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About 2 weeks ago, I reported 4230 as being at Exhibition Loop and returned to Russell potentially being towed by 4170. 

On Steve Munro’s post about the last board meeting, someone commented that 4230 was used as an RAD streetcar on Bathurst a few weeks back but had to be towed by a CLRV. I believe this to be true since it did appear to return to Russell towed by 4170. I’m not sure who reported it on the post or how they knew it was an RAD car but either way, it likely suffered a breakdown of some kind. 

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In the dead yard on 21 track, 4198 has been stripped, coupled to a damaged 4020 that was hit on the curb side at the front door. The damage bent the left side of the door pretty good that it’s definitely done. On 20 track, 4004, 4111, 4065 & 4150all lay in different states of decommissioning as well. 4131 & 4051 appear to be mules stacked up on the back side of 20 track

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2 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

In the dead yard on 21 track, 4198 has been stripped, coupled to a damaged 4020 that was hit on the curb side at the front door. The damage bent the left side of the door pretty good that it’s definitely done. On 20 track, 4004, 4111, 4065 & 4150all lay in different states of decommissioning as well. 4131 & 4051 appear to be mules stacked up on the back side of 20 track

Was 4094 anywhere to be seen? 

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4094 is on 19 track behind the ALRVs. The car is turned off (reason for no ‘tracking’ data)

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5 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

In the dead yard on 21 track, 4198 has been stripped, coupled to a damaged 4020 that was hit on the curb side at the front door. The damage bent the left side of the door pretty good that it’s definitely done. On 20 track, 4004, 4111, 4065 & 4150all lay in different states of decommissioning as well. 4131 & 4051 appear to be mules stacked up on the back side of 20 track

Any damage visible on 4198? Last photo sent to me last week it was still powered up and running. 4051 has crates of various parts in it apparently.

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39 minutes ago, Robert Lubinski said:

Any damage visible on 4198? Last photo sent to me last week it was still powered up and running. 4051 has crates of various parts in it apparently.

4198 has all the headlights and front track lights missing. Clear signs that it’s been laid to rest

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2 minutes ago, bus_7246 said:

4198 has all the headlights and front track lights missing. Clear signs that it’s been laid to rest

That's sad I saw it at Bathurst station in service on the 511 just last week. 

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A few photos from today on 506. I was supposed to ride on 4132, but it was taken out of service due to a mechanical issue. I ended up riding on 4048 4119 on 506, and 4170 on 511.

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37 minutes ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

A few photos from today on 506. I was supposed to ride on 4132, but it was taken out of service due to a mechanical issue. I ended up riding on 4048 4119 on 506, and 4170 on 511.

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Must’ve been temporary because the car is still out on the 506

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1. 4094 at Roncesvalles. It was shut off and not tracking at Russell for more than 10 days so at least it isn’t part of the scrap cars. 

2. New service summary notes 76 CLRVs and 6 ALRVs as of July 17th 

3. Both 4002 and 4003 tracked at some point today in the lake, but at least they were tracking. 

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4024 4052 4068 4079 are the newest additions to Hillcrest. Not sure about anything 4169 and above, as transsee is not working on my computer.

Also does anybody know what is going on with 4121? Last reported new data on July 17 inside Russell.

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38 minutes ago, christine said:

Just saw 4051 towing 4004 heading west on Queen. Transsee is showing it turning north onto Bathurst, heading towards Hillcrest.

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That's a shame.  4004 was a real workhorse through the last winter.  Thank you for posting the picture.

The picture's prompted me to ask a question I've wondered about for a long time but never asked.  When two CLRV cars are hooked up with the drawbars, is the distance between cars the same as when two of them were coupled up with the couplers?

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Whichever one this is got hauled away. It was posted recently and the ad on it is for a movie which came out last week. Considering this was posted on July 17 while it still had a relevant ad on it would indicate it was perhaps a quick retirement. 

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3 hours ago, CLRV4002 said:

Whichever one this is got hauled away. It was posted recently and the ad on it is for a movie which came out last week. Considering this was posted on July 17 while it still had a relevant ad on it would indicate it was perhaps a quick retirement. 

It might be 4198. Just a hunch

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Quick question: im in the city for a week, which lines are these cars running on? I've found them on the 506, which other ones?

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50 minutes ago, Blake M said:

Quick question: im in the city for a week, which lines are these cars running on? I've found them on the 506, which other ones?

501(only from Humber Loop to Long Branch), 511

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18 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

The picture's prompted me to ask a question I've wondered about for a long time but never asked.  When two CLRV cars are hooked up with the drawbars, is the distance between cars the same as when two of them were coupled up with the couplers?

I don't have measurements handy, but no - the drawbars space the cars out quite a bit more than the couplers did. I think that there was only a gap of 18 inches or 2 feet between the anticlimbers when coupled. A drawbar, on the other hand, is something close to 4 feet long.

 

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8 minutes ago, smallspy said:

I don't have measurements handy, but no - the drawbars space the cars out quite a bit more than the couplers did. I think that there was only a gap of 18 inches or 2 feet between the anticlimbers when coupled. A drawbar, on the other hand, is something close to 4 feet long.

The drawbars are attached to the anticlimbers. When the streetcars go around curves,  their ends will pivot out. The drawbars need to be at least some minimum length to keep the anticlibers from touching.

The couplers were pivoted from somewhere under the body. My visualization (may not be accurate!) is that the geometry of the couplers was better for tight curves.

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4065 was posted on Facebook in the wee hours of the morning, depicted on a flatbed truck at Russell. Date stamp August 1.

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17 minutes ago, smallspy said:

I don't have measurements handy, but no - the drawbars space the cars out quite a bit more than the couplers did. I think that there was only a gap of 18 inches or 2 feet between the anticlimbers when coupled. A drawbar, on the other hand, is something close to 4 feet long.

 

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That's what I thought.  The drawbars are lengthy.  I managed to find a video that I saw a long time ago showing two CLRVs running MU towards Roncesvalles.  Obviously a dead car being run in since they never ran MU here because the Queen trains were discontinued after the order was placed and the cars specified but before they were delivered.

Early 1980s TTC.  MU CLRV movement at 2:33.

That's definitely much less distance between the two streetcars than there is with the anticlimbers.

5 minutes ago, Ed T. said:

The drawbars are attached to the anticlimbers. When the streetcars go around curves,  their ends will pivot out. The drawbars need to be at least some minimum length to keep the anticlibers from touching.

The couplers were pivoted from somewhere under the body. My visualization (may not be accurate!) is that the geometry of the couplers was better for tight curves.

Yes and no.  It doesn't matter where the anchor points of either drawbars mounted on anticlimbers or couplers mounted elsewhere, adequate length needs be provided so that the car ends don't bash into eachother on the tightest radius curves you have.

This morning I saw 4057 and 4069 on Lakeshore.

You know you're home when you see CLRVs.  And condos as far as the eye can see.  And Starbucks on every corner.  And someone vomiting on the sidewalk at the Go bus terminal at 7:54 in the morning.

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4 hours ago, Ed T. said:

The drawbars are attached to the anticlimbers. When the streetcars go around curves,  their ends will pivot out. The drawbars need to be at least some minimum length to keep the anticlibers from touching.

The couplers were pivoted from somewhere under the body. My visualization (may not be accurate!) is that the geometry of the couplers was better for tight curves.

That's correct. And with a minimum radius of about 36 feet on the Toronto system, and the overhang on curves of that tightness, that means that the drawbars need to be a pretty good length to prevent contact.

 

The couplers were fixed to a structural bulkhead underneath the floor of the cars - the forward edge of the steps are also braced off of the front one - but their pivot point was about 9 inches forward of their mounting location. Still well under the front and back ends of the cars.

 

Dan

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