MTA/NYCT Overhaul

[Big CJ]

Because there were so many buses part of the MTA, we need to organize the entire roster based on the years they were acquired. It's so difficult to go through a roster that big.

For example, all buses acquired between 1980-1989 will have the Grummans, GMC and TMC RTS buses, Blitz Fishbowls, and MC-8s. I'll begin work on it by doing the 1960s era buses first. As more buses are retired from the MTA, it's now or never.

[ASBC]

It's also important to have pictures for the types of buses avaiable. If anybody has any, send them to me of give me permission to use them.

[Big CJ]

Once everything is in order, we can then worry about pictures.

[vivablue5215]

IMO you can do it for the retired roster, but the active roster seems quite good to me.

[Articulated]

Just a suggestion that might help the organization/readability:

Would it be a better idea to organize the page by year built instead of year acquired? It might make it easier to look for certain buses when they're grouped by type that way. For example, if I'm looking for a Classic or RTS I'd naturally tend to look in the 1980s or 1990s sections, while a bunch that were built in that era are actually in the bottom of the 2000s because they were taken over from private operators near the end of their lives.

It's a good idea to organize the retired roster by year with so many bus purchases and fleet number overlaps because of NYC's humongous fleet, but I agree with vivablue5215 in that the active roster can stay organized by fleet number as it is now.

[Big CJ]

IMO you can do it for the retired roster, but the active roster seems quite good to me.

Mostly the retired roster is what I should of put for the title of this thread. This thread mostly centers around that and not the active roster. The active roster is fine just the way it is.

Just a suggestion that might help the organization/readability:

Would it be a better idea to organize the page by year built instead of year acquired? It might make it easier to look for certain buses when they're grouped by type that way. For example, if I'm looking for a Classic or RTS I'd naturally tend to look in the 1980s or 1990s sections, while a bunch that were built in that era are actually in the bottom of the 2000s because they were taken over from private operators near the end of their lives.

It's a good idea to organize the retired roster by year with so many bus purchases and fleet number overlaps because of NYC's humongous fleet, but I agree with vivablue5215 in that the active roster can stay organized by fleet number as it is now.

I understand, but the buses from the private bus lines weren't acquired until the mid 2000s and many were already nearing the end of their lives anyway. Grouping them in the period when they were acquired, rather then by the year they were built makes better sense, since they were never owned by the MTA before 2005.

That's just my two cents on that. You can add the private bus lines' buses by year if you want too. Tomorrow, I'll add the 1970s era buses to the roster, then figure out the numbers for the Blitz rebuilds.

[Big CJ]

Okay everyone, here is the biggest challenge there is. Adding New York City's entire bus fleet, including leased buses, used buses, buses rebuilt, and renumbered buses. This is such a long list that it would take a group effort to add all of that.

http://www.utahrails.net/ajkristopans/NYCTA.txt

[andrethebusman]

New York MTA has by far the biggest bus fleet in the western hemisphere. There are in fact three subsidiary operating entities - New York City Transit Authority, Manhattan & Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority, and MTA Bus Company. This is basically because each has a different union - NYCTA has Transport Workers, MABSTOA Teamsters (I think) and MTAB is Amalgamated. Each has different work rules and different practices. For a long time NYCTA employee passes were not good on MABSTOA and vice versa. For instance, on MABSTOA you may never pass your leader unless he is broke down, regardless of how late he is, as MABSTOA buses do not display run numbers. Also, street supervision is not allowed to short turn a MABSTOA bus once it has left the terminal, which results in pretty terrible gaps in lower Manhattan about 7-8pm as the supervisors (dispatchers) at the north ends of Avenue lines short three or four in a row leaving SB. Also, drivers report to "drivers rooms" which are rented storefronts at the relief points instead of to the garage if they start by making a street relief. None of this applies to NYCTA, which basically runs like the CTA. Years ago, NYCTA and MABSTOA had separate rosters, identified on the bus as to whom they "belonged" to, but this distinction ended about 1984. MTA Bus, however, still has its own identifiable fleet, still marked MTA Bus.

[Oc4526]

Sorry if wrong thread


It seems the MTA / Metro North is overhauling their GP35's for another 20 yrs of reliable service.

http://web.mta.info/mnr/html/GP35_locomotives.html