineau LRT which is also in the pipeline (the Premier seemed to imply this). The door is open for a phase 3 of the REM: westbound towards Lachine, and further east to Mascouche along the CN and exo right of ways, to eventually replace the Mascouche commuter train. Once the REM opens towards Pointe-aux-Trembles, the Mascouche commuter train becomes pretty redundant. I imagine they will create a « Navette ferroviaire » between Pointe-aux-Trembles and Mascouche instead of running commuter trains all the way to Côte-de-Liesse. This is clearly a developer’s project. The choice to go east on Sherbrooke st. East will allow for development of the lands along this axis whereas if the line had taken the Via-bus de l’est corridor along the old rail line, the line would have been easier to integrate and cheaper to build however less payoff in development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclair14 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 So after reviewing the things, here are some of my thoughts about the project, while i am very happy for the east end to get a real metro style service, here are some questions and opinions - The Notre-Dame axis is of course the path of least resistance to pass a light rail as this zone is industrial, there is a green space to pass the route without too much expropriation, however what we are building around there is a green line doubleur. However, it will connect nicely with Pie-IX BRT south end for a fast ride downtown - While a line under Lacordaire to Cegep Marie-Victorin has a great ability to catch traffic destinated to the orange line up front, it does mine the Pie-IX BRT project that will see a much reduced ridership - Crazy idea, since we already need to do major work on the Ville-Marie and Viger tunnels work, would it be difficult to modify tunnels to allow REM to pass in them instead of an aerial structure on René-Lévesque. - Since we are already at Cegep Marie-Victorin, wonder how much it will could to extend the link to Terrebonne via the A-25 corridor, yes there would be three bridges to build but rest of the route would be on cheap flat land. This could be a game changer for transit in the north east giving St-Vincent de Paul, Duvernay, St-François, Terrebonne and Mascouche riders a great alternative to the orange line. - Honoré-Beaugrand station would lose a great significance when the line opens as this east end bus hub will see it's role severely reduced. Instead a station should be built at Radisson to allow the connection with the green line . Also since blue line will end at Galeries d'Anjou and with a major bus terminal there, maybe a People mover style train (see Link Train at Pearson) should be consider between Galeries d'Anjou and Place Versailles. - East end riders studying at CEGEP Marie-Victorin could actually see their trip time increase with the REM, instead of having an express bus from Radisson that stops nowhere, they would need (if CDPQ infra put in place "limitations" on bus routes like in REM1) to backtrack to Lacordaire then up to CEGEP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixINX Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 The first Metropolis cars have rolled out today! They will be running between Brossard and boulevard Milan for at least 12 months. https://www.instagram.com/p/CI8sNH0Hdxi/?igshid=mqeefk5opisz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdx Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 ????! ????! Since there seem to be a REM expansion madness occuring amongst the government, and new lines have been recently announced, I might as well chip in and propose a western extension to that stub line. Given that there are disused rail infrastructure out there and that provision has been made for a rapid transit line when Spaghetti-Junction was rebuilt, and that the government has announced a feasibility study to a portion of the pink line that would serve Lachine, here is my take on that subject: The line would leave the terminus, which I have dubbed Place-Ville-Marie, to distinguish with other REM stations there. It would go on shortly on René-Lévesque, and turn south on Peel to St-Jacques, then westward to Atwater, with a station at Guy. At Atwater, it would veer south, stopping at Lionel-Groulx, then go on on the parc du Premier Chemin-de-Fer (the old Bonaventure spur), then squeeze along the CN mainline and Charlebois street; the latter could be condemned as there are no residences, except two laneways serving two multi-dwelling houses. Going west, still along the CN mainline, a station at St-Rémi ( Turcot) would serve the Turcot village. Onwards to the west, under Spaghetti Junction. There could be another station there ( Turcot Ouest), to serve the eventual park due to be set there. Here, we have two choices; either we go straight, only stopping at Cavendish and St-Pierre (in yellow on the map), or we go through Ville Émard and Lasalle, along the old CPR “snowshoe track“ (in red on the map). So, it would go along Irwin street to Angrignon station, which will logically would have a stop, then through the park, back towards the old CPR track, all the way to Lasalle yard with stops at Shevchenko & Newman. Turning north, and going over the CPR line, with a stop at the Canal train station, and then turning west onto the old CNR/MTC right-of-way, all the way to Dorval via Lachine with three stops in Lachine ( 5th, 32nd & 55th), and finishing at the current Dorval station. It could be connected to the Aéropet station, if we can hope that there will be no foolish decision to use different rolling stocks, no matter how flawed it may be. There. Let the REM madness flow through our lymph nodes… Zoomable source link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Apologies if this is common knowledge: are the REM trains built/being built completely in France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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