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Little has happened since the update I've posted on March 31.

CP has only picked up transporter TTBX 966024 (carrying car 4459) from Hillcrest early this morning (Saturday, April 9). It is now at Lambton Yard awaiting departure for Quebec.

On the other hand, car 4455 is back from retrofits and it arrived at Lambton Yard onto transporter JTTX 966016, joining the other completed TTC cars that have been sitting in the yard for a while,

There are now 4 TTC cars waiting in queue at Lambton for re-delivery to Hillcrest:

4449 (transporter XTTX 142476)

4452 (transporter XTTX 142012)

4454 (transporter JTTX 604594)

4455 (transporter JTTX 966016)

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On 4/9/2022 at 11:06 PM, ttc rider said:

There are now 4 TTC cars waiting in queue at Lambton for re-delivery to Hillcrest:

4449 (transporter XTTX 142476)

4452 (transporter XTTX 142012)

4454 (transporter JTTX 604594)

4455 (transporter JTTX 966016)

Of the cars above, 4454 has won the coin toss and was delivered to Hillcrest today (Sunday, April 10). It is currently at the loading dock, to be unloaded this week.

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4454 is now off loaded after being loaded Jan 19 (83 day)

4460 has taken 4454 spot on the flat.

How fast will CP remove this flat and replace it with another this week??

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2 hours ago, drum118 said:

4454 is now off loaded after being loaded Jan 19 (83 day)

4460 has taken 4454 spot on the flat.

That's correct!

Car 4454 is back on property.

It was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Tuesday, April 12, 2022). Car 4561 was used to tow it off railcar transporter JTTX 604594.

To recap, car 4454 had been loaded up for transport to La Pocatiere, QC on Wednesday, January 19, 2022, for a total turnaround time of 83 days.

Car 4454 has been towed by 4561 earlier this afternoon and is now at Leslie.

In turn, car 4460 is off-property as of this morning. It headed to Hillcrest under its own power earlier in the morning, and after car 4454 had come off, car 4561 was used to load 4460 onto the same transporter (JTTX 604594) for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC.

The last day of service for car 4460 was Tuesday, March 29, 2022 on 510 Spadina. 

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Transporter JTTX 604594, carrying car 4460 to Quebec, was picked up by CP from Hillcrest on Saturday (April 16).

In turn, of the three TTC cars waiting in queue at Lambton for re-delivery (4449, 4452 & 4455), the one that arrived last was re-delivered first - transporter JTTX 966016, carrying car 4455, has been delivered to the Hillcrest loading dock on Sunday (April 17).

Car 4455 to be unloaded this week.

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7 hours ago, ttc rider said:

Transporter JTTX 604594, carrying car 4460 to Quebec, was picked up by CP from Hillcrest on Saturday (April 16).

In turn, of the three TTC cars waiting in queue at Lambton for re-delivery (4449, 4452 & 4455), the one that arrived last was re-delivered first - transporter JTTX 966016, carrying car 4455, has been delivered to the Hillcrest loading dock on Sunday (April 17).

Car 4455 to be unloaded this week.

Some way I was sure 4455 (76 days) was the next car to be off loaded Thurs, as it started tracking at Hillcrest and the other were no showing up at all.  Will 4449 be the last to be off loaded considering it the longest car off site when it arrived and still is at 136 days??

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10 hours ago, drum118 said:

Some way I was sure 4455 (76 days) was the next car to be off loaded Thurs, as it started tracking at Hillcrest and the other were no showing up at all.  

Car 4455 has yet to be unloaded and is definitely not tracking at Hillcrest.

The GPS unit is turned off during transport, so it cannot be "tracked" using any of the nextbus-based web apps - certainly not in the way that all of the other cars physically located on TTC property and with their GPS units turned on can be.

Yes, the last tracked location for car 4455 is being reported by nextbus as being Hillcrest loading dock, but that's because that was the last position reported more than two months ago, just as the car was being loaded up in preparation for taking it off-property and before the GPS unit was turned off.

So the location as shown in nextbus is not "wrong", it is simply stale. The fact that the car is now physically there at the very same location is a mere coincidence. 

As a side note, nextbus also reports the locations of 4456, 4457, 4459 & 4460  at the Hillcrest loading dock as well - obviously, the cars are not there, the data is simply stale.

11 hours ago, drum118 said:

Will 4449 be the last to be off loaded considering it the longest car off site when it arrived and still is at 136 days??

Hard to say, both 4449 & 4452 have been at Lambton yard for quite a while  - the former for more than one month - but they're being moved around the yard and sorted all the time, as part of different cuts of freight cars. It also depends on the schedule of the local switcher that delivers to Hillcrest, which does not run every night.

In other news, transporter JTTX 604594, carrying car 4460 to Quebec, that was taken up by CP on Saturday, April 16, should be leaving Lambton yard tonight or tomorrow.

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Good general advice: if you are tracking units based on TransSee data, turn on the last seen date. 4455 was last seen by the system on March 8. image.thumb.png.6e8539d2594b7ce3895a51cac7ac849c.png

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4455 is showing been off loaded and assuming 4461 has taken it place.

The tracker I had show it sitting at Hillcrest last Thurs as well the last few days. I took the sitting at Hillcrest with a gain of salt until TTC rider posting.

The few times I been to the yard lately, haven't seen the cars

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14 hours ago, drum118 said:

4455 is showing been off loaded and assuming 4461 has taken it place.

Yes, that is correct!

Car 4455 is back on property.

It was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Tuesday, April 19, 2022). It has been sitting at the loading dock since Sunday.

Car 4558 was used to tow it off railcar transporter JTTX 966016.

To recap, car 4455 had been loaded up for transport to La Pocatiere, QC on Tuesday, February 1, 2022, for a total turnaround time of exactly 11 weeks, or 77 days.

Car 4455 is likely to return to Leslie tomorrow afternoon (April 20), based on past recent experience.

In turn, car 4461 is off-property as of this morning. It headed to Hillcrest under its own power earlier in the morning, and after car 4455 had come off, car 4558 was used to load 4461 onto the same transporter (JTTX 966016) for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC.

The last day of service for car 4461 was Sunday, April 10, 2022 on 505 Dundas.

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The following movements have taken place on the weekend:

Transporter JTTX 966016, carrying car 4461, has been picked up by CP from Hillcrest on Saturday (April 23). It is now at Lambton yard, awaiting departure for CPR Toronto Yard, than on to Montreal.

Transporter XTTX 142476, carrying car 4449, has been dropped off by CP at the Hillcrest siding on Sunday (April 24).

Notably, XTTX 142476 had sat in Lambton Yard for almost six weeks after arrival in Toronto before re-delivery to Hillcrest.

Car 4449 to be unloaded this week, probably tomorrow.

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4449 is off loaded and assumed 4462 has taken it place on the transporter. It was loaded on Dec 3 for shipping.

4452 will be the next one to be off loaded that has also been sitting in Lambton since March 16 like 4449. Based on CP moves, 4452 maybe off loaded next Tuesday.

Next car to be off loaded will be at the end of May or so.

4 more cars to be ship.

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9 hours ago, drum118 said:

4449 is off loaded and assumed 4462 has taken it place on the transporter. It was loaded on Dec 3 for shipping.

Actually, car 4449 had been loaded at Hillcrest on Dec 2 (not Dec 3),  but otherwise you're correct - 4449 is back on property as of this morning, and 4462 has been sent off for retrofits.

Car 4449 was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Tuesday, April 26, 2022). It has been sitting at the loading dock since Sunday.

Car 4585 was used to tow it off railcar transporter XTTX 142476.

To recap, car 4449 had been loaded up for transport to La Pocatiere, QC on Thursday, December 2, 2021, for a total turnaround time of 145 days.

Car 4449 remains at Hillcrest for now, likely returning to Leslie tomorrow afternoon (April 27), based on past recent experience.

In turn, car 4462 is off-property as of this morning. It headed to Hillcrest under its own power, and after car 4449 had come off, car 4585 was used to load 4462 onto the same transporter (XTTX 142476) for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC.

The last day of service for car 4462 was Wednesday, April 20, 2022 on 511 Bathurst.

9 hours ago, drum118 said:

4452 will be the next one to be off loaded that has also been sitting in Lambton since March 16 like 4449. Based on CP moves, 4452 maybe off loaded next Tuesday.

Actually, 4452 arrived back in Toronto on March 23, so about one week after 4449. 

There were two occurrences in March when two cars had been shipped together and arrived back on the same train, but on different weeks, as follows:

4449 and 4451 arrived on March 16.

4452 and 4454 arrived on March 23.

9 hours ago, drum118 said:

Next car to be off loaded will be at the end of May or so.

4 more cars to be ship.

We'll have to wait and see. Cars 4456 & 4457 should be back before the end of May, based on recent turnaround times.

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On 4/26/2022 at 6:50 PM, ttc rider said:

Actually, car 4449 had been loaded at Hillcrest on Dec 2 (not Dec 3),  but otherwise you're correct - 4449 is back on property as of this morning, and 4462 has been sent off for retrofits.

Car 4449 was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Tuesday, April 26, 2022). It has been sitting at the loading dock since Sunday.

Car 4585 was used to tow it off railcar transporter XTTX 142476.

To recap, car 4449 had been loaded up for transport to La Pocatiere, QC on Thursday, December 2, 2021, for a total turnaround time of 145 days.

Car 4449 remains at Hillcrest for now, likely returning to Leslie tomorrow afternoon (April 27), based on past recent experience.

In turn, car 4462 is off-property as of this morning. It headed to Hillcrest under its own power, and after car 4449 had come off, car 4585 was used to load 4462 onto the same transporter (XTTX 142476) for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC.

The last day of service for car 4462 was Wednesday, April 20, 2022 on 511 Bathurst.

Actually, 4452 arrived back in Toronto on March 23, so about one week after 4449. 

There were two occurrences in March when two cars had been shipped together and arrived back on the same train, but on different weeks, as follows:

4449 and 4451 arrived on March 16.

4452 and 4454 arrived on March 23.

We'll have to wait and see. Cars 4456 & 4457 should be back before the end of May, based on recent turnaround times.

Thanks for the corrections as a few typo on my part.

As for 4456 and 4457, based on CP deliveries these days is why I said end of May or earlier/later for being drop off at Hillcrest. 4456 is currently 54 days, 4457 is 34 days, 4458 is 30 days. 4456 has the best chance being back on TTC property this month.

4451 enter service on April 24 and late posting it

4452 is supposed to be at Hillcrest to be off loaded this week. It currently 108 days

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On 5/1/2022 at 1:27 AM, drum118 said:

Thanks for the corrections as a few typo on my part.

As for 4456 and 4457, based on CP deliveries these days is why I said end of May or earlier/later for being drop off at Hillcrest. 4456 is currently 54 days, 4457 is 34 days, 4458 is 30 days. 4456 has the best chance being back on TTC property this month.

I think you either have the dates mixed up or otherwise your calculations are incorrect.

4456 was loaded up at Hillcrest on February 8...4457 on February 22...4458 on March 1.

At the time of your posting (May 1), that would translate to 82, 68 and 61 days off-property, respectively.

Check back my previous posts in this thread when I reported all of these moves.

Regardless, 4456 is already back in Toronto and has been sitting at Lambton Yard since last Friday, joining 4452 in the re-delivery queue.

On 5/1/2022 at 1:27 AM, drum118 said:

4451 enter service on April 24 and late posting it

That is incorrect. 

4451 first returned to service after re-delivery to the TTC on Good Friday, April 15. It was in full day service on 501 Queen that day.

On 5/1/2022 at 1:27 AM, drum118 said:

4452 is supposed to be at Hillcrest to be off loaded this week. It currently 108 days

We will have to wait and see.

CP first needs to move XTTX 142476 (with 4462 sitting on it) out of the way first. 4462 was loaded up on April 26, but it is still at the Hillcrest loading dock awaiting pick-up by CP.

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15 hours ago, ttc rider said:

I think you either have the dates mixed up or otherwise your calculations are incorrect.

4456 was loaded up at Hillcrest on February 8...4457 on February 22...4458 on March 1.

At the time of your posting (May 1), that would translate to 82, 68 and 61 days off-property, respectively.

Check back my previous posts in this thread when I reported all of these moves.

Regardless, 4456 is already back in Toronto and has been sitting at Lambton Yard since last Friday, joining 4452 in the re-delivery queue.

That is incorrect. 

4451 first returned to service after re-delivery to the TTC on Good Friday, April 15. It was in full day service on 501 Queen that day.

We will have to wait and see.

CP first needs to move XTTX 142476 (with 4462 sitting on it) out of the way first. 4462 was loaded up on April 26, but it is still at the Hillcrest loading dock awaiting pick-up by CP.

My dates are the same as yours.  I use https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html to put in the date the cars are loaded and off loaded to get X dates. Don't use the extra 1 day. Unless I used the wrong date for off loading or in Lambton for the wrong timeframe, but it looks like I haven't done updating for some time based on the current update for my errors. 

As for 4451, I sure miss that as I haven't been following it daily it like I normal due for the others for some reason.  Never check that day as I was out of town. Its also the first car to reenter service under 20 days.

TTC has to be at the bottom of CP moves to have cars pick-up and drop off at Hillcrest these days that range from 5-3x days.  8 days so far for 4462 to be pick-up.

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On 5/4/2022 at 12:00 PM, drum118 said:

My dates are the same as yours.  I use https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html to put in the date the cars are loaded and off loaded to get X dates. Don't use the extra 1 day. Unless I used the wrong date for off loading or in Lambton for the wrong timeframe, but it looks like I haven't done updating for some time based on the current update for my errors. 

You must have used incorrect dates as input into that webpage...

You can check back this thread...all of the gory details for every single Flexity move going back a few years have been posted here.

On 5/4/2022 at 12:00 PM, drum118 said:

TTC has to be at the bottom of CP moves to have cars pick-up and drop off at Hillcrest these days that range from 5-3x days.  8 days so far for 4462 to be pick-up.

The only update since my post on Tuesday of this week is that transporter XTTX 142489, carrying car 4457, arrived at Lambton Yard yesterday (May 4).

There are now three TTC cars at Lambton awaiting re-delivery to Hillcrest: 4452, 4456 & 4457.

Transporter XTTX 142476, carrying car 4462, has yet to be picked up from Hillcrest.

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Transporter XTTX 142476, carrying car 4462, has been picked up from Hillcrest by CP yesterday.

On 5/5/2022 at 9:37 PM, ttc rider said:

There are now three TTC cars at Lambton awaiting re-delivery to Hillcrest: 4452, 4456 & 4457.

Of the three cars above, 4456 (transporter ITTX 965335) has been delivered to Hillcrest first.

Car 4456 is now at the loading dock, to be unloaded next week.

Transporters  XTTX 142012 and XTTX 142489 (carrying cars 4452 and 4457, respectively) remain at CP's Lambton yard, awaiting re-delivery to Hillcrest.

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9 hours ago, drum118 said:

4456 has been off loaded. Assume 4463 has taken 4456 spot on the flat

Yes, that is correct!

Car 4456 is back on property.

It was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Tuesday, May 10, 2022). 

Car 4453 was used to tow it off railcar transporter ITTX 965335.

To recap, car 4456 had been loaded up for transport to La Pocatiere, QC on Tuesday, February 8, 2022, for a total turnaround time of exactly 13 weeks, or 91 days.

Car 4456 is still at Hillcrest at this time, and likely to return to Leslie tomorrow afternoon (May 11), based on past recent experience.

In turn, car 4463 is off-property as of this morning. It headed to Hillcrest under its own power earlier in the morning, and after car 4456 had come off, car 4453 was used to load car 4463 onto the same transporter (ITTX 965335) for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC.

The last day of service for car 4463 was Tuesday, April 26, 2022 on 503 Kingston Road.

 

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Maybe wrong, but looks like 4457 will be next to be off loaded after arriving May 4 in Lambton. 4452 racking a lot of time in Lambton since it arrival on March 23

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7 hours ago, drum118 said:

Maybe wrong, but looks like 4457 will be next to be off loaded after arriving May 4 in Lambton. 

Can I ask what the basis for that assumption is?

Please don't say it's because you're using nextbus-based applications such as Transsee or Pockettrack and you notice that 4457 is "tracking" at the loading dock at Hillcrest.

I've already explained several times here why cars that are in transit or have otherwise had their GPS units turned off cannot be tracked using those methods.

And in fact, you are wrong.

Car 4452 (not 4457) is the next car to be offloaded, likely tomorrow (i.e. Tuesday) morning. Car 4457 is still at CP's Lambton Yard.

I have been remiss in not reporting that railcar transporter XTTX 142012, carrying car 4452, has been delivered by CP to Hillcrest early Saturday morning - however, car 4452 has yet to be offloaded.

7 hours ago, drum118 said:

4452 racking a lot of time in Lambton since it arrival on March 23

Yes, indeed.

I was checking my records...4452 was loaded up at Hillcrest back on January 12...it arrived back in Toronto after retrofits were completed on March 23...so the entire process took only ten weeks...and then it took approximately eight more weeks for it to get from Lambton Yard to Hillcrest.

2 hours ago, yrt1000 said:

Spotted 4463 on a CP train a few moments ago leaving the CP yard in Scarborough 

Thanks for letting us know. 4463 was picked up from Hillcrest early Saturday and should be on its way back to the plant for retrofits - railcar transporter is ITTX 965335 if anybody wants to track its location.

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Car 4452 is back on property.

It was unloaded at Hillcrest this morning (i.e. Tuesday, May 17, 2022). 

Car 4400 was used to tow it off railcar transporter XTTX 142012.

To recap, car 4452 had been loaded up for transport to La Pocatiere, QC on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, for a total turnaround time of 125 days, one day short of 18 weeks.

Car 4452 is  likely to return to Leslie tomorrow afternoon (May 18), based on past recent experience.

In turn, car 4464 is off-property as of this morning. It headed to Hillcrest under its own power earlier in the morning, and after car 4452 had come off, car 4400 was used to load car 4464 onto the same transporter (XTTX 142012) for the trip to La Pocatiere, QC.

The last day of service for car 4464 was Saturday, May 7, 2022 on 501 Queen during daytime, and on 504 King in the evening,

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