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1 hour ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

Wiki has been updated to include recently mentioned units as stripped and the scrap dates for 4021 and 4164. Until more units are stripped or removed from property, I will be leaving them as active.

Besides 4178 will any of the other 41xx units be preserved? 

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20 hours ago, CLRV4094 said:

There is some good news. It looks like 4081 will be saved by TTC. Only it and 4001 track now.

Next week's CEO report seemed to show that one ALRV and two CLRVs would not be disposed of - for what's that worth (given the errors that often appear in that report).

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6 hours ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

And back to the bad news. 4085 was on a flatbed today. Not sure if it left or not.

It did leave yesterday apparently, at roughly 12:03 pm. A friend of mine told me

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On 1/20/2020 at 9:57 PM, CLRV4094 said:

There is some good news. It looks like 4081 will be saved by TTC. Only it and 4001 track now.

Not sure that's necessarily conclusive, as 4024 is tracking as well. But 4207 doesn't - and it's being saved.

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27 minutes ago, nfitz said:

Not sure that's necessarily conclusive, as 4024 is tracking as well. But 4207 doesn't - and it's being saved.

4024 could be being used as a yard mule or the like, and last I heard 4207 is at Hillcrest undergoing repairs to its trucks and bellows.

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12 minutes ago, CLRV4094 said:

4024 could be being used as a yard mule or the like ...

Could be ... but it's reporting as parked on the west side of Russell ... so I'd assume it's for the wrecker.

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1 hour ago, CLRV4094 said:

4207 is at Hillcrest undergoing repairs to its trucks and bellows

I thought it was someone who got banned for making it up and saying that 4207 is in jeopardy  with issues in the bellows

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3 minutes ago, John Oke said:

I thought it was someone who got banned for making it up and saying that 4207 is in jeopardy  with issues in the bellows

That’s what I’m aware of. The person who reported that 4207 had an issue with the bellows had their account deleted so there’s no reason to believe that rumour was true. 
 

Also, wasn’t there mention of 4089 being retained, anyone know the status on that?

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2 hours ago, CLRV4002 said:

That’s what I’m aware of. The person who reported that 4207 had an issue with the bellows had their account deleted so there’s no reason to believe that rumour was true. 
 

Also, wasn’t there mention of 4089 being retained, anyone know the status on that?

I don't have an update on 4089, although it was last spotted in Harvey Shops so I do have reason to believe it is not stripped.

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On 1/22/2020 at 11:35 AM, DepthOfField said:

How many are left in the yard? 

Just left Russell Yard. 15 CLRVs on the dead tracks (3 westerly tracks are full)! Not sure how many CLRVs are inside the barn.

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14 minutes ago, JWC said:

Just left Russell Yard. 15 CLRVs on the dead tracks (3 westerly tracks are full)! Not sure how many CLRVs are inside the barn.

Is 4178 still outside?

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Why do they keep power on to these retired streetcars? I saw a BUNCH of them with the lights on and poles up during the week. Does that not waste power?

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On 1/25/2020 at 9:11 AM, MK78 said:

Why do they keep power on to these retired streetcars? I saw a BUNCH of them with the lights on and poles up during the week. Does that not waste power?

If they need to move them around for any purpose it's easier than spending time and effort coupling up dead cars. I don't think they're drawing that much power sitting there idle.

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On 1/25/2020 at 9:11 AM, MK78 said:

Why do they keep power on to these retired streetcars? I saw a BUNCH of them with the lights on and poles up during the week. Does that not waste power?

 

6 hours ago, Robert Lubinski said:

If they need to move them around for any purpose it's easier than spending time and effort coupling up dead cars. I don't think they're drawing that much power sitting there idle.

For sure. The power consumption is a drop in the bucket compared to putting out the compliment of new cars that’s out at any given time, three subway lines, the Scarborough RT and all the buildings and structures that are powered up around the clock.  So yeah, it’s easier just to sit down at the controls and move cars as needed rather than couple dead cars to a donkey or put the pole up and cajole one that’s been off for a while in the middle of winter to start up and move around on its own.

So how much juice is it using?  Well, how about a science project?  Ok, ok, alright, I hear the groaning about how everyone was in the middle of a grand old foam fest session and I come along and ruin it with this BS about using tools and equipment to gather objective facts and data.  Anyways, one possible way to determine this would be to energize the substation at HCRR, measure current output to get a number on what’s drawn off the line with the 600 on because there should be a couple of things placing a slight load on it plus anything they’ve got direct wired on the line that draws as soon as the 600 V comes up. That’s overhead.  Electrical overhead, nothing to do with overhead wire. Next step, turn on one CLRV to the point where the subsystems are on at a quiescent state.  Take a second current measurement and subtract the first. You have the idle current draw of a sitting car.  It’ll fluctuate a bit as the air compressor cycles etc. but not a big deal unless there’s a leak and the duty cycle gets out of line.  Multiply by line voltage and now you’ve got the idle power draw of a sitting CLRV.  Multiply by by the number of idle cars in the yard at Russell by the number of hours of idle time by the average hydro rate to get a ballpark cost figure.  It’ll be small, a rounding error in the overall TTC operating budget.

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On 1/22/2020 at 11:35 AM, DepthOfField said:

How many are left in the yard? 

Just left Russell Yard - 5 CLRVs on track #22, 6 CLRVs on track on track #21, 6 CLRVs on track #20 (CLRV #4178 was up front on track #20). A Flexity was alone on track #19 with its destination sign & lights off! All doors on the barn were closed so I couldn't see if any CLRVS were inside.

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1 hour ago, Streety McCarface said:

Have there been no movements today either? Does this mean like 10 cars are going to be sent for the torch tomorrow?

A few cars were moved to another track. Cars 4040 4051 4133 and 4193.
 

 

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