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Milwaukee County Transit System (“MCTS”) has awarded New Flyer a contract for 90 Xcelsior diesel 40-foot heavy-duty buses.

The contract for 90 Xcelsior XD40 buses contains a firm order of 55 buses with options for an additional 35 buses. The 55 buses are anticipated to begin production in the first quarter of 2013. All buses are expected to be delivered by the summer of 2013.

MCTS and New Flyer have a longstanding partnership, built over the last 16 years with 691 New Flyer buses built over that time span. With an active fleet size today of approximately 409 buses delivered, MCTS currently operates a 100% New Flyer fleet.

“This bus order will be MCTS first experience with New Flyer’s Xcelsior model.

http://www.newflyer....milwaukee_award

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I've updated the MCTS Wiki page to reflect delivery of the 5500-series XD40s and to correct the powertrains on the 5100-5300 series buses (which are Allison transmissions, not Voiths). Any help in clarifying the status of the older New Flyers would be appreciated.

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I can't help with the status of any MCTS buses but I want to say thanks for your wiki work! I appreciate all of the wiki editors.

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Photos of 5603 (new XD40) featured in a bizjournal article:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/blog/2015/09/what-do-you-get-for-460-000-see-one-of-milwaukee.html#g4

Includes interior shots and the Cummins ISL in the back.

Interesting that they've switched to the Freedman/4ONE Angel model seat vs. the old standard American Seating 6468 model. I assume it is cheaper to just buy the entire interior from Freedman once you get the Q-Pod option for the mobility device securements. Hard to tell, but it looks like they're still using straight plexi for the rear section windows. I guess the vandalism on their buses is still pretty bad.

Nice find, thanks for sharing.

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You're welcome! Here's another story:

Source: http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2015/10/03/county-transit-unveils-new-line-of-buses/

While the new buses look cosmetically the same as the old ones, the interior has seen many upgrades. The doors have switched to an electronic smart door system that will open automatically. The rear door, which previously had to be pushed in order to be opened when the bus was stopped, now features a touch sensor.

“You can say ‘open sesame’ in front of the sensors and the door will open,” said Schultz.

While the doors are the change most passengers will notice right away, there are a few other improvements as well. The new buses are equipped with RELS technology, which stands for Reduced Engine Load at Stop. RELS allows the transmission to switch to a reduced load state while the vehicle is stopped, much like shifting a car into neutral. This change aims to reduce the amount of fuel consumed and pollution expelled by buses.

The new bus also has improved air disc brakes, air suspension, and electric fans. While the first of the 28 new buses hit the road yesterday, the rest will start running in the following weeks. On top of these new buses, the Milwaukee County Transit System has seen many improvements recently, including a new card reader system and Real-Time bus route information

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Recent news from Milwaukee:

Milwaukee County advances grant request for BRT hybrids, orders more diesel buses

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The Milwaukee County Transportation, Public Works and Transit Committee authorized Wednesday the filing of a federal grant application to buy battery-powered electric buses for Milwaukee's bus rapid transit line from downtown Milwaukee to Wauwatosa.

The Wisconsin Department of Transportation will send off the grant application requesting $9.6 million in Federal Transit Administration grant funding for those buses.

Milwaukee County Transit System will use grant money to buy 11 electric buses. If MCTS doesn't receive the grant money, it will still pursue hybrid electric buses for the BRT, which would use diesel fuel when batteries for the buses run low. MCTS has yet to select a vendor for the hybrid buses and the selection process for a bus vendor won't happen until MCTS receives the FTA grant.

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In addition to signing off on the FTA grant Wednesday, the transit committee also authorized MCTS to execute a $28 million, multi-year contract with California-based Gillig Corp. for the initial purchase of 28 diesel buses, and a minimum purchase of 32 additional buses over a period of up to four years.

 

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Hey everyone,  just giving you a quick update on the MCTS Roster since it's been awhile 

As of June 16th,  they're only: 

3 4700 series (2003) D40LFS ( 4740 ,4742 and 4746) and 15 4800 series (2004) D40LFS  ( 4801, 4803, 4804, 4808, 4810, 4817-4819, 4822-4825, 4827-4829) left in service and are all expected to be retired by the end of summer or when the rest of the 5900 series Gillig BRT's enter service whatever comes first. 

speaking of the 5900 series , they are the first Gillig Buses ordered by MCTS in 17 years. 5900-5918 are active; currently entering service and all 28 will be assigned to the Fond Du Lac (FDL) garage once the remaining 9 buses (5919-5927) are ready to go.  The Kinnickinnic (KK) garage will receive their batch (6000-6022 or 6023 series) around spring of next year 

They are the first buses to have white LED destination signs (with the exception of 5713- a 2016 XD40), and new anti-slip floors, which helps people board and exit the bus without failing when it's raining or snowing outside.  They have the Cummins L9 engine paired with the Allison B3400xfe transmission,  which are similar to the 5700 and 5800 series xcelsior XD40's (2016-5700-5729 and 2017-5800-5814) respectively 

That's all from me for now,  I'll provide more info on the ride quality and or a pic of one of them in the near future, unless someone beats me to it first lol. Until then, here's a more detailed link of the buses, including a quick YouTube video on them. Take care. Randy .😎

https://www.ridemcts.com/about-mcts/news/new-gillig-buses-2019

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What's going on everyone  just giving you a quick update on the entire MCTS roster

4600-4639: New Flyer D40LF-April 2002-All retired

4607, 4614, 4617, 4626, 4632, 4633 & 4639 were converted as fare collection buses for Summerfest & Wisconsin State Fair for 2 seasons (2014-2015).

4636 returned to service in July 2017 during Summerfest and retired after that.

4700-4750: New Flyer D40LF-Feb. 2003-2 active as of June 21, 2019

4740, 4746 Active

4701, 4702, 4706, 4728 & 4743 returned to service from Wednesday, June 26 to Friday July 7, 2017 during Summerfest and retired after that.

Remaining to be retired by new buses by summer 2019.

4733 was the last remaining 4700-series bus with the old MCTS color scheme.

4735, 4742, 4744 Inactive

4800-4829: New Flyer D40LF-January 2004-6 active as of June 21, 2019

4801, 4817, 4819, 4823-4825 Active

All to be retired by new buses in near future.

4811 was the only remaining 4800-series bus with the old MCTS color scheme.

4803, 4804, 4806, 4808, 4810, 4811, 4813, 4818, 4821, 4822, 4827, 4828, 4829 Inactive

4900-4914: New Flyer D40LF-October 2004-9 Active as June 21, 2019

4901, 4902, 4905, 4906, 4909-4912, 4914 Active

Officially "2005" as that is when they were paid for; a future purchase for 15 more buses (4915-4929) were canceled due to cuts.

A few to be retired by new buses in near future.

4900, 4903, 4904, 4907, 4908, 4913 Inactive

5000-5008: New Flyer D40LF-January 2006-5000-5007 active

A future purchase for 23 buses (5009-5031) were canceled due to cuts.

5008 retired early due to engine issues

5100-5189: New Flyer D40LFR-August 2010 All active

First buses to feature near-zero emissions

5200-5234: New Flyer D40LFR -April 2011:5200-5218, 5220-5234 active

5219 retired early due to accident

5300-5354: New Flyer D40LFR- March 2012 All active

5400-5454: New Flyer XD40 July 2013- All active

Clean air buses; First fleet in MCTS' history to feature rear destination signs on the back of the bus.

5500-5534: New Flyer XD40-January 2014-All active

Clean air buses

5600-5627: New Flyer XD40 October 2015-All active

Clean air buses with new interior features, such as an automatically opening electronic smart door at the back of the bus.

2 were canceled due to increased costs. NO 5628 & 5629.

5601 & 5603 used for demonstrations for MCTS Fleet Maintenance Tour.

5601 was first new bus in service on Route 19 on Friday October 2, 2015.

5700-5729: New Flyer XD40 August 2016-All active

5713 features a white front LED destination sign

All in service as of Dec. 2, 2016.

5800-5814:New Flyer XD40 September 2017-All active

Buses are 41 feet long.

5801 was on display on Aug. 16, 2017 at the Newaukee Festival Market in Downtown Milwaukee.

5807, 5813 were used for demonstrations for MCTS Fleet Maintenance Tour.

5814 in service as of November 11, 2017.

NO 5815, 5816.

5900-5927: Gillig Advantage BRT June 2019-5900-5926 active; currently entering service

First buses to have white LED destination signs (with the exception of 5713), and new anti-slip floors.

As promised here's my update on the 5900 series Gillig BRT's 

• basically all of them are in service and can now be found on almost any route based out of the Fond du lac (FDL) garage 

• strangely enough though , they're not very active on the weekends,  at least not right now, compared to the weekdays , but I expect that to change with Summerfest starting this Wednesday. 

• the anti-slip floors are just that, anti-slip. Unless you're clumsy or not paying attention,  in my opinion at least,  you have no reason to slip and fall boarding /exiting the bus regardless of the weather conditions. 

• the seating position difference between these and a D40LF, LFR or a XD40 is unbelievable.  I kid not,  out of all the times I have set at the front of any bus in MCTS'S fleet I have never felt so low to the ground until I rode on one of these BRT'S... the seats are comfortable tho, so that's a plus 🤷🏽‍♂️

• for the ride experience itself: honestly, at least for now, I personally have no complaints or haven't heard any from the drivers or other passengers.  There's no shakes or rattling noises whatsoever.  They handle bumps and road deformities like a champ, and even with the Cummins L9/ Allison B3400XFE powertrain,  these bad boys are impressively quick,  especially with the right driver , compared to the 2016-17 XD40's with the same transmission..

That's all from me and I know this is long thread lol, but I wanted to give ya'll a full, complete breakdown of our roster since I haven't seen one from anyone else on here.  Take care 😎

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48 minutes ago, RandyG2689 said:

the seating position difference between these and a D40LF, LFR or a XD40 is unbelievable.  I kid not,  out of all the times I have set at the front of any bus in MCTS'S fleet I have never felt so low to the ground until I rode on one of these BRT'S

Yep. The "bathtub effect".

I have plenty of, um, opinions on Gilligs... but I'll refrain while you get used to 'em in Milwaukee. Surely it's exciting to see something different. Follow up frequently to report if it's an improvement.

Elsewhere in the Midwest... COTA in Columbus recently did the opposite: after 100% Gillig for many years, their newest order is New Flyer. Early reports are positive.

Thanks for the extensive info/update.

 

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15 hours ago, Border City Transit said:

Yep. The "bathtub effect".

I have plenty of, um, opinions on Gilligs... but I'll refrain while you get used to 'em in Milwaukee. Surely it's exciting to see something different. Follow up frequently to report if it's an improvement.

Elsewhere in the Midwest... COTA in Columbus recently did the opposite: after 100% Gillig for many years, their newest order is New Flyer. Early reports are positive.

Thanks for the extensive info/update.

 

Does anyone know why did COTA switch to New Flyer?

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Hey what's going everyone,  just giving you a quick update. 

As of July 10th,  All of the 5900 series Gillig low floor BRT'S (5900-5927) are in active service and with the exception of at least one driver that I know of, are well liked amongst the other drivers and passengers,  been hearing alot of positive feedback , especially in regards of the new anti-slip floors.  In my personal  opinion they have definitely been a benefit  in improving the riding experience.

As far as for the other buses in the mcts fleet,  very little has change.

• the two remaining 03 D40LFS from the 4700 series:  4740 and 4746 are still active,  but are sparsely used as well as the 5 04 4800 series D40LFS:  4801 ( which was used as a summerfest information bus and is no longer in active revenue service)  4817, 4819, and 4823-4825 are pretty much only used during the rush hour now and just in my personal opinion,  I believe those remaining buses will probably be retired by the end of the month or after the WI state fair in August (1-11).

Lastly bus #5334 a 2012 D40LFR has been retired due to catching fire on the 4th of July . No injuries thank goodness,  but the bus is a complete loss 

That's all for now and if it's there anything significant that happens with the fleet  I'll be back . Until then I see ya'll soon.

P. S, if anyone can update the Roster for MCTS on the cptdb wiki with the info from my previous post I'd appreciate it 😎. Anyway,  peace out 

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15 hours ago, RandyG2689 said:

Hey what's going everyone,  just giving you a quick update. 

As of July 10th,  All of the 5900 series Gillig low floor BRT'S (5900-5927) are in active service and with the exception of at least one driver that I know of, are well liked amongst the other drivers and passengers,  been hearing alot of positive feedback , especially in regards of the new anti-slip floors.  In my personal  opinion they have definitely been a benefit  in improving the riding experience.

As far as for the other buses in the mcts fleet,  very little has change.

• the two remaining 03 D40LFS from the 4700 series:  4740 and 4746 are still active,  but are sparsely used as well as the 5 04 4800 series D40LFS:  4801 ( which was used as a summerfest information bus and is no longer in active revenue service)  4817, 4819, and 4823-4825 are pretty much only used during the rush hour now and just in my personal opinion,  I believe those remaining buses will probably be retired by the end of the month or after the WI state fair in August (1-11).

Lastly bus #5334 a 2012 D40LFR has been retired due to catching fire on the 4th of July . No injuries thank goodness,  but the bus is a complete loss 

That's all for now and if it's there anything significant that happens with the fleet  I'll be back . Until then I see ya'll soon.

P. S, if anyone can update the Roster for MCTS on the cptdb wiki with the info from my previous post I'd appreciate it 😎. Anyway,  peace out 

I edited most of what you said in your last few posts, lemme know if I missed anything 

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8 hours ago, Thomasw said:

I edited most of what you said in your last few posts, lemme know if I missed anything 

I appreciate that, the only thing that needs to be updated at least right now is the fleet number for the Gillig BRT'S.  Since MCTS ordered 28 of them  and all are active ., the numbers are 5900-5927,  not 5900-5922. Other than that,  everything else looks good.  I'll also let you know if the remaining 4700 and 4800 series D40LFS are retired as soon as I can since I haven't seen any in person or on the MCTS bus tracker in a week 

Again thanks alot 😎👌

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What's going on ya'll,  just a quick and final MCTS roster update from me for a while. 

As of July 11th , the 4700 and 4800 D40LFS from 2003 and 04 are officially retired due to the 28 Gillig low floor BRT'S being active. So if anyone can update the cptdb wiki and the Milwaukee county transit system page on wikipedia since some troll blocked me from editing it myself 🙄😒🤦🏽‍♂️  I'd appreciate it. 

That's all from me for now ...  TTYL 😎

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