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18 hours ago, TTC T6H-5307N 2252 said:

Do you know the numbers by chance? 4203, 4214, 4224 4232 and the 3 left

7 of them are out today (12:50 pm) on 501 (Labour Day) according to Transee. 4215, 4217, 4221, 4226, 4228, 4240, and 4249. All were out at some point last month except 4228.

4228 hadn't appeared for months, as far as I know - though was on the list of 19 that I noted had tracked recently on July 2.

 

Revisiting that list of 19 (4203, 4204, 4207, 4212, 4214, 4215, 4216, 4217, 4224, 4225, 4228, 4229, 4230, 4236, 4237, 4240, 4242, 4243, and 4249). Add 4200, 4221, and 4226 but subtract 4203, 4212, 4214, 4216, 4224, 4225, 4229, and 4237.

So only 14 tracking (4200, 4204, 4207, 4215, 4217, 4221, 4226, 4228, 4230, 4236, 4240, 4242, 4243, and 4249) ... and 4236 hasn't been seen for a couple of days.

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On 9/2/2018 at 6:52 PM, dowlingm said:

Dan, any word of what the repair was?

I don't exactly, but I've been led to believe that each unit had a host of different issues that needed to be resolved. It doesn't seem as if there was just one fault common to them.

 

Those 7 are going to be the only ones done for a little while. There is a big backlog of holds of CLRVs that need to be taken care of as well, and as the repairs on them are generally easier/quicker, they are taking precedence.  Once they've had the chance to go through them, they'll get back to working on the As.

 

I'm not going to call them safe yet, but perhaps my fear that they'd all be gone by the end of the calendar year may have been a bit unfounded.

 

Dan

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33 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

4230 and 4236 are supposed to be among the ALRVs out today.

According to Transsee, 4215, 4226, 4228, 4230, 4236, 4249 are out right now (11:30 AM).

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On 8/26/2018 at 9:31 AM, PCC Guy said:

Big thanks as always! Would you happen to know anything about the present status of 4216, 4228, 4230, 4247, 4011, or 4043? I remember you told us earlier this year that 4216 and 4043 were sidelined with a bleak future, just wondering if they've been officially canned yet or not.

Give me a few weeks to track them down, and I’ll keep you informed. 

 

Also, 4213 and 4220 were hauled off to the scrapper yesterday. 

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It would appear that 4011 has resurfaced. Been watching it on the trackers for a while and its GPS was reactivated on Friday, and it looks like it was dead headed back to Russell last night.

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MIA CLRVs that have returned to service: 4024, 4030, 4068, 4096

CLRVs that are MIA: 4001, 4020, 4022, 4041, 4066, 4078, 4081, 4084, 4094

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3 hours ago, PCC Guy said:

MIA CLRVs that have returned to service: 4024, 4030, 4068, 4096

CLRVs that are MIA: 4001, 4020, 4022, 4041, 4066, 4078, 4081, 4084, 4094

4001 & 4078 are at Leslie. 

4020 was on 22 track at the top last time I checked. 

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Can anyone confirm whether 4011 was on the 506 this morning? I swung by Russell yesterday on my way home from work and I could see it on a hoist on track 1, so I know it still physically exists, but whether it was genuinely out in service this morning is a mystery to me.

I had the day off today and saw that it was alleged to be out in service, so I went to go search for it on the eastern end of the 506, but it never ended up making it up to Main Street station. It ended up holding on Gerrard just east of Broadview, and, seeing that the GPS kept reporting fresh data (not a cached location), and knowing that the car still exists, I headed over to see what was going on, but it transpired that the car wasn't there, despite the active GPS reportings. Very strange and monumentally unhelpful. The GPS ended up dying this afternoon so it is no longer reporting fresh data.

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Recently it was possible to find information of the serial numbers CLRV & ALRV cars. Can someone check how accurate it is?

4000-4001 - 78-2-001-78-2-002
4002 - 77-4-003
4003 - 78-1-004 
4004-4005 - 78-2-005-78-2-006
4010-4013 - 79-1-1181-79-1-1184   
4014-4020 - 79-2-1185-79-2-1191   
4021-4025 - 79-3-1192-79-3-1196     
4026 - 79-4-1197              
4027-4031 - 79-3-1198-79-3-1202   
4032-4036 - 79-4-1103-79-4-1207    
4037 - 79-3-1208
4038 - 79-4-1209      
4039 - 79-3-1210             
4040 - 79-4-1211           
4041 - 79-3-1212               
4042-4043 - 79-4-1213-79-4-1214  
4044 - 79-3-1215
4045-4061 - 79-4-1216-79-4-1232     
4062-4076 - 80-1-1233-80-1-1247   
4077-4079 - 80-4-1248-80-4-1250     
4080-4081 - 81-1-1251-81-1-1252     
4082-4084 - 80-2-1252-80-2-1255     
4085-4100 - 80-1-1256-80-1-1271    
4101-4106 - 80-4-1272-80-4-1277     
4107 - 80-1-1278
4108-4121 - 80-4-1280-80-4-1292     
4122-4145 - 81-1-1293-81-1-1316    
4146-4163 - 81-2-1317-81-2-1334    
4164 - 81-3-1335
4165 - 81-2-1336
4166-4189 - 81-3-1337-81-3-1360     
4190-4199 - 81-4-1361-81-4-1370     
4200-4205 - 87-76-1676-87-76-1681    
4206-4207 - 88-76-1682-88-76-1683    
4208-4209 - 89-76-1684-89-76-1685    
4210-4239 - 88-76-1686-88-76-1715   
4240-4251 - 89-76-1716-89-76-1727

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On 9/27/2018 at 4:45 PM, PCC Guy said:

Can anyone confirm whether 4011 was on the 506 this morning? I swung by Russell yesterday on my way home from work and I could see it on a hoist on track 1, so I know it still physically exists, but whether it was genuinely out in service this morning is a mystery to me.

Not sure if it was in service, but I'd assume so, as the data at Transee shows it entered at Coxwell/Gerrard yesterday at 7:39 to Main Station at 7:48, then to High Park by 9:03 and finally terminating at Broadview Gerrard at 10:27  https://www.transsee.ca/triplist?a=ttc&fleet=4011&date=2018-09-27

First time in service in a very long time by the looks of it. I did ride both 4002 and 4003 yesterday though. Second day in a row on 4002! I'll miss those red seats.

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On 9/28/2018 at 3:20 PM, andreymrklv said:

Recently it was possible to find information of the serial numbers CLRV & ALRV cars. Can someone check how accurate it is?

 

If you don't mind me asking, what is the source for this information? Some of the numbers appear to be a little off, like 4080-4081 being built a year later than all the cars around them. Also, according to the book "Toronto Transit Commission Streetcars" by Kenneth C Springirth, 4000 was displayed at the CNE in 1976 (unless this was a typo).

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EDIT: I remembered only after I posted this that 4002 was the first CLRV to be delivered in 1977, so ignore this tangent. If anyone makes it up to HCRR I highly recommend purchasing this book, though - it's a treasure trove of colour vintage photographs. https://morningsunbooks.com/products/toronto-transit-commission-streetcars

19 hours ago, nfitz said:

Not sure if it was in service, but I'd assume so, as the data at Transee shows it entered at Coxwell/Gerrard yesterday at 7:39 to Main Station at 7:48, then to High Park by 9:03 and finally terminating at Broadview Gerrard at 10:27  https://www.transsee.ca/triplist?a=ttc&fleet=4011&date=2018-09-27

First time in service in a very long time by the looks of it. I did ride both 4002 and 4003 yesterday though. Second day in a row on 4002! I'll miss those red seats.

That's the feed I was deriving my information from as well. I never ended up seeing the car, so that's why I was asking for confirmation.

The GPS was powered back up on Thursday night but died yesterday morning and has yet to come back online.

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On 9/28/2018 at 3:20 PM, andreymrklv said:

Recently it was possible to find information of the serial numbers CLRV & ALRV cars. Can someone check how accurate it is?

4000-4001 - 78-2-001-78-2-002
4002 - 77-4-003
4003 - 78-1-004 
4004-4005 - 78-2-005-78-2-006
4010-4013 - 79-1-1181-79-1-1184   
4014-4020 - 79-2-1185-79-2-1191   
4021-4025 - 79-3-1192-79-3-1196     
4026 - 79-4-1197              
4027-4031 - 79-3-1198-79-3-1202   
4032-4036 - 79-4-1103-79-4-1207    
4037 - 79-3-1208
4038 - 79-4-1209      
4039 - 79-3-1210             
4040 - 79-4-1211           
4041 - 79-3-1212               
4042-4043 - 79-4-1213-79-4-1214  
4044 - 79-3-1215
4045-4061 - 79-4-1216-79-4-1232     
4062-4076 - 80-1-1233-80-1-1247   
4077-4079 - 80-4-1248-80-4-1250     
4080-4081 - 81-1-1251-81-1-1252     
4082-4084 - 80-2-1252-80-2-1255     
4085-4100 - 80-1-1256-80-1-1271    
4101-4106 - 80-4-1272-80-4-1277     
4107 - 80-1-1278
4108-4121 - 80-4-1280-80-4-1292     
4122-4145 - 81-1-1293-81-1-1316    
4146-4163 - 81-2-1317-81-2-1334    
4164 - 81-3-1335
4165 - 81-2-1336
4166-4189 - 81-3-1337-81-3-1360     
4190-4199 - 81-4-1361-81-4-1370     
4200-4205 - 87-76-1676-87-76-1681    
4206-4207 - 88-76-1682-88-76-1683    
4208-4209 - 89-76-1684-89-76-1685    
4210-4239 - 88-76-1686-88-76-1715   
4240-4251 - 89-76-1716-89-76-1727

Quite accurate. With the exception of a couple of cars (4013 and 4200 off of the top of my head, possibly one or two more), the rest of them check out.

 

Out of curiosity, do you have serial numbers for any other vehicles built at Thunder Bay?

 

On 9/29/2018 at 12:12 PM, PCC Guy said:

If you don't mind me asking, what is the source for this information? Some of the numbers appear to be a little off, like 4080-4081 being built a year later than all the cars around them. 

The first set of digits indicates the year of completion, with the second set indicating the quarter of completion. So 4080 and 4081 were completed the following quarter, which happened to coincide with the change in year. Realistically, it was only a couple of weeks apart. And if you look elsewhere in the list, you'll see other discrepancies in the same vein. Much like with the Flexities, Thunder Bay had all sorts of issues with assembling the CLRVs and so some cars had to be completed out of order.

 

More interestingly, however, is that the serial numbers used on the CLRVs use an entirely different format than anything else built at Thunder Bay before or after - at least until the purchase of the facility by Bombardier. The traditional formatting of the serials was that the first two digits indicated the last two digits of the year of the start of the construction of the vehicles in the contract, and the next two numbers indicating the approximate length of the vehicles. The last four digits were the sequence of vehicles starting with the first one built in 1965 - TTC H1 subway car 5336. The ALRVs follow this formatting, with "76" indicating their feet in length.

 

Dan

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4041 (again) and 4193 are both currently MIA. The former appears to be at Roncesvalles, the latter is at Hillcrest.

No 4011 yet, but the GPS has stopped cutting out 3-4 times a day, so that's progress I guess.

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