MK78 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, nfitz said: 503 frequencies are better with buses, but the ride is much rougher. But Kingston Road frequencies were always the exception, not the rule. Also, I have found it more challenging some days to squeeze on a 503 at Sherbourne than a 504. Meanwhile we have so few streetcars that some lines, like 506, are less frequent in PM rush hour than mid-day or weekends! Meanwhile the bus bunching and gaps on 505 are a complete shitshow. Yeah I mostly take the 503 in the morning from Bingham loop, where there are always buses waiting. It used to be a shitshow with the streetcars cuz they'd always get hung up somewhere along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, MK78 said: Yeah I mostly take the 503 in the morning from Bingham loop, where there are always buses waiting. It used to be a shitshow with the streetcars cuz they'd always get hung up somewhere along the way. Much of the 502/503 streetcar service problems were that the timing on the routes were completely impossible, so either they short-turn before getting downtown, before getting to Bingham, or have big gaps. And 502+503 were run separately, so no qualms about being in pairs. No reason that streetcars couldn't be as reliable. Though if they are going to use buses - extend them to Birchmount or VP station! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyfong Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Jan Boic said: Apparently that fell through about a month ago according to a very reliable source. Which source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, anyfong said: Which source? None of our business. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 11 hours ago, nfitz said: Much of the 502/503 streetcar service problems were that the timing on the routes were completely impossible, so either they short-turn before getting downtown, before getting to Bingham, or have big gaps. And 502+503 were run separately, so no qualms about being in pairs. No reason that streetcars couldn't be as reliable. Though if they are going to use buses - extend them to Birchmount or VP station! I wonder what the 503 service would be like with Flexity. I don't even think there's room for two flexity's at Bingham loop. Someone would have to monitor that and make sure to get the operator to move off before the next one would roll in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT_BMT_IND Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, MK78 said: I don't even think there's room for two flexity's at Bingham loop. No different than all the other loops without room for two flexities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted December 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Would be a tight fit but it could be doable, provided that they extended the platform along the entire length of the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK78 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, IRT_BMT_IND said: No different than all the other loops without room for two flexities. Yeah I live in the east end, I don't go downtown or west end often to remember what most of those loops look like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4002 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 According to it’s tracker, 4094 is at Leslie Barns 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, CLRV4002 said: According to it’s tracker, 4094 is at Leslie Barns It's possible that it'll be used as a yard mule then. So then, 4021, 4094 and 4105 will be around a bit longer then... One car I see being sent to a museum is 4081, as that was one of the most realible cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepthOfField Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Gonna swing by Russel today and grab some pics and see who's on death row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus_7246 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, CLRV4002 said: According to it’s tracker, 4094 is at Leslie Barns 4094 had its vision console removed, and the physical 4094 was in the deadline behind recently hauled off 4091 on 20 track last I checked on Saturday night. It’s most likely either a new car that received the vision equipment 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMS Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/30/2019 at 5:39 AM, Downsview 108 said: Not as bad as the foamers weaving in and out of traffic for shots including one that ran alongside 4068 from Greenwood to the yard filming. Now I see why the TTC decided to have that contest. Ha I witnessed that! A few friends and I were standing by the ladder track at Russell patiently waiting for 4068 to pass by. We formed a photo line and convinced the strangers around us to do the same. As 4068 lurched forward slowly to give us the chance for better photos and videos, this jagoff (and I am remaining polite here) had the indecency to nearly ruin all of our photos. Had it not been for a fellow admin here yelling at this guy and warning him not to get too close to us (will not name names), our photo would have been royally blocked by some lanky Asian kid who clearly did not know how the game was played. Perhaps this is archetypical of the me first Toronto entitlement craze that sadly does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If said jagoff is reading this right now, I want you to know that your behaviour is inexcusable and you should be ashamed of yourself. I can now see why respected and knowledgeable individuals here have severely curtailed their participation at such public or private events, or even on this board, refusing to be associated with these fairweather "enthusiasts". I flew from YUL with a friend especially for the event, and we were happy to ride 4081, which in large part was not bogged down by selfish enthusiasts. The operator was completely professional and was kind enough to share transfers as souvenirs. Overall the trip was worth it and I am sorry that you guys have lost such an iconic vehicle. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC4120fan Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Going to talk about an important part of the legacy cars for a bit: wraps. 4024 is the last car with the banner wrap. 4089 is the last car with a full wrap. 4042 4085 4104 and 4110 and the final cars are the last ones with half wraps. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepthOfField Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Current state. Although it seems utterly pointless speculating about the future of these. We all know that all (but a select few) will be sent to the scrapyard, so it's just a matter of time. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsview 108 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, SMS said: Ha I witnessed that! A few friends and I were standing by the ladder track at Russell patiently waiting for 4068 to pass by. We formed a photo line and convinced the strangers around us to do the same. As 4068 lurched forward slowly to give us the chance for better photos and videos, this jagoff (and I am remaining polite here) had the indecency to nearly ruin all of our photos. Had it not been for a fellow admin here yelling at this guy and warning him not to get too close to us (will not name names), our photo would have been royally blocked by some lanky Asian kid who clearly did not know how the game was played. Perhaps this is archetypical of the me first Toronto entitlement craze that sadly does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If said jagoff is reading this right now, I want you to know that your behaviour is inexcusable and you should be ashamed of yourself. I can now see why respected and knowledgeable individuals here have severely curtailed their participation at such public or private events, or even on this board, refusing to be associated with these fairweather "enthusiasts". I flew from YUL with a friend especially for the event, and we were happy to ride 4081, which in large part was not bogged down by selfish enthusiasts. The operator was completely professional and was kind enough to share transfers as souvenirs. Overall the trip was worth it and I am sorry that you guys have lost such an iconic vehicle. Totally agreed. And let's face it, the ruining of photos was the least of what could have happened. He could have gotten killed or seriously injured and guess who would take the blame. The same organization who made this event possible. Now I definitely understand and sympathize why they did the contest. There was another whackjob on board the same car that made the operator wait while he decided to walk around the closed side in the middle of traffic for photos. He could have also been easily hit by a car. He was also shouting random stuff. I'll just call him "Alladin" because of the way he looked. Some of you may know who I'm talking about. I've seen the same guy before on the subway acting dodgy. The CLRV retirement and the unbelievable generosity (as well as patience) the TTC displayed with this event was enough to bring me out of retirement but it was also simultaneously a reminder why I love fanning alone. The day before Sunday I just sat around the Ex in the nice weather and just watched streetcars with my lunch. No cameras, no nothing. In the end, your eyes and your memory are the best camera. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsview 108 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: Indeed I do. Besides what you were mentioning, he was also doing quasi-parkour on the grab bars in the rear stepwell, and generally bothering people as he milled about. I was standing in the standee area across from the rear doors when he forced me out of the spot so he could film the window open and close (real fascinating stuff, that). Then later he waltzed right onto Russell property (this was long before the contest cars arrived and the giant sea of people stormed the yard) and stood about midway between the dead CLRVs and the street. WTF??? These people have no shame. I am willing to guess that he was the reason CBC News couldn't air their coverage aboard 4068 although I may be wrong. I didn't see it on their website. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsview 108 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, PCC Guy said: Chriiiist I forgot about the interview he gave. Jesus that was brutal. (For those who weren't there, he gave an interview at Wolesley loop with some long, winded spiel about how 'old-school is the better school' and generally being really annoying about his opinion). Is it any wonder the public thinks we're all a bunch of weirdos when people like this do our PR? I just saw that photo. I don't remember him doing that at all. I felt really bad for some of the operators but they took it in stride. And yeah, people like that give all transit fans a bad name or worse, an asterisk whenever legal discussions concerning the hobby come up. It seems the media at least found some decent people to interview for the most part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 You guys who have a video or photo of this douche should post it here so everyone sees him. Shame him back! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabianColeyLOVESBUSES Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 I passed by Russell division today 4164 was towing 4147 inside the garage. I spoke to the mechanic driving 4164 and they said as they are bringing in the cars inside the garage they are doing the decommissioning right away. I also saw 4001 for my first time since I didn't get to ride on it or see it in person. 4001 is parked behind the two PCC streetcars. 4170 was coupled to 4124 I think as well. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 What's the rush in getting them scrapped? Do we need the space for parking other cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splendidwizardplayer Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Shaun said: What's the rush in getting them scrapped? Do we need the space for parking other cars? Maybe they don't want foamers going on Russel and doing some crazy foamer things. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessarion Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, SMS said: Ha I witnessed that! A few friends and I were standing by the ladder track at Russell patiently waiting for 4068 to pass by. We formed a photo line and convinced the strangers around us to do the same. As 4068 lurched forward slowly to give us the chance for better photos and videos, this jagoff (and I am remaining polite here) had the indecency to nearly ruin all of our photos. Had it not been for a fellow admin here yelling at this guy and warning him not to get too close to us (will not name names), our photo would have been royally blocked by some lanky Asian kid who clearly did not know how the game was played. Perhaps this is archetypical of the me first Toronto entitlement craze that sadly does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If said jagoff is reading this right now, I want you to know that your behaviour is inexcusable and you should be ashamed of yourself. I can now see why respected and knowledgeable individuals here have severely curtailed their participation at such public or private events, or even on this board, refusing to be associated with these fairweather "enthusiasts". I flew from YUL with a friend especially for the event, and we were happy to ride 4081, which in large part was not bogged down by selfish enthusiasts. The operator was completely professional and was kind enough to share transfers as souvenirs. Overall the trip was worth it and I am sorry that you guys have lost such an iconic vehicle. This is why I do not go take my last rides on the final day of service. I took my last rides/photos the day before and enjoyed every minute of it. No massive crowds, foamers and chasers. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLRV4094 Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 Apparently 4081 will be saved by someone. Stay tuned for more info. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 What was the logic behind using a chain to connect the axles of the CLRV together? It because only one of the trucks is powered? Did they not think that as a result if one wheel locks up, both will lockup? Is there an advantage to having them connected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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