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Would be a tight fit but it could be doable, provided that they extended the platform along the entire length of the loop.

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35 minutes ago, IRT_BMT_IND said:

No different than all the other loops without room for two flexities.

Yeah I live in the east end, I don't go downtown or west end often to remember what most of those loops look like...

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36 minutes ago, CLRV4002 said:

According to it’s tracker, 4094 is at Leslie Barns 

It's possible that it'll be used as a yard mule then. So then, 4021, 4094 and 4105 will be around a bit longer then... One car I see being sent to a museum is 4081, as that was one of the most realible cars.

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47 minutes ago, CLRV4002 said:

According to it’s tracker, 4094 is at Leslie Barns 

4094 had its vision console removed, and the physical 4094 was in the deadline behind recently hauled off 4091 on 20 track last I checked on Saturday night. It’s most likely either a new car that received the vision equipment

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On 12/30/2019 at 5:39 AM, Downsview 108 said:

Not as bad as the foamers weaving in and out of traffic for shots including one that ran alongside 4068 from Greenwood to the yard filming. Now I see why the TTC decided to have that contest.

Ha I witnessed that! A few friends and I were standing by the ladder track at Russell patiently waiting for 4068 to pass by. We formed a photo line and convinced the strangers around us to do the same. As 4068 lurched forward slowly to give us the chance for better photos and videos, this jagoff (and I am remaining polite here) had the indecency to nearly ruin all of our photos. Had it not been for a fellow admin here yelling at this guy and warning him not to get too close to us (will not name names), our photo would have been royally blocked by some lanky Asian kid who clearly did not know how the game was played. Perhaps this is archetypical of the me first Toronto entitlement craze that sadly does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If said jagoff is reading this right now, I want you to know that your behaviour is inexcusable and you should be ashamed of yourself. I can now see why respected and knowledgeable individuals here have severely curtailed their participation at such public or private events, or even on this board, refusing to be associated with these fairweather "enthusiasts".

I flew from YUL with a friend especially for the event, and we were happy to ride 4081, which in large part was not bogged down by selfish enthusiasts. The operator was completely professional and was kind enough to share transfers as souvenirs. Overall the trip was worth it and I am sorry that you guys have lost such an iconic vehicle.

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Going to talk about an important part of the legacy cars for a bit: wraps. 4024 is the last car with the banner wrap. 4089 is the last car with a full wrap. 4042 4085 4104 and 4110 and the final cars are the last ones with half wraps. 

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Current state. 
Although it seems utterly pointless speculating about the future of these.
We all know that all (but a select few) will be sent to the scrapyard, so it's just a matter of time. 
 

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1 hour ago, SMS said:

Ha I witnessed that! A few friends and I were standing by the ladder track at Russell patiently waiting for 4068 to pass by. We formed a photo line and convinced the strangers around us to do the same. As 4068 lurched forward slowly to give us the chance for better photos and videos, this jagoff (and I am remaining polite here) had the indecency to nearly ruin all of our photos. Had it not been for a fellow admin here yelling at this guy and warning him not to get too close to us (will not name names), our photo would have been royally blocked by some lanky Asian kid who clearly did not know how the game was played. Perhaps this is archetypical of the me first Toronto entitlement craze that sadly does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If said jagoff is reading this right now, I want you to know that your behaviour is inexcusable and you should be ashamed of yourself. I can now see why respected and knowledgeable individuals here have severely curtailed their participation at such public or private events, or even on this board, refusing to be associated with these fairweather "enthusiasts".

I flew from YUL with a friend especially for the event, and we were happy to ride 4081, which in large part was not bogged down by selfish enthusiasts. The operator was completely professional and was kind enough to share transfers as souvenirs. Overall the trip was worth it and I am sorry that you guys have lost such an iconic vehicle.

Totally agreed. And let's face it, the ruining of photos was the least of what could have happened. He could have gotten killed or seriously injured and guess who would take the blame. The same organization who made this event possible. Now I definitely understand and sympathize why they did the contest. There was another whackjob on board the same car that made the operator wait while he decided to walk around the closed side in the middle of traffic for photos. He could have also been easily hit by a car. He was also shouting random stuff. I'll just call him "Alladin" because of the way he looked. Some of you may know who I'm talking about. I've seen the same guy before on the subway acting dodgy. The CLRV retirement and the unbelievable generosity (as well as patience) the TTC displayed with this event was enough to bring me out of retirement but it was also simultaneously a reminder why I love fanning alone. The day before Sunday I just sat around the Ex in the nice weather and just watched streetcars with my lunch. No cameras, no nothing. In the end, your eyes and your memory are the best camera.

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2 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

Indeed I do. Besides what you were mentioning, he was also doing quasi-parkour on the grab bars in the rear stepwell, and generally bothering people as he milled about. I was standing in the standee area across from the rear doors when he forced me out of the spot so he could film the window open and close (real fascinating stuff, that). Then later he waltzed right onto Russell property (this was long before the contest cars arrived and the giant sea of people stormed the yard) and stood about midway between the dead CLRVs and the street. WTF??? These people have no shame.

I am willing to guess that he was the reason CBC News couldn't air their coverage aboard 4068 although I may be wrong. I didn't see it on their website. 🙄

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5 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

Chriiiist I forgot about the interview he gave. Jesus that was brutal.

(For those who weren't there, he gave an interview at Wolesley loop with some long, winded spiel about how 'old-school is the better school' and generally being really annoying about his opinion). Is it any wonder the public thinks we're all a bunch of weirdos when people like this do our PR?

I just saw that photo. 🤣 🤣 🤣

I don't remember him doing that at all. 🤣

I felt really bad for some of the operators but they took it in stride. And yeah, people like that give all transit fans a bad name or worse, an asterisk whenever legal discussions concerning the hobby come up. It seems the media at least found some decent people to interview for the most part.

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I passed by Russell division today 4164 was towing 4147 inside the garage. I spoke to the mechanic driving 4164 and they said as they are bringing in the cars inside the garage they are doing the decommissioning right away. I also saw 4001 for my first time since I didn't get to ride on it or see it in person. 4001 is parked behind the two PCC streetcars. 4170 was coupled to 4124 I think as well.

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5 hours ago, SMS said:

Ha I witnessed that! A few friends and I were standing by the ladder track at Russell patiently waiting for 4068 to pass by. We formed a photo line and convinced the strangers around us to do the same. As 4068 lurched forward slowly to give us the chance for better photos and videos, this jagoff (and I am remaining polite here) had the indecency to nearly ruin all of our photos. Had it not been for a fellow admin here yelling at this guy and warning him not to get too close to us (will not name names), our photo would have been royally blocked by some lanky Asian kid who clearly did not know how the game was played. Perhaps this is archetypical of the me first Toronto entitlement craze that sadly does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If said jagoff is reading this right now, I want you to know that your behaviour is inexcusable and you should be ashamed of yourself. I can now see why respected and knowledgeable individuals here have severely curtailed their participation at such public or private events, or even on this board, refusing to be associated with these fairweather "enthusiasts".

I flew from YUL with a friend especially for the event, and we were happy to ride 4081, which in large part was not bogged down by selfish enthusiasts. The operator was completely professional and was kind enough to share transfers as souvenirs. Overall the trip was worth it and I am sorry that you guys have lost such an iconic vehicle.

This is why I do not go take my last rides on the final day of service. I took my last rides/photos the day before and enjoyed every minute of it. No massive crowds, foamers and chasers. 

 

 

 

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What was the logic behind using a chain to connect the axles of the CLRV together? It because only one of the trucks is powered? 

Did they not think that as a result if one wheel locks up, both will lockup? Is there an advantage to having them connected?

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15 hours ago, Bessarion said:

This is why I do not go take my last rides on the final day of service. I took my last rides/photos the day before and enjoyed every minute of it. No massive crowds, foamers and chasers. 

 

 

 

I took my last day shots at John St. well away from any crowds and where the cars were on the street. They all stopped for passengers so it wasn't hard to get decent shots even on such a miserable day. The Wolseley Loop pics posted are good but it's not the best for photos when the cars are pulled up to the curb. By the time the cars were at Wolseley for the last run I was frozen and had my photos and last rides on other days when the cars weren't filled with foamers and angry geezers. Aside from the clueless people who walk in front of everyone's photos when it should be obvious there's a photo line or endanger themselves in traffic, it seems the event went pretty well for the fans. The TTC did a good job promoting this and running the extra celebration cars on Queen St.

On 12/29/2019 at 10:01 PM, Streety McCarface said:

Ha! Your foamer stories aren’t as bad as what I overheard/saw.

One of the old guys was filming a foamer kid and getting this kid to say things on camera badmouthing recent TTC decisions (OPTO, CLRV, the presence of Station Attendants, etc) in the name of “safety” and “job security”

While some of these concerns are genuine and have merit (some are flat out lies), these people should not be manipulating kids and filming them to propagate an agenda, especially on a day of celebration. 

Also, quite the foamer thing to do, but I couldn’t resist:

a tribute video made of some of my favorite clips.

Finally, shout out to Jesse and the operator of 4178 (I can’t put my finger on his name and I want to give him mad credit).

You two especially stood out today.

Great video. I wish the digital technology was around to do this for the last months of the PCCs. A big camcorder was the only option then and other than Ray Neilson no one shot any video that I know of.

The op in 4178 looked like Jason.

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According to an article in Railway Age "UTDC had specified an outside-frame truck for the CLRVs, with higher-speed suburban operation in mind. Again, this became a redundancy—a troublesome and expensive one—with city street operation. The heavier truck, as compared to an inside-frame version, caused problems in operation, with noise and vibration issues resulting in numerous public complaints; derailments at switches; and deterioration of the concrete-encased track structure.". 

The ALRV's has inside frame trucks even though they where based on the same platform. 

And I thought that the ALRV'S where going to be used on the Scarborough RT line not the CLRV's.

If the ALRV'S where designed for high speed use why didn't they have outside frame truck designs?

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From Steve Munro's comment, he claimed (I forget which article or comment) the heavy duty equipment due to the intend of running them on high speed suburban operation was the reason they lasted so long.

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12 minutes ago, Shaun said:

And I thought that the ALRV'S where going to be used on the Scarborough RT line not the CLRV's.

If the ALRV'S where designed for high speed use why didn't they have outside frame truck designs?

It was the CLRVs which were to be used on the SRT.

https://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4503.shtml
 

As for designing the ALRVs for high speed use, the early days of the Streetcar News thread had some discussion about this. I don't know everything about the cars' construction, but as far as I'm aware, the intention was never to run them at high speeds. Why would it be? The SRT was already up and running by the time the first ALRV had arrived.

 

 

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1 hour ago, PCC Guy said:

It was the CLRVs which were to be used on the SRT.

https://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4503.shtml
 

As for designing the ALRVs for high speed use, the early days of the Streetcar News thread had some discussion about this. I don't know everything about the cars' construction, but as far as I'm aware, the intention was never to run them at high speeds. Why would it be? The SRT was already up and running by the time the first ALRV had arrived.

 

 

Thanks for the link. I see my original question from 13 years ago was never answered and now with more members here, I wonder if anyone know?

  

On 11/20/2006 at 9:13 AM, Orion V said:

CLRV only:

Anyone remember around 15 years ago, the ventilation (now white) on the streetcars came in 3 colours? Grey (most popular), white and red (least popular). I take it the red vents were the SIG CLRVs. Anyone have photos of them and which colour correspond to which CLRV?

Here was my question from 13 years ago.

And Steve's nicely enough to actually have an image of the red vent CLRVs in action. Super rare photo as most CLRVs were either white vent or grey vent back in the 90s. I used to wait forever to ride a red vent CLRV!

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/b7_957c.jpg

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23 minutes ago, Orion V said:

Thanks for the link. I see my original question from 13 years ago was never answered and now with more members here, I wonder if anyone know?

  

Here was my question from 13 years ago.

And Steve's nicely enough to actually have an image of the red vent CLRVs in action. Super rare photo as most CLRVs were either white vent or grey vent back in the 90s. I used to wait forever to ride a red vent CLRV!

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/b7_957c.jpg

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The red vent CLRVs were the three 1984 celebration cars (4000, 02, 05) plus 4175 that was supposed to be a celebration car but there were paint issues so it was not used. The red vents were painted white by 2000 if not sooner. One car, 4075 was repainted with silver vents before they did the repaints with white vents. The grey vents were the original unpainted metal.

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