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1 minute ago, Streety McCarface said:

Ha! Your foamer stories aren’t as bad as what I overheard/saw.

One of the old guys was filming a foamer kid and getting this kid to say things on camera badmouthing recent TTC decisions (OPTO, CLRV, the presence of Station Attendants, etc) in the name of “safety” and “job security”

While some of these concerns are genuine and have merit (some are flat out lies), these people should not be manipulating kids and filming them to propagate an agenda, especially on a day of celebration. 

This geezer yelled at a teen (who looked to have ASD) all b/c a part of his head was in his shot and was being really rude the kid after... 

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5 minutes ago, Streety McCarface said:

Ha! Your foamer stories aren’t as bad as what I overheard/saw.

One of the old guys was filming a foamer kid and getting this kid to say things on camera badmouthing recent TTC decisions (OPTO, CLRV, the presence of Station Attendants, etc) in the name of “safety” and “job security”

While some of these concerns are genuine and have merit (some are flat out lies), these people should not be manipulating kids and filming them to propagate an agenda, especially on a day of celebration. 

Also, quite the foamer thing to do, but I couldn’t resist:

a tribute video made of some of my favorite clips.

Finally, shout out to Jesse and the operator of 4178 (I can’t put my finger on his name and I want to give him mad credit).

You two especially stood out today.

How isn’t the music copyrighted?!?!

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2 minutes ago, splendidwizardplayer said:

This geezer yelled at a teen (who looked to have ASD) all b/c a part of his head was in his shot and was being really rude the kid after... 

As much as kid/teen foamers can be annoying, they at least have the excuse of not knowing better. If someone’s yelling at an adult for being a prick, that’s different, but at a child? Some of these people take this hobby too seriously.

2 minutes ago, John Oke said:

How isn’t the music copyrighted?!?!

It is, I don’t make any money off my channel, I just do it for fun. The record label can monetize it all they want, I just wanted to do something fun.

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Yes, thank you everyone for sharing your photos and videos! Great to capture history. I am sure many who couldn't be there, myself included, appreciate seeing the last runs!

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While the weather today was downright terrible, it was still great that we (the transitfan community) managed to have a great weekend sending off the CLRV streetcars, both yesterday on 511 Bathurst and today on 501 Queen. It really is not often that equipment makes it to 40+ years in service, and even rarer for a transit vehicle to have become such an identifying part of the city, an immediately recognizable icon and part of the city's fabric.

Thanks everyone for sharing their photos both of the weekend and historical items, and I would also like to contribute my album of photos from the final two days.

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14 minutes ago, DepthOfField said:

Soooooooooooooo, now what?

Is that it? Will the remaining/surviving CLRVs make it to graveyard, with the exception of a few that will be preserved?
 

When things are official, and/or we have information people can share they'll post info. 

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18 minutes ago, DepthOfField said:

Soooooooooooooo, now what?

Is that it? Will the remaining/surviving CLRVs make it to graveyard, with the exception of a few that will be preserved?
 

With the exception of the final cars, the two cars at Leslie and 4089 which is at Hillcrest, all of them should be in the deadline. 
Here are a few of the units being moved over today while I was waiting for 4001:

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And here is what the dead line looked like with all the cars moved over:

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Note that before the cars were moved, the only things that were parked there were 4091 4094 and 4074 in the middle, and on track 22 4051 and a pair of trucks. So they basically moved almost the whole fleet over.

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7 hours ago, Streety McCarface said:

Ha! Your foamer stories aren’t as bad as what I overheard/saw.

One of the old guys was filming a foamer kid and getting this kid to say things on camera badmouthing recent TTC decisions (OPTO, CLRV, the presence of Station Attendants, etc) in the name of “safety” and “job security”

While some of these concerns are genuine and have merit (some are flat out lies), these people should not be manipulating kids and filming them to propagate an agenda, especially on a day of celebration. 

Also, quite the foamer thing to do, but I couldn’t resist:

a tribute video made of some of my favorite clips.

Finally, shout out to Jesse and the operator of 4178 (I can’t put my finger on his name and I want to give him mad credit).

You two especially stood out today.

Nice video.

7 hours ago, splendidwizardplayer said:

This geezer yelled at a teen (who looked to have ASD) all b/c a part of his head was in his shot and was being really rude the kid after... 

Not as bad as the foamers weaving in and out of traffic for shots including one that ran alongside 4068 from Greenwood to the yard filming. Now I see why the TTC decided to have that contest.

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9 hours ago, splendidwizardplayer said:

This geezer yelled at a teen (who looked to have ASD) all b/c a part of his head was in his shot and was being really rude the kid after... 

Geezer has ASD himself.

It’s worth remembering that the surface fleet is now 100% wheelchair accessible, a feature that cryptkeeper will need very, very soon.

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16 hours ago, Robert Lubinski said:

The CLRV brochure pic and General Manager Michael Warren with a CLRV model.

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Very sleek without those slider windows. But ridiculously hot in sunny weather.

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On 12/28/2019 at 9:12 PM, MK78 said:

Does anyone know if the TTC ever consider running the CLRV's coupled up in two?

 Of course they did. That's why they were equipped with couplers from the factory.


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On 12/28/2019 at 9:12 PM, MK78 said:

I just stumbled upon this on YouTube... Does anyone know if the TTC ever consider running the CLRV's coupled up in two?

Yes, in addition to that video Steve Munro has an article about multiple unit operation. 
https://stevemunro.ca/2010/06/16/multiple-unit-clrv-and-alrv-operation/

You can also look at some of the original plans for the Scarborough RT using CLRVs coupled together as well. 

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16 minutes ago, smallspy said:

 Of course they did. That's why they were equipped with couplers from the factory.

Maybe I should rephrase. Why did they stop running in pairs and removed the couplers? Could it have been a pedestrian safety thing? I imagine a pedestrian would be more likely to be dragged under?

I don't remember them running in pairs, so they must have stopped that still in the 80's somewhere? I was a kid then I wouldn't have cared or remembered.

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Here's something else I worked on on Saturday, a series of before and after shots with the CLRVs along Bathurst.

 

In addition, 4091 left today (i.e. December 30, 2019).

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3 hours ago, MK78 said:

Maybe I should rephrase. Why did they stop running in pairs and removed the couplers? Could it have been a pedestrian safety thing? I imagine a pedestrian would be more likely to be dragged under?

Well, for one - they never ran in service coupled. During the design process, the TTC operated Queen service with MU'd PCCs, but this ended in 1977 or so - before the CLRVs actually entered service.

 

The second, and probably more important reason for why they removed the couplers is that there are a lot of electrical systems onboard the cars, and the couplers facilitated communication between them. And what frequently happened in the situation where a car became disabled was that upon coupling that the cause of the disablement would also affect the other car (or at least the disablement would not be cleared in such a way that a second car could take control of the disabled car). The TTC soon discovered that it was just easier to use a drawbar and tow or push a disabled car.

 

As for pedestrians, that's why the Shiner Skirts were installed. But they are also designed to fit over the couplers, and to be easily removed to allow access to the couplers.

 

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I don't remember them running in pairs, so they must have stopped that still in the 80's somewhere? I was a kid then I wouldn't have cared or remembered.

They tested, but never ran in service as pairs. There was an idea thrown about about 15 years ago to run cars on King coupled up, but that was pretty quickly discarded.

 

3 hours ago, AnalogPentium said:

Anyone who makes a scale model of the CLRV or ALRV will be rich very quick

I don't think that you understand how the market for scale models works.


Dan

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On the right two transfers from the ALRV farewell trip and on the Left two transfers from the CLRV farewell trip

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15 CLRVs parked on the dead tracks & 5 CLRVs parked close to the barn at Russell Yard. The other 10 are probably at Roncesevalles Yard?

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