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ETS Electric Bus testing

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5 years after eliminating electric buses, ETS is testing 2. Stolte admits they love diesel.

EDMONTON - Edmonton is bringing in two electric buses this spring to become the second Canadian city to test the new technology, Edmonton Transit manager Charlie Stolte says.

Earlier batteries needed to be recharged too frequently to be practical, but new versions can run for about 200 kilometres, he said Wednesday.

The vehicles are apparently cheaper to operate, quieter and have less environmental impact than diesel buses, but Stolte hopes the nine-month project shows how well they perform in the cold.

“The major concern is adaptability to Edmonton and the price point. We aren’t going to go out and buy an exorbitant amount.”

The electric buses, being supplied by the Chinese company BYD, cost $700,000 to $800,000 each, compared to $430,000 for conventional diesel.

Stolte will try to convince other municipalities in the region to share the $120,000 cost of the pilot project, expected to start in May.

Electric buses are being tried in Montreal. They’re also in use or being tested in several U.S. cities, including New York and Los Angeles, and overseas.

Edmonton is looking at replacing an average of 50 buses annually from 2017 to 2029 as the current fleet wears out, which Stolte expects will involve buying more diesel.

“I’m willing to test (electric), I’m willing to pilot it, but I’m an old-school guy. I fall back on diesel.”

At current prices, this would cost about $20 million a year.

Edmonton eliminated its electric trolley system in 2009, mainly because of the high cost of buying new vehicles and maintaining wires and other infrastructure.

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ETS would be the 3rd to try BYD after STO and STM and 4th if you include STL's Designline.

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Oh boy, dirty coal burning power plants charging those batteries.... not a good idea...:lol:

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So Chuck is gonna waste another 2 million or so to test electric busses

Perhaps can explain to the board whey he continues to BUY test vehicles, when the manufacturers should be eager to provide them for testing

But let's be factual here, testing battery powered busses and what other activity on the planet is as bad as manufacturing batteries (green eh?).

Not too sure how much progress they have made since last summer, but the unit we saw in Montreal only had a 200k range too. strange when a trolley coach is pretty well endless.

Of course, this is the logic process we are forced to endure from Chuck (ciao Bon, you're not missed) and his minions.

Test 6 hybrids at a cost on approx 5 million (again why buy them???). 2 of them which "failed to meet standards" (1,500km in a year) to quote Chuck at the Cuta meeting. These hybrids relied on batteries, kind of like what he wants to test now/again. How have those batteries faired Chuck. How many have already been replaced?

Then using a "cooked" report, kill off trolley coaches due to: acquisition costs (not properly amortized), fuel cost (and what is diesel at now), noise levels (can you the fix was in), brake pad life (what a sham) and overhead maintenance costs (ok, that's fair but your numbers were not)

Then before the last of the trolley coach overhead is cut up for scrap, they sell the city council on "urban LRT". aka streetcars, with overhead costs, electric costs, acquisition costs and track costs...

And these busses and streetcars are all fueled from the net, a coal powered net...

ETS, Chuck, Uwe, care to explain? Remember to show your work ;)

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Oh boy, dirty coal burning power plants charging those batteries.... not a good idea... :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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So Chuck is gonna waste another 2 million or so to test electric busses

Perhaps can explain to the board whey he continues to BUY test vehicles, when the manufacturers should be eager to provide them for testing

They aren't buying them... just paying $120 000 to test them. For some reason they think St. Albert and Strathcona should pitch in though. STM's finished with their in April, so May seems about the right time for that bus to head west.

$120 000 seems to be a lot of pay for doing somebody elses R&D work for them.

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They aren't buying them... just paying $120 000 to test them. For some reason they think St. Albert and Strathcona should pitch in though. STM's finished with their in April, so May seems about the right time for that bus to head west.

$120 000 seems to be a lot of pay for doing somebody elses R&D work for them.

Only 120K for 9 months, to do the testing the manufacturer should be doing? Bloody criminal that demo's are not provided IF they want the sale

Ah well, at least it's not 2 million, but I'm sure they wasted that already on other things...

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Photos have been posted by someone on facebook in the Edm. Transit group of the 2 BYD buses at DL MacDonald...

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The one furthest from A. Wong in his pic has been moved to beside DLM, while the other remains at the RoW building. Got some pics today. For those that track it, the one by the RoW building doesn't have a license plate, while the 1 beside DLM has a California plate as seen in the pic.

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LADOT apparently has a fleet of BYD's, but, they are 25' and painted in their livery. I've been searching for pics trying to compare Edmonton's and haven't had much luck. BYD only just completed their first 2 buses on the California production line. Presumably any others produced to date have had a lot of work done in China. 1 bus appears to be a match, however, for a bus in a photo used in the Journal, but that's the only photos I've found online of that bus.

Edit: Ha! Seems Seashore_518203 caught one of the two in Salt Lake City.

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Only 120K for 9 months, to do the testing the manufacturer should be doing? Bloody criminal that demo's are not provided IF they want the sale

Ah well, at least it's not 2 million, but I'm sure they wasted that already on other things...

Its as lease, well thats what the BYD rep told im in Montreal last week.

LADOT apparently has a fleet of BYD's, but, they are 25' and painted in their livery. I've been searching for pics trying to compare Edmonton's and haven't had much luck. BYD only just completed their first 2 buses on the California production line. Presumably any others produced to date have had a lot of work done in China. 1 bus appears to be a match, however, for a bus in a photo used in the Journal, but that's the only photos I've found online of that bus.

Edit: Ha! Seems Seashore_518203 caught one of the two in Salt Lake City.

LADOT only had one for a demo

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stopped by DL and got these shots

Thx for the photos, Inside out looks exactly the same as the one tested by STO and STM, although being claimed as 2nd generation due to more power and battery improvement

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Thx for the photos, Inside out looks exactly the same as the one tested by STO and STM, although being claimed as 2nd generation due to more power and battery improvement

No the 1st 2 that are on lease until Oct are the 1st generation. The 2nd lease/demo later this year for 2 more will be 2nd generation

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No the 1st 2 that are on lease until Oct are the 1st generation. The 2nd lease/demo later this year for 2 more will be 2nd generation

i don't think it's 4 buses they are going to test, i will confirm it with BYD

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i don't think it's 4 buses they are going to test, i will confirm it with BYD

Thats what the rep said but also its hard to understand his english.

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byd-ebus.jpg

Just one of these visible outside today.

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Thats what the rep said but also its hard to understand his english.

i don't think he means 4 buses trust me

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i don't think he means 4 buses trust me

He did clearly state they would try both the 1st and 2nd gen's

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Intel I have right now is that the current 2 buses run from May-October.

However, at a prior City Council meeting it was stated the test for for 9 months. Either the test is cut back, or else it is plausible additional vehicles will arrive after October. Indeed, part of the test is cold weather. Pointless to end a 9 month test that's meant to include cold weather in October.

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Fleet numbers are E-1 and E-2, I will updated the wiki as soon as I can get some photos of E-2. E-1 is built in Jan 2013, with programmed signs from Salt Lake City, UT

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Fleet numbers are E-1 and E-2, I will updated the wiki as soon as I can get some photos of E-2. E-1 is built in Jan 2013, with programmed signs from Salt Lake City, UT

I noticed the small number 2 on the back of that unit. Wonder what happened to 6000 series for testing?

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Wow. $120k to test it for 9 months?? Pricey. Hmm hopefully I'll see it this summer when I visit Edm.

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