JWC Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 4001 is in the back of Russell Yard with its pole down. Maybe this one is to be kept or sent Halton Railway Museum. 4030 is in front of it pole down as well. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4094 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, JWC said: 4001 is in the back of Russell Yard with its pole down. Maybe this one is to be kept or sent Halton Railway Museum. 4030 is in front of it pole down as well. Both of those cars have particpated in Beaches Easter Parades. 4001 as far as I know will likely be preserved Link to post Share on other sites
PCC Guy Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 4051 pushed 4011 into the workshop this evening. I didn't see 4011 missing any parts, but the fact that it couldn't move under its own power is concerning. 4002 is back at Russell, parked on one of the dead tracks behind 4079. Perhaps one of the last times she will be together with sisters 4001 and 4003 before they feast on her bones.. err, parts. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites
John Oke Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 hours ago, JWC said: 4001 is in the back of Russell Yard with its pole down. Maybe this one is to be kept or sent Halton Railway Museum. 4030 is in front of it pole down as well. Or it could be going to San Francisco Link to post Share on other sites
PCC Guy Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Why San Francisco? Has MUNI expressed any interest in any of our CLRVs? I know that they have a big historical collection over there, but the majority of those cars were PCCs, which San Francisco had previous experience with. Doesn't mean they'll be interested in picking up every derelict tram fleet on the continent. Anecdotally, I've heard that they were not terribly pleased with the third hand A14 cars they acquired in the 1970s, and have no interest in further ex-TTC equipment as a result. However, I did not hear that from Adam, so it's possible that that's foamer rumour and innuendo. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4002 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 https://beta.cp24.com/news/2019/10/8/1_4629942.html Someone got hit getting off a streetcar near Bay and College today. I saw it on the news and didn’t need to look for a number since the paint job gave it away. She was getting off 4178 on its first day on the 506. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
John Oke Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: , I did not hear that from Adam, so it's possible that that's foamer rumour and innuendo. HR told me this on the ALRV farwell trip. Link to post Share on other sites
PCC Guy Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 No offence, but I don't exactly think that TTC HR is a prime source for things going on fleet wise, as that's not their area of focus. People much closer to the operational side of things have made various claims about individual series of Orion VIIs retiring, and, going further back, about the H5s being moved down to the BD line in 2010ish to replace the H4s. I acknowledge that there's the possibility of some heritage operation somewhere picking up a CLRV (like a trolley museum), but I don't know why it would be San Francisco. All of the cars they picked up second hand so many years ago weren't actually a departure from what they had known from the decades before, and after 70 odd years of a tradition I would hope they have built up a significant parts supply and pool of knowledgeable workers. Acquiring CLRVs would require them to train personnel and create a parts inventory for a whole new group of cars, and one that would presumably be much smaller than their PCC collection. And to what end? Are the CLRVs anywhere close to being as much of a tourist attraction as a group of PCCs, all painted up to represent the liveries of various operators, are? Would they pay for themselves and justify the expense? I don't have the answer to these questions, but I'm skeptical. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4094 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 4195 derailed at Spadina and King eariler causing delays. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Lubinski Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 8 hours ago, PCC Guy said: No offence, but I don't exactly think that TTC HR is a prime source for things going on fleet wise, as that's not their area of focus. People much closer to the operational side of things have made various claims about individual series of Orion VIIs retiring, and, going further back, about the H5s being moved down to the BD line in 2010ish to replace the H4s. I acknowledge that there's the possibility of some heritage operation somewhere picking up a CLRV (like a trolley museum), but I don't know why it would be San Francisco. All of the cars they picked up second hand so many years ago weren't actually a departure from what they had known from the decades before, and after 70 odd years of a tradition I would hope they have built up a significant parts supply and pool of knowledgeable workers. Acquiring CLRVs would require them to train personnel and create a parts inventory for a whole new group of cars, and one that would presumably be much smaller than their PCC collection. And to what end? Are the CLRVs anywhere close to being as much of a tourist attraction as a group of PCCs, all painted up to represent the liveries of various operators, are? Would they pay for themselves and justify the expense? I don't have the answer to these questions, but I'm skeptical. They didn't want to keep a hometown Boeing car so I don't think they'd want a CLRV of similar vintage. Apparently the focus is on pre-1954 cars for the historic fleet. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4002 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 All 6 remaining ALRVs at Russell are tracking again. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
dowlingm Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 19 hours ago, CLRV4002 said: https://beta.cp24.com/news/2019/10/8/1_4629942.html Someone got hit getting off a streetcar near Bay and College today. I saw it on the news and didn’t need to look for a number since the paint job gave it away. She was getting off 4178 on its first day on the 506. Suburban councillors will claim 4178's paint job amounts to disruptive pattern material and so drivers can't see the car somehow. Link to post Share on other sites
splendidwizardplayer Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, dowlingm said: Suburban councillors will claim 4178's paint job amounts to disruptive pattern material and so drivers can't see the car somehow. I the middle of the night it makes sense because the back is black but in the middle of the day that makes no sense drivers can't see the big black thing in the middle of street, that makes no sense Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4002 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, dowlingm said: Suburban councillors will claim 4178's paint job amounts to disruptive pattern material and so drivers can't see the car somehow. I often wonder how it works when the PCC cars go out on occasion in service, like last September on Queen. Considering a huge number of drivers probably didn’t live here, didn’t drive yet or weren’t even alive when the PCC cars were still in regular service, do they even know it’s a streetcar? I’m not sure if most people can even tell considering so many people drive past open doors on regular streetcars that have been on the road for 40 years, let alone vehicles that they’ve never seen before. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
2044 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 58 minutes ago, splendidwizardplayer said: I the middle of the night it makes sense because the back is black but in the middle of the day that makes no sense drivers can't see the big black thing in the middle of street, that makes no sense Doesn’t make sense any time of day. You don’t notice the various lights, reflectors and huge moving mass with windows lit up? You are a terrible driver. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Doppelkupplung Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 That in addition to the fact that this isn’t the first time streetcars have had darker shades of adwraps. It’s a friggin train running down the middle of the street. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ed T. Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, CLRV4002 said: I often wonder how it works when the PCC cars go out on occasion in service, like last September on Queen. Considering a huge number of drivers probably didn’t live here, didn’t drive yet or weren’t even alive when the PCC cars were still in regular service, do they even know it’s a streetcar? I’m not sure if most people can even tell considering so many people drive past open doors on regular streetcars that have been on the road for 40 years, let alone vehicles that they’ve never seen before. Would-be riders waiting for a streetcar try to board PCCs or even Witts that pause at a regular stop while on charter. Obviously transit riders can recognize a streetcar when they see one. Can we assume car drivers are as knowledgeable? Link to post Share on other sites
leylandvictory2 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, splendidwizardplayer said: I the middle of the night it makes sense because the back is black but in the middle of the day that makes no sense drivers can't see the big black thing in the middle of street, that makes no sense based on your logic, people shouldn't park their vehicles on the street especially darker vehicles. I guess some people don't use headlights at night. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Wayside Observer Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4048 was on Bathurst this morning. I think I saw 4094 as well but am not 100% sure on the fleet number. And three, not one, not two, three vehicles in a row illegally making right turns on red against the sign prohibiting that at the bottom of Fort York Blvd. on to Lakeshore which is one example why it’s difficult to read off fleet numbers when having to contend with some of the other drivers out there. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4094 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 16 hours ago, CLRV4002 said: I often wonder how it works when the PCC cars go out on occasion in service, like last September on Queen. Considering a huge number of drivers probably didn’t live here, didn’t drive yet or weren’t even alive when the PCC cars were still in regular service, do they even know it’s a streetcar? I’m not sure if most people can even tell considering so many people drive past open doors on regular streetcars that have been on the road for 40 years, let alone vehicles that they’ve never seen before. The PCC cars have such a nostalgia appeal that I feel and would suspect that most people would recognize and be able to confirm it's existence as a streetcar. 16 hours ago, CLRV4002 said: I often wonder how it works when the PCC cars go out on occasion in service, like last September on Queen. Considering a huge number of drivers probably didn’t live here, didn’t drive yet or weren’t even alive when the PCC cars were still in regular service, do they even know it’s a streetcar? I’m not sure if most people can even tell considering so many people drive past open doors on regular streetcars that have been on the road for 40 years, let alone vehicles that they’ve never seen before. The PCC cars have such a nostalgia appeal that I feel and would suspect that most people would recognize and be able to confirm it's existence as a streetcar. Link to post Share on other sites
leylandvictory2 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 22 hours ago, Wayside Observer said: 4048 was on Bathurst this morning. I think I saw 4094 as well but am not 100% sure on the fleet number. And three, not one, not two, three vehicles in a row illegally making right turns on red against the sign prohibiting that at the bottom of Fort York Blvd. on to Lakeshore which is one example why it’s difficult to read off fleet numbers when having to contend with some of the other drivers out there. if you have internet on your cell phone, you can use transee to figure out the fleet number. That's what I use when I see a streetcar with a wrap from a far distance. Link to post Share on other sites
HB_1024 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, leylandvictory2 said: if you have internet on your cell phone, you can use transee to figure out the fleet number. Not while you're driving. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
dowlingm Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/9/2019 at 3:40 PM, splendidwizardplayer said: I the middle of the night it makes sense because the back is black but in the middle of the day that makes no sense drivers can't see the big black thing in the middle of street, that makes no sense It was sarcasm my dude. But given the statements some of these guys make, you think it has to make sense to those guys who can’t stand spend on streetcars? (Or public art for that matter) Link to post Share on other sites
CLRV4002 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, dowlingm said: It was sarcasm my dude. But given the statements some of these guys make, you think it has to make sense to those guys who can’t stand spend on streetcars? (Or public art for that matter) *cough Rick Leary *cough Speaking of, does anyone know if they plan to run 4178 as part of the CLRV trippers on Carlton or will they continue to have it in regular service? Link to post Share on other sites
FabianColeyLOVESBUSES Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think its safe to say that 4011 is retired. It was most likely pushed inside the shop at Russell for decommissioning on Tuesday. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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