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TTC NovaBus LFS Movement List

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This thread would be used to track new vehicles and movements of the NovaBus LFS buses (both 40' and artics). New arrivals that has not been in service are in parentheses. E.g. (8544)
 
Arrow Road Birchmount Eglinton Malvern Mount Dennis Queensway Wilson
 
Standard 40' Clean Diesel buses:
 
3100-3369: 3100-3369
8400-8504: 8400-8405, 8406, 8407-8427, 8428-8436, 8437-8504
8510-8572, 8574-8617*: 8510-8572, 8574-8604, 8605-8617
8620-8716: 8620-8716
8720-8964: 8720-8930, 8931-8964
9200-9239: 9200-9239

 

Standard 40' HEV buses:

3400-3454: 3400, (3401), 3402, 3403, (3404), 3405-3407, (3408, 3409), 3410-3412, (3413)3414, (3415), 3416-3418, (3419), 3420-3427, (3428), 3429-3431, (3432), 3433, 3434, (3435), 3436, 3437, (3438, 3439), 3440, (3441), 3442, (3443), 3444-3446, (3447), 3448, 3449, (3450, 3451, 3452, 3453), 3454
3455-3569: (3455-3569) Delivery in progress
3570-3654: Awaiting Delivery. Estimated Q4 2019


 
Articulated 60' Clean Diesel buses:
 
9000-9002, 9004-9026**9000-9002, 9004-9022, 9023-9026
9027-91529027-9056, 9057-9099, 9100-9104, 9105-9135, 9136-9152


*8573: retired due to a major collision
**9003: on hold due to a major collision, awaiting fate 


Last updated: February 5, 2018

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Looks like 8445 and 8448 are in service.

Yeah, they're both in service on the 60. Somehow with the disastrous headway on the 60B/D branches (e.g. 35+ minutes gaps), 8445 was swap to a different run that is still operating now at 9pm. (Normally new buses only do rush hour in case something goes wrong with the bus).

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We're are 8455-8505 going to go when the are delivered?

mid-late October, but right now the LFS's are coming faster than the Schedule says so we'll see

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2nd 1/2 of order was originally slated for Birchmount but that was stated just before 8400 arrived.

My vote is mainly to Birchmount or Eglinton, but I guess we will see soon since the first half is almost done being delivered.

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My vote is mainly to Birchmount or Eglinton, but I guess we will see soon since the first half is almost done being delivered.

I don't think Eglinton will get them. If Eglinton can get them, MtD and Malvern can too.

The likely scenarios are:

1. Arrow gets all 105 LFSes, push hybrids to Wilson. Wilson pushes some more 8100s to Bmount. (I think this is the simplest scenario, no additional training required for ops and mechs)

2. Arrow gets the first 55, push some hybrids to Wilson, Bmount gets the rest and pushes all the 8100s to Wilson

3. Arrow gets 55 of them, Wilson gets the rest pushing more 8100s to Bmount.

If Eglinton gets 50 of them, 50 S50s will be pushed to Bmount. Then the remaining 30 8100s at Bmoutn goes back to Wilson. I really don't think this will happen.

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If Malvern were to get them possibly a huge amount of the 1700s and 1800s would go to Wilson to retire those 9400s and probably push out some 8100s?

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If Malvern were to get them possibly a huge amount of the 1700s and 1800s would go to Wilson to retire those 9400s and probably push out some 8100s?

Highly doubt that's going to happen. If it does ever happen, then probably 50 hybrids will move to Wilson. MtD and Malvern are stuck with hybrids. They don't have hybrid restricted routes unlike Arrow and Wilson. TTC also plans for the future, there's no point to move them to a garage just to move them again the next year.

Arrow has the 191 that requires it to maintain 50-70 diesels. When Arrow had 25 diesels, they had trouble keeping the 191 diesel only.

Wilson have routes that operate a single bus, those are like restricted to diesels in case it breaks down and have no buses on the route. The 7 and 29 are actually good hybrid routes but they get artics instead.

Remember, next year all the first gen hybrids will go for overhaul. We don't know how much buses will be out of service at time time. I estimated about 50 hybrids might be at Hillcrest at a time. The hybrid overhaul will continue for the next few years. I predict the TTC will just push more hybrids from Arrow to Malvern and MtD. If the hybrids are breaking down more often, MtD and Malvern will loose more routes like how Arrow lost the 37 and Malvern lost the 190.

On top of that, TTC will officially increase the spare ratio to 16% in late 2016. I think they'll just stockpile hybrids at MtD and Malvern on the expense of Arrow. At that time I see Arrow maintain at least 100 LFSes as they will loose all the 7900s to Queensway. It might actually make sense at that time to move the 8100s back to Wilson to increase their spare ratio. Move more S50s to Eglinton and have Bmount get most of the 2016 order of 108 LFSes.

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I was told Malvern lost 190 due to the arrival of artics not with the issues associate with the hybrids. Also I highly doubt Eglinton will get any Nova until it starts to retire Orion 7.

Either way, I think they needed to relief Malvern.

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4 new Novas in service:

8455 - 60

8456 - 96

8457 - 60

8458 - 46 The GPS is broken on this bus. It untrackable on Transsee but indeed on the 46 run 8.

I'm guessing delivery could be in the 8460s now.

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