northwesterner Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Posted this on Dec 30th in the retirement thread It's been sitting there for 2 weeks after getting repaired (new headlights). Guess they realized the new order won't be seeing service for a bit longer? You are assuming, again, that the only defects on the coach are the ones you can see. The bus certainly wasn't out of service for weeks because it needed only headlights ... and obviously it wasn't ready for service (nor was it "partially stored") once the headlights were installed. There are thousands of defect possibilities that could hold a coach out of service for a period of time that long. Typically, the driving factor, however is availability of shop labor hours. If it needs a lot of labor hours to make the repair, the foreman will typically prioritize many smaller repairs on other coaches because that decision will be effective of meeting the daily sign out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCanGo Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 You are assuming, again, that the only defects on the coach are the ones you can see. The bus certainly wasn't out of service for weeks because it needed only headlights ... and obviously it wasn't ready for service (nor was it "partially stored") once the headlights were installed. There are thousands of defect possibilities that could hold a coach out of service for a period of time that long. Typically, the driving factor, however is availability of shop labor hours. If it needs a lot of labor hours to make the repair, the foreman will typically prioritize many smaller repairs on other coaches because that decision will be effective of meeting the daily sign out. It got new headlights on the right side from what I saw. As for any other repairs? S8009 was sitting in the active track on Dec 30th. Did it need other repairs? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando737 Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 S15002 is at STC. Saw it parked in the body shop. Probably for maintenance to get familiar with. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8800GTX Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 ^ Well, we're halfway through January. If the buses start service by the end of the month then it's going to be sometime within the next 2 weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Bus Fan Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 15003 is at OTC, if you haven't seen the pictures I posted on The Bus Lounge, I'll post them here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Bus Fan Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 15002 is at OTC, its parked right behind 15003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Bus Fan Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I wonder if they get inspection to start service, hopefully they should see by the end Janruary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow1331 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Which units have arrived so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando737 Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I think all the units for STC have arrived. One will be on display for training this week and they are expected to arrive within the next 2 weeks at STC. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion P9217 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 15001-15014 are herr Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Bus Fan Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Spotted 15002 at STC this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando737 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 S15002 has been at STC since Monday for operator training. Three of them are expected to be in service on Monday February 1st. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCanGo Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 S15002 has been at STC since Monday for operator training. Three of them are expected to be in service on Monday February 1st. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk 5 of them sit at the STC now. Wednesday seems to be the day they will roll out, but don't expect all of them to be in service until late Feb. There will be some sort of photo op tomorrow, but I imagine that is standard whenever new buses roll out. The City of Surrey are really excited for these. On a related note, we are inching closer towards investing in a traffic signal priority system along KGB and 104th and discussions are ongoing to install real-time bus information at stops,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando737 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 All of them will be in service by the end of March, that includes the ones for BTC. That's what the plan is right now. 2 or 3 of them were expected to be in service today, that's what the bulletin had mentioned. There is one 96 run that goes into service at 1519 from Guildford so that could have one of these assigned and it does a trip on the N19 so having a bus with camera's is always preferred where available. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 There is one 96 run that goes into service at 1519 from Guildford so that could have one of these assigned and it does a trip on the N19 so having a bus with camera's is always preferred where available.That block is 8007's today.http://tcomm.bustrainferry.com/mobile/bus?busId=8007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow1331 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 All of them will be in service by the end of March, that includes the ones for BTC. That's what the plan is right now. 2 or 3 of them were expected to be in service today, that's what the bulletin had mentioned. There is one 96 run that goes into service at 1519 from Guildford so that could have one of these assigned and it does a trip on the N19 so having a bus with camera's is always preferred where available. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk 8007 is booked out for that run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Bus Fan Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 All of them will be in service by the end of March, that includes the ones for BTC. That's what the plan is right now. 2 or 3 of them were expected to be in service today, that's what the bulletin had mentioned. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk That sucks to hear that they won't be in service until March. Do you know why such a delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northwesterner Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 That sucks to hear that they won't be in service until March. Do you know why such a delay? I feel like we have a discussion every time a new fleet is delivered about how long it takes to prep them for service. Including the installation of farebox, radio, passenger counters, etc. Then maintenance training. Then mechanic training. And then... the next time an agency gets a new fleet, someone asks "why is it taking so long to get them into service?" There is easily 2x to 3x the amount of work required to prep a new coach for service now versus fifteen years ago, mostly related to the technology that the agency needs to install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 All were initially projected to be in service by March anyways. http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/01/buses-the-next-generation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Bus Fan Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I feel like we have a discussion every time a new fleet is delivered about how long it takes to prep them for service. Including the installation of farebox, radio, passenger counters, etc. Then maintenance training. Then mechanic training. And then... the next time an agency gets a new fleet, someone asks "why is it taking so long to get them into service?" There is easily 2x to 3x the amount of work required to prep a new coach for service now versus fifteen years ago, mostly related to the technology that the agency needs to install. CMBC already has 2012 XDE60 which should mean that training for these buses should take faster which means they can enter service sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotQuite Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 CMBC already has 2012 XDE60 which should mean that training for these buses should take faster which means they can enter service sooner. The 2012's are at RTC, not STC. Also they are 3 years older. Perhaps differences in technology that makes a difference ?? Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Bus Fan Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 The 2012's are at RTC, not STC. Also they are 3 years older. Perhaps differences in technology that makes a difference ?? Just saying. Then why did PCTC drivers got to train on WVMT XD40 and went into service a lot sooner than these XDE60? The XD40 were two years older than XN40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8800GTX Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 On a related note, we are inching closer towards investing in a traffic signal priority system along KGB and 104th and discussions are ongoing to install real-time bus information at stops,. Don't count on it. I have a feeling the City of Surrey is going to try to hold this back as they want to move their LRT agenda. Installing something like this would increase consistency on the 96 which - when you think about it - would be catastrophic to their LRT ambitions. The travel time benefit would be reduced from 1 minute to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 It was never said the entry into service will be delayed until March, the wording was that they all will be in service by the end of March. Basically, the last buses from the order will arrive and enter service in March, not the first buses being delayed until then. That sucks to hear that they won't be in service until March. Do you know why such a delay? The XN40's did not enter service faster than this order. The first XN40's were spotted at Port Kells on Sept 22, 2014, and the first one was in service on Nov 18, 2014 which is 57 days. Going through this thread, the first bus of this order was spotted there on Dec 15, 2015. 57 days after that is Feb 10, 2016, which is yet to come. In the quite likely event the first buses enter service sometime this week, these artics will be on the road in less time than the XN's were. Then why did PCTC ad drivers got to train on WVMT XD40 and went into service a lot sooner than these XDE60? The XD40 were two years older than XN40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando737 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 The first of these will probably be in service this week or next week at the latest. As of right now, S15002 S15003 and S15007 are at STC fully equipped with compass and tmac. As for training, these are the first hybrid buses to run out of STC so I'm sure there may be a group of mechanics that have never worked on anything other than straight diesel and the Xcelsiors are also a new design from the LF and LFR series. Operator training also needed to be provided as there are several differences from the D60LF. Its a hybrid, bus doesn't need to be kneeled for the wheelchair ramp to be deployed on a curb (the angle is set to work without kneeling), air conditioning, front roof hatch is powered, brake pedal goes down when interlock or hill holder activated, rear doors are electronic (along with all the usual features, door will reopen if something is blocking it anywhere), maxi alarm is pressure sensitive in the seat instead of an electric eye, different setup of dash and wheelchair positioning. Lots to show to operators, even for me, I've driven the 2012's out of RTC. Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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