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6 hours ago, Eren Jaeger said:

I guess Arrow will lose the entire fleet of artics due to the construction on Finch.

 

 

From the standpoint, Mount Dennis would get Arrow’s 36xx or Malvern 34/35xx like about 50-60 each. LFS HEVs would perform well on the 427.

Speaking of Malvern, I would assume they would keep 20 Artics and 50-60 LFS HEVs. Around 10xx-12xx and 25 15/16xx might migrate over from Mount Dennis to Malvern to replace both the LFSA and LFS HEVs.

No options for Birchmount, Queensway, Comstock, or Wilson just yet. I don’t know if McNicoll would receive any Orion VIIs of any type but I would not assume they’ll take in the 79xxs (both revenue and non-revenue, ie the Event Support buses) but they have one fishbowl and TTC1. It’s not possible to have McNicoll solely an LFS garage like Birchmount currently is. They have not returned any Orion VII NG diesel buses since they went to Wilson for VISION installation only to be replaced by Arrow’s older LFS fleet. 

And also with the 939 Finch Express and 953 Steeles Express moving from Malvern to McNicoll, Malvern would only need about 20 artics for the 985 Sheppard East Express  and the remaining would go to McNicoll and the 36 Finch West would lose their artics to Mount Dennis because of the construction on Finch leaving them with enough artics for the 935 Jane Express and 927 Hwy 27 Rocket

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5 hours ago, Young said:

And also with the 939 Finch Express and 953 Steeles Express moving from Malvern to McNicoll, Malvern would only need about 20 artics for the 985 Sheppard East Express  and the remaining would go to McNicoll and the 36 Finch West would lose their artics to Mount Dennis because of the construction on Finch leaving them with enough artics for the 935 Jane Express and 927 Hwy 27 Rocket

Also, remember that Malvern would be sending only 23 artics to McNicoll and that is only enough to cover the 953 so if they decide to remove artics from the 36, then some of Arrow's artics would need to move to McNicoll so that the 939 can run with some artics while the rest of the Arrow's artics would move to MtD to be used on the 927 if the 927 moves there. If the 927 stays at Arrow, then Arrow would keep some of their artics and send some of them to McNicoll for the 939. That might mean that the 927 and 939 won't be fully artic but they would both still see some artic service.

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8 hours ago, Shemar said:

Also, remember that Malvern would be sending only 23 artics to McNicoll and that is only enough to cover the 953 so if they decide to remove artics from the 36, then some of Arrow's artics would need to move to McNicoll so that the 939 can run with some artics while the rest of the Arrow's artics would move to MtD to be used on the 927 if the 927 moves there. If the 927 stays at Arrow, then Arrow would keep some of their artics and send some of them to McNicoll for the 939. That might mean that the 927 and 939 won't be fully artic but they would both still see some artic service.

TTC was suppose to procure 68 artics to fill in the gap. The 939 would need 40-50 artics to operate in the morning, less if the 939C would stick to standard buses. I don't think the 939 would be converted in the near future.

The 927 only needs around 14 which is totally doable.

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9 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

TTC was suppose to procure 68 artics to fill in the gap. The 939 would need 40-50 artics to operate in the morning, less if the 939C would stick to standard buses. I don't think the 939 would be converted in the near future.

The 927 only needs around 14 which is totally doable.

Makes sense. There are several routes that can benefit from having artics. It will be interesting to see how many additional artics the TTC orders in the future because wasn't MtD supposed to eventually become a fully artic division?

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1 hour ago, Shemar said:

Makes sense. There are several routes that can benefit from having artics. It will be interesting to see how many additional artics the TTC orders in the future because wasn't MtD supposed to eventually become a fully artic division?

They opened with 6 artic hoists which is double the amount at Arrow, Wilson or Malvern. The rest are still 40 ft. I'm not sure if anything has changed, perhaps others can chime in. 

So they wouldn't be able to operate artics only with less than half the hoist capacity. Nor does all routes need artics at all times period. 

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Malvern now has four artic hoists, one of the pits was filled in. Twelve 40 foot only hoists.  Wireless portables can be brought in if need be, all that’s needed is the floor space and the overhead clearance.

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It’s probably common knowledge, but the artic hoists are capable of lifting a forty footer just as easily with the A post disabled.

 

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28 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Fixed and updated.

Anyone going to complain about handmedowns at Bmount? ?

Not really. And I still do not get the point why Birchmount has not received some of the 81xxs back since they have to cover for the 83xxs in 2018 given the fleet was rebuilt and refitted with VISION. Only four divisions are left with the majority of Orion VII buses and the three have Nova LFS majority.

Even with McNicoll, the opening would break the trend of the TTC’s newest garage receiving buses more than 10 years old. Comstock opened in 2002 with GM New Looks and Classics (96 Vs and D40LFs were newer) as well as Mount Dennis in 2008 with GM New Looks and 91 Vs (the 12/15xxs were also newer too). This is why the OGs and NGs are more than 10 years old and McNicoll can’t even touch them at all because it doesn’t make sense to have the garage maintaining buses with one maker like Birchmount and Comstock has now (the latter has ten BYD buses in service).

Chances are if McNicoll doesn’t operate Orion VIIs at all, this will be the end of Orion buses on route 39 FINCH EAST, who has been using Orions since 1987 dating to the Orion III. 

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2 hours ago, Eren Jaeger said:

Not really. And I still do not get the point why Birchmount has not received some of the 81xxs back since they have to cover for the 83xxs in 2018 given the fleet was rebuilt and refitted with VISION. Only four divisions are left with the majority of Orion VII buses and the three have Nova LFS majority.

Even with McNicoll, the opening would break the trend of the TTC’s newest garage receiving buses more than 10 years old. Comstock opened in 2002 with GM New Looks and Classics (96 Vs and D40LFs were newer) as well as Mount Dennis in 2008 with GM New Looks and 91 Vs (the 12/15xxs were also newer too). This is why the OGs and NGs are more than 10 years old and McNicoll can’t even touch them at all because it doesn’t make sense to have the garage maintaining buses with one maker like Birchmount and Comstock has now (the latter has ten BYD buses in service).

Chances are if McNicoll doesn’t operate Orion VIIs at all, this will be the end of Orion buses on route 39 FINCH EAST, who has been using Orions since 1987 dating to the Orion III. 

Cause Bmount don't need the 8100s. Wilson lost all the 1700s due to retirement. They don't need to keep a separate spare parts at Bmount for 50 or so buses. Wilson would likely just have 8100s, 8300s and a few artics when McNicoll opens. Most if not all the NG hybrids would end up at Malvern.

Bmount would stay Novas only. Seems like they'll loose all the 3100s too.

The reason why Comstock and MtD got the oldest buses was they were easier to maintain. They don't want to give the new mechanics a hard time. The NG Hybrids are problematic and are prone to break down. MtD had a hard time with them when the buses were brand new so why won't history repeat themselves this time? The Novas are much more reliable than those NGs.

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