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Saw 4230 last night heading west on Queen Street East at Greenwood. The first ALRV I've seen in operation in almost a year. It wasn't in service & had 6 ttc employees wearing construction vests onboard 

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I am not sure if this was reported but decommissioned clrv 4115 was being towed by another clrv on Thursday most likely heading to Leslie barns I believe. I forgot the number of the clrv that was towing 4115 down Queen Street.

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So for the 511 today:

Currently being served by 7 CLRVs 

4077 was signed into the 511, made it to around King & Parliament and I’m assuming it turned back and is now in the carhouse at Russell, possible mechanical issue 

511 cars got to Bathurst via King 

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1 hour ago, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said:

I am not sure if this was reported but decommissioned clrv 4115 was being towed by another clrv on Thursday most likely heading to Leslie barns I believe. I forgot the number of the clrv that was towing 4115 down Queen Street.

It was probably being towed to Hillcrest or Roncesvalles since there’s a picture on Facebook with the car being towed westbound, crossing Yonge St

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22 hours ago, JWC said:

Saw 4230 last night heading west on Queen Street East at Greenwood. The first ALRV I've seen in operation in almost a year.

It was in service?

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On 6/21/2019 at 6:02 PM, PCC Guy said:

In the fall, the following post was added to this thread, and verified as being quite accurate. Whether the frames on 4002 were cut before any of the others is not known, but what we can say (based on the information posted here) is that 4002 was completed the first, in quarter 4 of 1977, and was followed in quarter 1 of 1978 by 4003. 4000, 4001, 4004, and 4005 were not completed until quarter 2 of 1978.

Since there seems to be some confusion on this.....

 

4000 would have been the first car to start construction. All cars were numbered and thus serial'd - the last 3 or 4 digits of the whole serial sequence - in the order of which they were started. This is pretty standard.

 

Going by the full serial sequence - all 7 digits - 4002 was the first unit completed. The year/quarter digits were only given once the unit was signed off on as completed. Again, this was pretty common with a lot of the Hawker-Siddeley-produced equipment, and seems to have carried over to the UTDC-designed equipment as well.

 

Now, just to make things more interesting, it is very, very likely that 4000 and 4001 were outshopped and operated well in advance of 4002. This would be logical - get them to a stage of completion (without being fully assembled with all of the bells and whistles) where they were capable of being moved and moving on their own to test out and fine-tune various things such as loading gauge, preliminary weights, springing and dampening, load weighting, acceleration and deceleration rates, etc. before being sent back to the shop to be finally outfitted with all of the rest of their equipment. In fact, there are photos floating around of car 4001 running on the Orbe-Chavornay Railway with what appears to be cardboard or plywood in the windows and bundles of wires leading from underneath the car through the windows to the interior. The photos are dated September 1977 - several months before the supposed completion date of the car.

 

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2 hours ago, JWC said:

No 4230 wasn't in service 

It's the only ALRV that seems to be tracking any more. Is that it then for the other ALRVs, and 4230 will become the sole surviving museum piece?

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24 minutes ago, nfitz said:

It's the only ALRV that seems to be tracking any more. Is that it then for the other ALRVs, and 4230 will become the sole surviving museum piece?

All the other units are tracking at Russell. 4204 and 4221 last seen june 19th, 4207 is inside and last seen on the 20th, and 4249 last seen on the 12th.

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36 minutes ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

All the other units are tracking at Russell. 4204 and 4221 last seen june 19th, 4207 is inside and last seen on the 20th, and 4249 last seen on the 12th.

I don't see any unit currently tracking other than 4230. Which ones are you still seeing still tracking?

Did you mean the other units are not tracking at Russell?

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1 minute ago, nfitz said:

I don't see any unit currently tracking other than 4230. Which ones are you still seeing still tracking?

Did you mean the other units are not tracking at Russell?

4204, 4207, 4221 and 4249 are tracking at Russell yard. 4230 was last reported at Leslie, however the gps cannot find its location right now.

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To clarify: 4230 is the only one that is presently reporting fresh GPS data. The locations of the other previously mentioned units are cached and don't necessarily correspond to reality.

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1 hour ago, smallspy said:

Since there seems to be some confusion on this.....

 

4000 would have been the first car to start construction. All cars were numbered and thus serial'd - the last 3 or 4 digits of the whole serial sequence - in the order of which they were started. This is pretty standard.

 

Going by the full serial sequence - all 7 digits - 4002 was the first unit completed. The year/quarter digits were only given once the unit was signed off on as completed. Again, this was pretty common with a lot of the Hawker-Siddeley-produced equipment, and seems to have carried over to the UTDC-designed equipment as well.

 

Now, just to make things more interesting, it is very, very likely that 4000 and 4001 were outshopped and operated well in advance of 4002. This would be logical - get them to a stage of completion (without being fully assembled with all of the bells and whistles) where they were capable of being moved and moving on their own to test out and fine-tune various things such as loading gauge, preliminary weights, springing and dampening, load weighting, acceleration and deceleration rates, etc. before being sent back to the shop to be finally outfitted with all of the rest of their equipment. In fact, there are photos floating around of car 4001 running on the Orbe-Chavornay Railway with what appears to be cardboard or plywood in the windows and bundles of wires leading from underneath the car through the windows to the interior. The photos are dated September 1977 - several months before the supposed completion date of the car.

 

Dan

https://www.flickr.com/photos/trams-lisbonne/7757201898/in/album-72157623698306903

Three other photos of “4004”. A person in the comments said: Actually this is car 4000 II, not 4004 II. The car was mis-numbered after arriving here from the Vienna Cold Weather test center. 4001 II also operated here, but it was correctly numbered.

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1 hour ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

4204, 4207, 4221 and 4249 are tracking at Russell yard.

Where are you seeing that? Of those 4, the most recent data I can see is for 4207 about 9:45 pm last Wednesday - http://webservices.nextbus.com/service/publicXMLFeed?command=vehicleLocation&a=ttc&v=4207

The others are even older! 4249 hasn't tracked since June 11!

1 hour ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

4230 was last reported at Leslie, however the gps cannot find its location right now.

Though the tracker is active - only 12-seconds old right now - looks like it is refreshing every 20 seconds.

With only one unit currently tracking, is that it then for the other ALRVs, and 4230 will become the sole surviving museum piece?

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1 hour ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

4204, 4207, 4221 and 4249 are tracking at Russell yard. 4230 was last reported at Leslie, however the gps cannot find its location right now.

4228 is also at Russell, parked right behind 4221 on track 22. All of the remaining ALRVs were being moved around the yard this past Wednesday with the exception of 4221 and 4230 (which was inside the building). 

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I believe they were moved in order to get 4207 out from behind 4221, it was then brought into the carhouse. 4207 was in there up until a couple days ago. 4230 was in there too, but was moved to Leslie for the Rail Rodeo this weekend. 

Here’s a link to an Instagram post of the Rail Rodeo cars  

And since 4204, 4207, 4221, 4228 and 4249 do not track, does not mean they are retired. Last time I saw, all their poles were still up and in good condition 

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I rode car 4123 on the 506 and it diverted to spadina stn. probably the last time ever clrvs would run on spadina 

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511 today: No ALRVs, 4 have been replaced by Flexities 

Other note: (Just an observation) The 301 Queen is supposed to be 100% Flexity. But I see both 4049 and 4127 ran until about 4-5 AM this morning. I also noticed in the schedule that for late evenings, when the 501 is one service from Long Branch to Neville, it’s scheduled with low floors, but on Sundays, it’s scheduled as Low Floor/CLRV.  

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19 hours ago, Orion VI said:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/trams-lisbonne/7757201898/in/album-72157623698306903

Three other photos of “4004”. A person in the comments said: Actually this is car 4000 II, not 4004 II. The car was mis-numbered after arriving here from the Vienna Cold Weather test center. 4001 II also operated here, but it was correctly numbered.

That someone is legendary transit historian John F. Bromley ;)

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Just saw 4004 on Coxwell at Dundas looking very rough & out of service with 4 way flashers on.

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On 6/23/2019 at 8:51 AM, bus_7246 said:

It was probably being towed to Hillcrest or Roncesvalles since there’s a picture on Facebook with the car being towed westbound, crossing Yonge St

It must be doing a farwell tour, as I just saw 4115 being towed eastbound on Queen at Caroll, about half-an-hour ago. With many front windows missing, it's clearly done.

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43 minutes ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

Trackers are showing that 4204 is reporting new data along with 4230 at Russell yard

4230 is back at Russell. It was parked on 12 track went I got back on my break 

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2 hours ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

Trackers are showing that 4204 is reporting new data along with 4230 at Russell yard

So it is! And 4230 is tracking as Roncesvalles yard.

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