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Tonight seemed like a good night to update my CLRV disposition list. As always, if anyone has any information I'm missing, please let me know.

4000: removed for scrap December 9, 2017
4002: removed for scrap October 2019
4003: removed for prservation November 5, 2019
4004: removed for scrap October 30, 2019
4010: removed for preservation November 4, 2019
4012: removed or scrap early October 2019
4013: removed for scrap April 1, 2017
4014: removed for scrap March 31, 2019
4018: removed for scrap December 2017; photo posted on Facebook December 10, 2017, but unable to verify EXIF data
4019: removed for scrap October 2017; photo posted on Facebook October 9, 2017, but unable to verify EXIF data
4020: removed for scrap August 7, 2019
4021: removed for scrap January 15, 2020
4022: removed for scrap July 9, 2019
4023: removed for scrap July 16, 2019
4024: removed for preservation March 16, 2020
4027: removed for scrap week of October 29, 2018
4029: removed for scrap July 9, 2019
4030: removed for scrap October 21, 2019
4032: removed for scrap March 8, 2019
4034: removed for preservation mid November 2019
4037: removed for scrap April 5, 2019
4039: removed for preservation November 6, 2019
4041: removed for scrap July 8, 2019
4042: removed for scrap January 13, 2020
4045: removed for scrap April 25, 2018
4046: removed for scrap February 21, 2019
4049: removed for scrap August 15, 2019
4050: removed for scrap October 23, 2019
4055: removed for scrap April 25, 2018
4061: removed for scrap January 22, 2017
4063: removed for scrap March 12, 2009
4065: removed for scrap August 1, 2019
4066: removed for scrap July 17, 2019
4068: removed for preservation February 21, 2020
4075: removed for scrap December 4, 2019
4077: removed for scrap August 16, 2019
4080: removed for scrap on April 5, 2019
4084: removed for scrap July 8, 2019
4085: removed for scrap January 21, 2020
4086: removed for scrap November 28, 2019
4087: removed for scrap June 7, 2019
4090: removed for scrap April 5, 2019
4091: removed for scrap December 30, 2019
4094: possibly removed for scrap on January 2, 2020
4100: removed for scrap December 19, 2019
4101: removed for scrap July 8, 2019
4106: removed for scrap March 2019
4109: removed for scrap September 2016
4115: removed for scrap July 8, 2019
4119: removed for scrap November 19, 2019
4120: removed for scrap July 8, 2019
4125: removed for scrap August 12 (?), 2019
4126: removed for scrap on April 5, 2019
4127: removed for scrap October 24, 2019
4132: removed for scrap October 31, 2019
4133: removed for preservation February 22, 2020
4134: removed for scrap May 23, 2018
4135: removed for scrap September 6, 2019
4136: removed for scrap October 7, 2017
4139: removed for scrap late March 2018
4140: removed for scrap July 9, 2019
4141: removed for scrap cca. November 6, 2019
4145: removed for scrap cca. November 6, 2019
4146: removed for scrap October 25, 2019
4147: removed for scrap January 17, 2020
4151: removed for scrap July 9, 2015
4152: removed for scrap week of October 29, 2018; possibly November 1st
4153: removed for scrap in mid-July 2019
4154: removed for scrap week of October 29, 2018
4155: removed for unknown purposes cca. January 17, 2020
4158: removed for scrap August 20, 2018 (?)
4161: removed for scrap in April 2018
4163: removed for scrap March 2019
4164: removed for scrap January 16, 2020
4167: removed for scrap February 21, 2019
4170: removed for preservation March 17, 2020
4176: removed for scrap January 3, 2020
4177: removed for scrap July 8, 2019
4178: removed for preservation February 14, 2020
4180: removed for scrap August 13, 2019
4181: removed for scrap June 7, 2019
4182: removed for scrap July 15, 2019
4188: removed for scrap August 19, 2017
4189: removed for scrap October 18, 2019
4191: removed for scrap on November 26, 2019
4192: removed for scrap August 13, 2019
4195: removed for scrap November 22, 2019
4199: removed for scrap March 22, 2019
4200: removed for scrap May 9, 2019
4203: removed for scrap May 22, 2019
4204: removed for preservation October 22, 2019
4205: removed for scrap April 18, 2018
4208: removed for scrap week of May 27, 2019
4210: removed for scrap on May 13, 2019
4211: last served on 501 September 6/7, 2015
4213: removed for scrap September 6, 2018
4214: removed for scrap May 29, 2019
4215: removed for scrap May 2019
4217: removed for scrap week of May 27, 2019
4219: removed for scrap April 18, 2018
4220: removed for scrap September 6, 2018
4221: removed for scrap November 21, 2019; "A" section left at 11:01, "B" section at 11:40
4225: removed for scrap June 2019
4226: "A" section removed for scrap June 12, 2019
4227: last served March 2, 2016
4227: removed for scrap May 2, 2018
4228: removed for scrap November 21, 2019; "A" section left at approx. 12:51, "B" section left at 13:56
4229: removed for scrap June 8, 2019
4230: removed for scrap November 20, 2019, "B" section left at 13:39
4231: removed for scrap week of May 4, 2015
4232: removed for scrap early October 2018
4233: removed for scrap May 2, 2018
4234: loaded onto truck December 14, 2015
4236: removed for scrap June 17, 2019
4237: removed for scrap May 22, 2019
4238: "A" section removed for scrap August 24, 2018, "B" section removed for scrap August 23, 2018
4239: removed for scrap week of May 27, 2019
4240: removed for scrap May 15, 2019
4242: removed for scrap May 9, 2019
4243: "A" section removed for scrap May 17, 2019
4244: removed for scrap June 20, 2018
4247: removed for scrap May 15, 2019
4249: removed for scrap November 20 (?), 2019
4251: removed for scrap on May 13, 2019

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3 minutes ago, Tom1122 said:

Does anyone know when 4088 was retired/removed for scrap?

 

Scrap no, but the car was cut in the first week or so of 2017.

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2 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

Scrap no, but the car was cut in the first week or so of 2017.

I see.

The reason I asked was that some point in the mid 90s, 4088 was rear ended by 4100. 4100 was the more damaged of the two CLRVs but both were repaired and 4100 lasted until almost near the end.

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2 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

Wasn't that 4133?

I was told by a volunteer at Halton that its a Seashore parts car. Also I think 4133 is a Halton parts car or a second seashore parts car. Not too sure

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12 hours ago, Ultimate said:

I was told by a volunteer at Halton that its a Seashore parts car. Also I think 4133 is a Halton parts car or a second seashore parts car. Not too sure

I can say with 100% certainty 4133 is Seashore's spare (and they only have one spare). Once they take the trucks off though, it will remain at Halton for parts. 4155 is the American mining museum's spare. 

I'm sorry everyone, I goofed. American Industrial Mining Museum's spare is 4170. I don't know whats going on with 4155.

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18 hours ago, christine said:

I can say with 100% certainty 4133 is Seashore's spare (and they only have one spare). Once they take the trucks off though, it will remain at Halton for parts. 4155 is the American mining museum's spare. 

I'm sorry everyone, I goofed. American Industrial Mining Museum's spare is 4170. I don't know whats going on with 4155.

Fixed the Wiki

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On 4/11/2020 at 8:58 PM, PCC Guy said:

Tonight seemed like a good night to update my CLRV disposition list. As always, if anyone has any information I'm missing, please let me know.

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Is this in a spreadsheet format?

If it's a spreadsheet, you can do things like sort on date of retirement, which would also be interesting.

I might do that one day, but not right now as I sit outside a library (distancing in my closed car) using the wifi that is still running.

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3 hours ago, Ed T. said:

Is this in a spreadsheet format?

If it's a spreadsheet, you can do things like sort on date of retirement, which would also be interesting.

I might do that one day, but not right now as I sit outside a library (distancing in my closed car) using the wifi that is still running.

I didn't do it in a spreadsheet format, no.

In hindsight that would've been a really good idea, but I just did it in notepad, for ease of mass distributing the data.

The fact that you can also do that with a spreadsheet didn't occur to me...!

 

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On 4/13/2020 at 2:53 PM, PCC Guy said:

I didn't do it in a spreadsheet format, no.

In hindsight that would've been a really good idea, but I just did it in notepad, for ease of mass distributing the data.

The fact that you can also do that with a spreadsheet didn't occur to me...!

It should be able to be put into a spreadsheet with relatively little effort. One column would have car number, one retirement date, and then a notes column. Having a metadata column for more details (Swiss or Canadian CLRV, ALRV) would be gilding the lily. You'd probably have to do a search and delete for a lot of the text, "removed for scrap" mostly. As long as you can convince Excel that the number is one column and the date is another column you should be fine--and that's the hard work right there.

Like I said, I'd do it when I get a chance, but not in a parking lot with a laptop in my lap....

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On 4/13/2020 at 2:53 PM, PCC Guy said:

I didn't do it in a spreadsheet format, no.

In hindsight that would've been a really good idea, but I just did it in notepad, for ease of mass distributing the data.

The fact that you can also do that with a spreadsheet didn't occur to me...!

 

Is it consistently formatted like one line of text per record, i.e each streetcar in this example, with tabs or commas separating each piece of data on each line (oh dear god I’m showing my age talking about tab delimited text records...)?  Something like that would be very easily spreadsheet importable.  Even if it’s loose text it wouldn’t be too hard with only 248 entries to set up a fleet number column automatically and prune out the missing entries for the prototypes that were never built and then copy and paste the rest of it in instead of doing a lot of shell script grep and cat manipulations or something like that to chew through it and spit out a ready for import file which would be less work than doing it by hand if it was a horribly long list.

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18 hours ago, splendidwizardplayer said:

4133 is the Seashore/Halton spare. Seashore will take the trucks and Halton will have the body.

Who gets the guts?

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On 4/22/2020 at 9:54 PM, Tom1122 said:

Aside from the historic cars, how many CLRVs remain at Russel that are not stripped?

As of 11:30 am today there are 12 CLRVs on the dead tracks. Don't know how many are inside the Barns as the doors were closed.

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I drove by Russell yesterday and noticed a couple CLRVs with what looked like tape making a large “X” over the front doors. I believe one of them was 4187. 

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Are the cars with an "X" stripped? If not, I wonder if the X means not to remove parts as the car is being preserved.

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3 hours ago, Tom1122 said:

Are the cars with an "X" stripped? If not, I wonder if the X means not to remove parts as the car is being preserved.

They didn’t look stripped to me. The tape was over the entire front doors so one would have to remove the tape before entering the streetcar from the front. Maybe it’s to indicate not to strip any interior parts? 

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It seems like they have tapped all the front doors. Its probably to prevent people going in to the yard to strip parts of the CLRV.

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Stop by the yard tonight and nothing has change since the last time I was there. Can't recall if the first car on track 22 had its pole up or down the last time, but down tonight.

Bay 2 had 4089, 4001, the 2 PCC's and 4207 was a few bays over.

About 8 LRV's in the yard as well.

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