JWC Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Novabusfan_2004 said: any update on 4002? Is it being repaired or was it retired. I hope it retired 4002 is the oldest of the CLRVs it should be preserved as a heritage vehicle. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabusfan_2004 Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 5 hours ago, JWC said: 4002 is the oldest of the CLRVs it should be preserved as a heritage vehicle. Didn’t it get in a crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Novabusfan_2004 said: Didn’t it get in a crash Minor crash. Damage to panels, but not frame. From what the photos showed, it looks like it would be essentially a $0 fix (what with all of the spare parts available) 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted June 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 6 hours ago, GrandeWest_B35G said: Minor crash. Damage to panels, but not frame. From what the photos showed, it looks like it would be essentially a $0 fix (what with all of the spare parts available) Then why were we told that they were mulling over whether to repair it or not, at one point? Surely, they wouldn't have to think twice about a $0 fix, especially for a heritage vehicle contender? According to the most recent info in this thread, it is undergoing repairs. But perhaps the fact that it wasn't back in service the next day or two should tip us off to the fact that there might be something that happened to the car under the hood that we didn't see. 21 hours ago, Novabusfan_2004 said: I hope it retired Odd, and why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7749 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: Odd, and why? He hates CLRVs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4002 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: Then why were we told that they were mulling over whether to repair it or not, at one point? Surely, they wouldn't have to think twice about a $0 fix, especially for a heritage vehicle contender? According to the most recent info in this thread, it is undergoing repairs. But perhaps the fact that it wasn't back in service the next day or two should tip us off to the fact that there might be something that happened to the car under the hood that we didn't see. Is it possible that it’s days in revenue service are done, but they are still maintaining it as a heritage vehicle? Especially considering the 501A is converted to Flexity next week, do they really need 4002 in service ? Maybe they want to keep it at Hillcrest now and have it well kept for the future. That being said, no one has said any solid news regarding heritage CLRVs at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, CLRV4002 said: no one has said any solid news regarding heritage CLRVs at all yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, dowlingm said: yup Was that really necessary? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1122 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 11:51 AM, JWC said: 4002 is the oldest of the CLRVs it should be preserved as a heritage vehicle. 4001 is the oldest CLRV in service. 4002 was the first CLRV to touch TTC rails though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tom1122 said: 4001 is the oldest CLRV in service. 4002 was the first CLRV to touch TTC rails though. Unless someone made an error onnthe wiki list, it shows 4002 as a 1977 and 4001 as a 1978. 4002 would indeed be the oldest unless someone can show the build dates on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 5 hours ago, GrandeWest_B35G said: Was that really necessary? the way this thread has been meandering? Well... yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Tom1122 said: 4001 is the oldest CLRV in service. 4002 was the first CLRV to touch TTC rails though. 4002 was actually the first one built (older than 4000 and 4001) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, GrandeWest_B35G said: 4002 was actually the first one built (older than 4000 and 4001) Please validate this for us. I’m curious to see how the 3rd in sequence was the first one built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted June 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 On 9/28/2018 at 3:20 PM, andreymrklv said: Recently it was possible to find information of the serial numbers CLRV & ALRV cars. Can someone check how accurate it is? 4000-4001 - 78-2-001-78-2-002 4002 - 77-4-003 4003 - 78-1-004 4004-4005 - 78-2-005-78-2-006 In the fall, the following post was added to this thread, and verified as being quite accurate. Whether the frames on 4002 were cut before any of the others is not known, but what we can say (based on the information posted here) is that 4002 was completed the first, in quarter 4 of 1977, and was followed in quarter 1 of 1978 by 4003. 4000, 4001, 4004, and 4005 were not completed until quarter 2 of 1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4002 Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 4004 back out today after breaking down this week. I guess it was another minor problem And 4230 is at Leslie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) Saw 4230 last night heading west on Queen Street East at Greenwood. The first ALRV I've seen in operation in almost a year. It wasn't in service & had 6 ttc employees wearing construction vests onboard Edited June 23, 2019 by JWC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabianColeyLOVESBUSES Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 I am not sure if this was reported but decommissioned clrv 4115 was being towed by another clrv on Thursday most likely heading to Leslie barns I believe. I forgot the number of the clrv that was towing 4115 down Queen Street. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4002 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) So for the 511 today: Currently being served by 7 CLRVs 4077 was signed into the 511, made it to around King & Parliament and I’m assuming it turned back and is now in the carhouse at Russell, possible mechanical issue 511 cars got to Bathurst via King Edited June 23, 2019 by CLRV4002 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, FabianColeyLOVESBUSES said: I am not sure if this was reported but decommissioned clrv 4115 was being towed by another clrv on Thursday most likely heading to Leslie barns I believe. I forgot the number of the clrv that was towing 4115 down Queen Street. It was probably being towed to Hillcrest or Roncesvalles since there’s a picture on Facebook with the car being towed westbound, crossing Yonge St 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted June 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 22 hours ago, JWC said: Saw 4230 last night heading west on Queen Street East at Greenwood. The first ALRV I've seen in operation in almost a year. It was in service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWC Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 No 4230 wasn't in service 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/21/2019 at 6:02 PM, PCC Guy said: In the fall, the following post was added to this thread, and verified as being quite accurate. Whether the frames on 4002 were cut before any of the others is not known, but what we can say (based on the information posted here) is that 4002 was completed the first, in quarter 4 of 1977, and was followed in quarter 1 of 1978 by 4003. 4000, 4001, 4004, and 4005 were not completed until quarter 2 of 1978. Since there seems to be some confusion on this..... 4000 would have been the first car to start construction. All cars were numbered and thus serial'd - the last 3 or 4 digits of the whole serial sequence - in the order of which they were started. This is pretty standard. Going by the full serial sequence - all 7 digits - 4002 was the first unit completed. The year/quarter digits were only given once the unit was signed off on as completed. Again, this was pretty common with a lot of the Hawker-Siddeley-produced equipment, and seems to have carried over to the UTDC-designed equipment as well. Now, just to make things more interesting, it is very, very likely that 4000 and 4001 were outshopped and operated well in advance of 4002. This would be logical - get them to a stage of completion (without being fully assembled with all of the bells and whistles) where they were capable of being moved and moving on their own to test out and fine-tune various things such as loading gauge, preliminary weights, springing and dampening, load weighting, acceleration and deceleration rates, etc. before being sent back to the shop to be finally outfitted with all of the rest of their equipment. In fact, there are photos floating around of car 4001 running on the Orbe-Chavornay Railway with what appears to be cardboard or plywood in the windows and bundles of wires leading from underneath the car through the windows to the interior. The photos are dated September 1977 - several months before the supposed completion date of the car. Dan 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, JWC said: No 4230 wasn't in service It's the only ALRV that seems to be tracking any more. Is that it then for the other ALRVs, and 4230 will become the sole surviving museum piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC4120fan Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, nfitz said: It's the only ALRV that seems to be tracking any more. Is that it then for the other ALRVs, and 4230 will become the sole surviving museum piece? All the other units are tracking at Russell. 4204 and 4221 last seen june 19th, 4207 is inside and last seen on the 20th, and 4249 last seen on the 12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said: All the other units are tracking at Russell. 4204 and 4221 last seen june 19th, 4207 is inside and last seen on the 20th, and 4249 last seen on the 12th. I don't see any unit currently tracking other than 4230. Which ones are you still seeing still tracking? Did you mean the other units are not tracking at Russell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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