Jump to content
Benjamin

Question About Orion, New Flyer with 6V92/Voith

Recommended Posts

I have a question: were there any U.S. transit agencies who ran their Orion I's, V's and/or New Flyers with the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and Voith transmission?

This was the powertrain of choice in Canada for the following:

YORK REGION TRANSIT (MARKHAM TRANSIT) (MARKHAM, ON)
2033-2036 - 1988 Orion I 01.508
2044-2047 - 1989 MCI Classic TC40-102N
2048-2052 - 1990 MCI Classic TC40-102A
2053-2054 - 1991 Orion V 05.501

YORK REGION TRANSIT (RICHMOND HILL TRANSIT) (RICHMOND HILL, ON)
511-524 - 1989 New Flyer D40 (T-drive) (renumbered 8911-8924 by YRT)

YORK REGION TRANSIT (EX-GO TRANSIT)
1130-1132 - 1987 Orion I 01.508 (renumbered 8710-8712 by YRT)

BRAMPTON TRANSIT (BRAMPTON, ON)
8894-8899 - 1988 Orion I 01.508
8901-8909 - 1989 Orion I 01.508
9014-9028 - 1990 Orion I 01.508
9129-9137 - 1991 Orion V 05.501
9176-9180 - 1991 New Flyer S40HF (ex-GO Transit)

CALGARY TRANSIT (CALGARY, AB)
7001-7010 - 1992 New Flyer D40HF (V-drive)

MISSISSAUGA TRANSIT (MISSISSAUGA, ON)
9020 - 1990 Orion V 05.501

OAKVILLE TRANSIT (OAKVILLE, ON)
901-907 - 1990 Orion V 05.501
928-929 - 1992 Orion V 05.501

DURHAM REGION TRANSIT (OSHAWA TRANSIT)
8121-8123 - 1987 Orion I 01.508 (Oshawa 121-123)
8124-8128 - 1989 MCI Classic TC40-102N (Oshawa 124-128)
8129-8132 - 1990 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 129-132)
8133-8136 - 1991 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 133-136)
8137-8141 - 1992 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 137-141)
8142-8145 - 1994 Orion V 05.501 (Oshawa 142-145)

DURHAM REGION TRANSIT (WHITBY TRANSIT)
8311-8315 - 1990 Orion V 05.501 (Whitby 9011-9015)
8316 - 1991 Orion V 05.501 (Whitby 9116)
8317 - 1992 MCI Classic TC40-102A (Whitby 9217)
8318 - 1994 Orion V 05.501 (Whitby 9418)
8319 - 1988 MCI Classic TC40-102A (Whitby 8819, originally to Queens Surface Transportation, NY 943)

But here (in the U.S.), this same powertrain could be found on the following buses:

BEE-LINE (WESTCHESTER COUNTY, NY)
760-874 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 40102-6T

MIAMI-DADE COUNTY TRANSIT AUTHORITY (MIAMI, FL)
9067-9073 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 40102-6T

GREATER PORTLAND TRANSIT DISTRICT (PORTLAND, ME)

9005-9021 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 35102-6T

FRESNO AREA EXPRESS (FAX) (FRESNO, CA)
9001-9023 - 1990 Flxible Metro "B" 40102-6T
9101-9112 - 1991 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC

ALAMEDA-CONTRA COSTA (AC) TRANSIT (OAKLAND, CA)
1469-1483 - 1984 Gillig Phantom 40TB/96/6V92
2601-2652 - 1990 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC
2701-2731 - 1991 Gillig Phantom 30/102TB/6V92TAC

2732-2761 - 1992 Gillig Phantom 30/102TB/6V92TAC
2801-2860 - 1993 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC

SACRAMENTO REGIONAL TRANSIT DISTRICT (SACRAMENTO, CA)

9001-9045 - 1990 Gillig Phantom 40/102TB/6V92TAC

QUEENS SURFACE TRANSPORTATION (QUEENS, NY)
943 - 1988 MCI Classic TC40-102A (to Whitby Transit 2005, renumbered there as 8819)

LEHIGH AND NORTHAMPTON TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY (LANTA) (LEHIGH, PA)

8721-8730 - 1987 Orion I 01.502 (30 ft)

8931-8935 - 1989 Orion I 01.502 (30 ft)

8936-8950 - 1989 Orion I 01.507 (35 ft)

BROOME COUNTY TRANSIT (BINGHAMTON, NY)

601-617 - 1987 Orion I 01.508 (40 ft)

Getting back to my original question, does anyone here know whether or not there were any U.S. transit companies (other than LANTA in PA) that had at one time ran any of Orion I's, Orion V's and/or New Flyer D40HF's or D40LF's with the Detroit Diesel 6V92TA/Voith (D863 or D864) powertrain?

I know BC (British Columbia) Transit in Vancouver (BC) ran many 1991-93 New Flyer D40LF's (1st generation) which used the 6V92TA/Voith as the powertrain... but did any U.S. agencies order the same for their D40LF's?

Thank you,



Ben

Edited by Benjamin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was going to point out if you folks knew of any U.S. transit agencies that may have had at least two different makes/models of buses with the same powertrain.

For example, FAX of Fresno, CA ran both 1990 Flxible Metros and 1991 Gillig Phantoms with the 6V92TA/Voith. UPDATE: LANTA in Lehigh, PA also had three fleets of Orion I's all with this powertrain - numbered 8721-8730, 8931-8935 and 8936-8950 (the latter most being 35 feet).

But I wonder if there was at least one transit agency out there - in the U.S. - that had Flxible Metros, Gillig Phantoms, and Orion I's or V's that were all specified with the 6V92TA/Voith and/or the Cummins L10/Voith (besides TriMet and FAX)? I could picture one TA as running both Flxible Metros and Orion I's with the same powertrain.

~Ben

Edited by Benjamin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

London Transit 1989 Classic and Orion V have that setup.

Are you sure? I know the V's did but I thought the classics were Allison.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you sure? I know the V's did but I thought the classics were Allison.

London's 1989 Classics had Voith. The rest, including the 1990s, had Allison. London's 1990 Classics were some of the first with a VR731, IIRC.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

AC Transit's later 1984 and 1990-1993 Gillig Phantoms all had 6V92TA's and Voith D863.3's.

Meaning no overdrive?

~Ben

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's just the way how they sounded. Best were 2813, 2824, 2859 and 2860.

After they had been repowered to Cummins ISMs, I would nominate 2816, 2842, 2844, 2854 that had the best sound.

I believe 2842 was the first bus to be repowered.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 92's. Just like how the VTA 92's sounded similar to 93's M11.

Hmm, I read VTA's 92's and 93's were Flxibles. Those units had Voiths? How were AC's 1984 Gilligs with Voiths compared to their 93's?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmm, I read VTA's 92's and 93's were Flxibles. Those units had Voiths? How were AC's 1984 Gilligs with Voiths compared to their 93's?

Yes, VTA's 9200s/9300s were Flxibles, and yes they did have Voiths.

The 1984 Phantoms (units 1469-1483) had a mechanically-controlled 6V92TA engine whereas the 1990-93 Phantoms had the DDEC (Detroit Diesel electronic controls) version of the same engine. Other than that they performed more or less the same.

~Ben

Edited by Benjamin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmm, I read VTA's 92's and 93's were Flxibles. Those units had Voiths? How were AC's 1984 Gilligs with Voiths compared to their 93's?

I have a sound clip of 1481, let me find a photo and then upload to Youtube.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a sound clip of 1481, let me find a photo and then upload to Youtube.

In the meantime, here is Zack Willhoite's video of a 1985 Phantom with the same powertrain (Pullman Transit 104).

~Ben

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, VTA's 9200s/9300s were Flxibles, and yes they did have Voiths.

The 1984 Phantoms (units 1469-1483) had a mechanically-controlled 6V92TA engine whereas the 1990-93 Phantoms had the DDEC (Detroit Diesel electronic controls) version of the same engine. Other than that they performed more or less the same.

~Ben

That's interesting.

I have a sound clip of 1481, let me find a photo and then upload to Youtube.

What is your YouTube channel name?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...