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1 hour ago, dbdb said:

Mixed messages coming from NewLeaf.  In an interview, Jim Young claims it's because that's the slow time for leisure travel and they don't want to fly aircraft with only 30 passengers.  See the video here:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2945851/newleaf-temporarily-suspends-flights-out-of-regina-and-saskatoon/

 

I haven't heard them adding any new routes or increasing service elsewhere so I'm inclined not to take Mr. Young's reasoning in that interview for what its worth.  Doesn't seem to make any sense - any time an airplane is sitting on the ground, its not making money nor does it have the potential to make money.

Interesting point though, he mentioned they didn't want to fly planes with only 30 people onboard, which I can understand - but it makes one wonder if the public is only willing to fly NewLeaf up to a certain dollar value - in other words, once the cheap tickets are sold out, they'd rather fly WS or AC.  I wonder what the loads on other flights are like.

I agree, very mixed messages and the economist has a very valid point - it can potentially hurt their credibility - but I'm sure many will be willing to risk booking if the price is right - but if thats enough to generate a profit - only time will tell.

 

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Doesn't seem to make any sense - any time an airplane is sitting on the ground, its not making money nor does it have the potential to make money.

It can make sense for NewLeaf since they are effectively chartering it's likely they don't have a fixed cost whether they fly or not.  In contrast, a conventional airline may be paying a lease or have capital investment in their aircraft.  In between, you get an airline like Delta with a lot of older aircraft that don't cost much to have around but provide additional capacity when needed.

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35 minutes ago, dbdb said:

It can make sense for NewLeaf since they are effectively chartering it's likely they don't have a fixed cost whether they fly or not.  In contrast, a conventional airline may be paying a lease or have capital investment in their aircraft.  In between, you get an airline like Delta with a lot of older aircraft that don't cost much to have around but provide additional capacity when needed.

I get that - all depends on the contract they have.  If one is to believe the story that they don't have the aircraft available, one would tend to believe that they aren't planning far enough into the future (which is not that far ahead in the airline industry LOL) to assure they have enough capacity - or that their loads haven't been as strong as they'd hoped - or that their bookings for the next months aren't as strong as they'd hoped which, being more or less a ticket broker, makes sense but can backfire on them.  Guess we'll have to see.

I'd love to see what kind of contracts they have with the carriers.

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NewLeaf will offer bus service from Surrey,BC  (SRY) to Abbottsford Airport (YXX) and from Abbottsford Airport (YXX) to Surrey, BC (SRY).

 

 

 

Busses will pick up in Surrey at the corner of University Blvd & 102 Ave (in front of Blends Coffee Shop) dropping off in front of the abbotsford airport.

 

 

 

Busses leaving the Abbotsford airport will depart from directly infront of the terminal arriving at the corner of University Blvd & 102 Ave (in front of Blends Coffee Shop).

 

 

 

To purchase a ticket please book on line at http://gonewleaf.ca/

 

 

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On 11/24/2016 at 1:42 PM, TheAverageJoe said:

NewLeaf will offer bus service from Surrey,BC  (SRY) to Abbottsford Airport (YXX) and from Abbottsford Airport (YXX) to Surrey, BC (SRY).

Busses will pick up in Surrey at the corner of University Blvd & 102 Ave (in front of Blends Coffee Shop) dropping off in front of the abbotsford airport.

Busses leaving the Abbotsford airport will depart from directly infront of the terminal arriving at the corner of University Blvd & 102 Ave (in front of Blends Coffee Shop).

To purchase a ticket please book on line at http://gonewleaf.ca/

And that service disappeared pretty quickly.

NewLeaf is running daily flights for the Christmas season.  We'll see how they do. 

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http://globalnews.ca/news/3133663/ultra-low-fare-travel-company-newleaf-launches-flights-from-yyc-saturday/

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‘Ultra low fare’ travel company NewLeaf launches flights from YYC Saturday

The Winnipeg-based low-cost air travel company NewLeaf officially started flying out of Calgary Saturday.

The first flight, with airline partner Flair, took off to Hamilton at 2 p.m. from YYC Calgary International Airport.

They’re offering 44 flights to and from Calgary over a three-week holiday period as a testing ground in the domestic market.

The airline says it will offer prices as low as $49 one-way (taxes and fees included) during their “no holiday blackout travel sale” to places such as Abbotsford, Hamilton and Moncton.

In mid-January, NewLeaf will also start flights going to Mesa-Phoenix until the end of April.

The spring and summer schedule will be announced in early January and the airline said they “hope to have Calgary permanently on the schedule.”

READ MORE: Discount airline NewLeaf launches at Edmonton International Airport

NewLeaf is a private Canadian travel company that’s been in operation for five months.

NewLeaf is able to keep costs low by only changing the bare minimum for a seat on a plane.

A carry-on bag can cost anywhere from $31.50 if you pay online ahead of time, up to $90 at the gate.

READ MORE: First NewLeaf flight lands in Saskatoon

Flair is a Canadian airline based in Kelowna, Calgary and Hamilton, that’s been in business since 2003.

 

 

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Canadian low-cost carrier Newleaf on Tuesday (03JAN17) announced the cancellation of planned Phoenix Mesa service, 2.5 weeks prior to service launch. The carrier in November 2016 announced it would operate service from both Calgary and Edmonton, with Boeing 737 aircraft.

Previously planned schedule as follow. 

eff 19JAN17 Calgary – Phoenix Mesa 3 weekly
F8250 YYC0930 – 1132AZA 737 457
F8251 AZA1235 – 1645YYC 737 457

eff 21JAN17 Edmonton – Phoenix Mesa 1 weekly
F8252 YEG0930 – 1145AZA 737 6
F8253 AZA1300 – 1730YEG 737 6

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270727/newleaf-cancels-phoenix-mesa-launch-in-jan-2017/

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Canadian low-cost carrier Newleaf has cancelled planned service to the US later this month, as the airline cancelled Hamilton – Melbourne FL service. This route was previously scheduled to take off on 15JAN17. Previously reported, the airline also cancelled planned service to Phoenix Mesa.

Previously planned Melbourne FL schedule as follow.

F8256 YHM0800 – 1044MLB 737 7
F8257 MLB1144 – 1447YHM 737 7

 

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270746/newleaf-cancels-planned-melbourne-fl-launch-in-jan-2017/

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Newleaf outlines summer 2017 operations

 

m Canadian low-cost carrier Newleaf earlier this week released planned summer schedule, effective from 01MAY17. Planned service changes, including expanded frequencies on key markets, as follow.

Abbotsford – Edmonton 3 weekly (Day 247; 5 weekly Day x34 from 04JUN17)
Abbotsford – Winnipeg Increase from 3 to 6 weekly (Day x2) 
Edmonton – Hamilton 3 weekly (Day 157; 5 weekly Day x23 from 04JUN17)
Edmonton – Winnipeg 2 weekly (Day 27; 3 weekly Day 157 from 04JUN17)
Hamilton – Halifax 3 weekly (Day 157; 5 weekly Day x23 from 04JUN17)
Hamilton – Winnipeg 6 weekly (Day x2) 

The airline will operate last flight on following market:
Edmonton – Kelowna 27APR17
Hamilton – Moncton 28APR17  

 

2017 operations

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Flair Airlines has purchased NewLeaf.

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Flair Airlines purchase of NewLeaf could lead to cheaper flights, better service for Canadian travellers

Flair Airlines has bought deep discount flight seller NewLeaf Travel Company in a move one analyst says will lead to greater competition and lower airfares for Canadian travellers, at least initially.

"I think it's a great move, particularly for the travelling public," said Ken Beleshko, of Avacon Aviation and Aerospace consulting.

Kelowna, B.C.-based Flair said in a release Wednesday that it has bought NewLeaf Travel Company's assets, including its "marketing, selling and distribution engine." The purchase means Flair Air immediately moves from a charter company to a full-fledged, scheduled airline with its own reservation department, airport passenger services facilities, and full control over the operations side of the business.

Both Flair and NewLeaf have been linked since NewLeaf launched last summer, offering flights for as little as $59 one way between Canadian cities such as Abbotsford, Halifax, Edmonton, Hamilton and Winnipeg.

The company has completed more than 2,200 such flights and moved more than a quarter of a million passengers in the process.

Although it marketed itself as an airline, NewLeaf was just a ticket seller, while Flair Airlines owned the planes and operated the flights.

"Expansion is planned for new destinations beginning this year, plus the fall and winter domestic schedule will be released shortly," Flair said in a release.

It also said the acquisition of NewLeaf establishes it "as Canada's third national airline, providing service coast to coast."

That may be overreaching a bit considering Flair has just five Boeing 737-400s, all with relatively limited range. 

The company has also been at the centre of controversy recently as one of the operators involved in "The Mexican Game". 

A CBC News investigation discovered Air Transat directed Flair — and Flair agreed — to mislead aviation authorities and passengers about unscheduled stops on flights from Mexico.  Flair was operating those flights on behalf of Air Transat, but its aircraft could not make it all the way back to Canada in some cases without stopping to refuel. 

Passengers on those flights also complained about Flair's aircraft, saying the planes — which range in age from 24 to 27 years old — were dirty, had rickety seats, lacked modern amenities such as seat-back entertainment, and even the toilets malfunctioned.  

'Third national airline or not, the mere presence of Flair Air as a full-fledged airline will mean more available flights and lower prices, according to Beleshko.

"If they're going to make this a successful venture, they're going to have to offer frequent service between major city pairings such as Vancouver-Toronto, Edmonton-Calgary, Montreal-Toronto and so forth to tap into that lucrative market."

Beleshko also expects Flair to attempt to compete with both WestJet and Air Canada on regional short-haul service between cities like Winnipeg and Saskatoon.

That will prompt both WestJet and Air Canada to lower their prices and offer more flights and more amenities, he says.

"You can rest assured that the two major airline carriers, Air Canada and Westjet, are going to be very protective of their market share and they will go head to head with Flair or any other deep discount carrier that wants to enter the market."

Canada's aviation history is littered with airlines that either went out of business or failed to get off the ground. Flair's owners actually tried this once before with Greyhound Air.

"And it was a short-lived proposition because they weren't getting the ridership and it was a losing proposition financially." said Beleshko, adding Flair/NewLeaf will face many of the same challenges.

"I would suggest that unless they [Flair] have very deep pockets and investors that are willing and have staying power. It's going to be a tough haul."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/newleaf-flair-airlines-air-canada-westjet-1.4149722

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Flair has been doing the daily charter flights for Shell up to their aerodrome for a few years now, seeing that CNRL just bought the Albian project (including the aerodrome) off of Shell and CNRL uses Canadian North for their projects - I'm wondering if Flair will be keeping this contract or if that'll free up those birds a bit more.

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