TTC CLRV/ALRV updates and discussion

[Wayside Observer]

24 minutes ago, nfitz said:

Giambrone was long gone before the order was finalized. We've been hearing about 2 CLRVs for many years now ...

Was he?  I've forgotten the exact timing of when that sex scandal abruptly ended his career with respect to when the streetcar order firmed up but he was on record in the papers at the time saying that the TTC was going to keep more than just two CLRVs, which was a nod towards the two PCC cars fell a bit short.

16 minutes ago, TransitFan88 said:

Why, is keeping more than two a problem?

According to some people, keeping two of them is a problem.  To be less flip about it, there are some logistical issues that do have to be considered.  Enough storage space to keep them in, ideally indoors if possible, plus enough spare parts on hand to keep them running would have to be factored in.  If you double it, for example, from two to four CLRVs, you double the length of storage track to keep them on plus the size of the parts stash grows too.

[christine]

1 minute ago, Wayside Observer said:

Was he?  I've forgotten the exact timing of when that sex scandal abruptly ended his career with respect to when the streetcar order firmed up but he was on record in the papers at the time saying that the TTC was going to keep more than just two CLRVs, which was a nod towards the two PCC cars fell a bit short.

It appears he was still chair when they chose the Flexity Outlook in 2009.  I can't find anything about saving more than 2 cars specifically but I did find the article where he talked about the preservation of the PCCs and his interest of having the same treatment for the CLRVs.

 

[nfitz]

26 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said:

Was he?  I've forgotten the exact timing of when that sex scandal abruptly ended his career with respect to when the streetcar order firmed up but he was on record in the papers at the time saying that the TTC was going to keep more than just two CLRVs, which was a nod towards the two PCC cars fell a bit short.

I really don't see the need to discuss unrelated events. I'm surprised that it's news to you that no more than a couple of CLRVs will be preserved.
 

11 minutes ago, christine said:

It appears he was still chair when they chose the Flexity Outlook in 2009.  I can't find anything about saving more than 2 cars specifically but I did find the article where he talked about the preservation of the PCCs and his interest of having the same treatment for the CLRVs.

Rob Ford was mayor before the order was finalized ... sometime in late 2011 if I remember correctly. The funding arrangements weren't confirmed until November 2012. Ford seemed to do his darndest to put a spanner in the works, but there was a big enough poison pill in the 2009 agreement with Bombardier, that there was little benefit to cancelling the new streetcars.

 

[Wayside Observer]

2 hours ago, nfitz said:

I really don't see the need to discuss unrelated events. I'm surprised that it's news to you that no more than a couple of CLRVs will be preserved.

You should be surprised, because it is NOT news to me.  What I was mentioning, if you read my original post, if you understood my original post, was that originally there was discussion on keeping more than two CLRVs in Toronto when the new car purchase was started.  The implication was that plans changed between then and now to become more miserly in typical Toronto fashion.  In future I’ll remember to come out and make my sarcastic jabs totally blatantly obvious so they don’t go whooshing on by even the most obtuse railfsns.

[nfitz]

1 hour ago, Wayside Observer said:

In future I’ll remember to come out and make my sarcastic jabs totally blatantly obvious so they don’t go whooshing on by even the most obtuse railfsns.

Ironically, I might have to try that too one day ...

[DepthOfField]

So are there any left at Russel on the dead tracks? 
Was thinking about heading down there .... 

[PCC Guy]

39 minutes ago, DepthOfField said:

So are there any left at Russel on the dead tracks? 
Was thinking about heading down there .... 

4110, 4124, and 4187.

[PCC Guy]

4110 left for scrap today.

[John Oke]

I hope there’s some left late next week bc I might go down to Russell 

[JWC]

Only 2 CLRVs left on the dead tracks at Russell Yard - 4124 and 4187.

[DepthOfField]

Just went down there. 4187 is pulled forward towards queen. Presumably to be picked up for scrap.

[GOviaTrain]

1 hour ago, DepthOfField said:

Just went down there. 4187 is pulled forward towards queen. Presumably to be picked up for scrap.

CLRV 4187 will be preserved on a farm in Grey Highlands, Ontario. It will be picked up tomorrow morning. 

[bus_7246]

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[Orion VI]

In case anybody else wants the article: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/07/30/track-of-dreams-24-year-old-transit-fan-buys-himself-an-old-ttc-streetcar.html 

[CLRV4002]

8 hours ago, Orion VI said:

In case anybody else wants the article: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/07/30/track-of-dreams-24-year-old-transit-fan-buys-himself-an-old-ttc-streetcar.html 

So according to the article 4001 and 4089 are preserved by the TTC and 4081 and 4124 are work cars. 

[DepthOfField]

4187 has been hauled away as of 10AM this morning. I missed it, but there was a CP24 truck there, so hopefully there was some coverage of it.

But yeah, that's it - CLRV retirement appears to be officially done.

[JWC]

As of 1:30 pm today only 1 CLRV left on the dead tracks at Russell Yard - 4124. Preserved cars 4001 & 4081 were inside the barn as well as ALRV 4207. The end of an era!

[Wayside Observer]

4 hours ago, DepthOfField said:

4187 has been hauled away as of 10AM this morning. I missed it, but there was a CP24 truck there, so hopefully there was some coverage of it.

But yeah, that's it - CLRV retirement appears to be officially done.

 

1 hour ago, JWC said:

As of 1:30 pm today only 1 CLRV left on the dead tracks at Russell Yard - 4124. Preserved cars 4001 & 4081 were inside the barn as well as ALRV 4207. The end of an era!

You know you're over the hill when absolutely everything you grew up with is gone, in some cases the replacements are also gone, and the inventory at Halton isn't a history lesson, it's a trip down memory lane.

At the rate I'm going, I should probably ditch the football helmet and the rest of the gear that goes with it and get a pair of lawn bowling shoes and start asking for senior's discounts.   (<--- That is a sarcastic statement, for the benefit of those who can't, won't, or don't get it.)

[Orion VI]

1 hour ago, JWC said:

As of 1:30 pm today only 1 CLRV left on the dead tracks at Russell Yard - 4124. Preserved cars 4001 & 4081 were inside the barn as well as ALRV 4207. The end of an era!

What's the plan for 4124? I mean I know it's a work car now, but any more info?

 

[Articulated]

2 hours ago, Orion VI said:

What's the plan for 4124? I mean I know it's a work car now, but any more info?

I'm curious about this too. TTC hasn't had dedicated work cars for the streetcar network for many decades.

Wonder if we are going to see the latest generation of grinding cars?

[splendidwizardplayer]

11 hours ago, DepthOfField said:

 

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[Shaun]

3 hours ago, Articulated said:

I'm curious about this too. TTC hasn't had dedicated work cars for the streetcar network for many decades.

Wonder if we are going to see the latest generation of grinding cars?

They had leased LORAM grinders previously to do some sections of the network. I wonder what they will be using on the Eglinton Cross Town? 

I believe the same grinders where used on the subway network. 

[M. Parsons]

8 hours ago, Articulated said:

I'm curious about this too. TTC hasn't had dedicated work cars for the streetcar network for many decades.

Wonder if we are going to see the latest generation of grinding cars?

I really couldn't see them doing rail grinders. If I would hazard I guess I could see some sort of overhead measuring/ maintenance type rig. Possibly track measurement as well, either in one unit or separate units. I'm thinking along the lines of something like Calgary Transit's Scout. 

[Orion VI]

5 hours ago, M. Parsons said:

I really couldn't see them doing rail grinders. If I would hazard I guess I could see some sort of overhead measuring/ maintenance type rig. Possibly track measurement as well, either in one unit or separate units. I'm thinking along the lines of something like Calgary Transit's Scout. 

I guess this is kind of stupid, but maybe to act as a mule as well? IIRC, the flexities can't be pushed, like the CLRVs can by a truck, so maybe to pull dead flexities? As well as other things mentioned above.

[PCC Guy]

According to what I've been told by a driver friend, the plan is for 4089(not 81) and 4124 to become ultrasound track testing units, pending finances.