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On 4/23/2022 at 8:12 PM, MCIBUS said:

With the drivers window tilted inwards on the Orion V's & VI's did the tilted drivers window really reduce "glare"?

If so I wonder why the Orion VII's never had it as well as other bus models/manifacturs?

Yes, the Orion V/VI design does indeed help reduce glare.

The Dx0LF also has a good windshield design to reduce glare. The LFR's not so much.

Also the XE40's have a good windshield design that virtually eliminates glare.

As for the VIIs, the glare was *alright* on them. Not perfect, but alright.

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On 10/15/2022 at 1:41 AM, Loud-Invero said:

Here's a photo of OC Transpo 8608 at Bayshore Station, running as Route 2X Blair, in 2002. Photo By "Volgren Boy", edited by me.

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Interesting that the bus was signed as the 2X.  The Bayshore-to-Blair run was the full length of route 2, and the 2X normally operated only as far west as Westboro Station.

At the time, routes 2 and 85 were tied for the longest time taken between the terminals, at ninety minutes each.  That's the reason route 12 was created in 2009 to cover the downtown-to-Blair portion of route 2, and route 106 was created in 2008 to cover the Hurdman-to-Elmvale section of route 85.

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Some new Paul Bateson photos!

9250 is seen resting at St. Laurent Garage on June 26, 1992.

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9101 is at St. Laurent Garage on June 26, 1992 after being painted in a full wrap for Q Country 101 FM.

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9129 is at St. Laurent on 124 Gloucester on Sept 22, 1991.

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9232 is seen on 124 Blair beside The Bay on June 26, 1992.

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9210 is at St. Laurent Garage on June 26, 1992.

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9214 and 9209 are seen freshly delivered at St. Laurent garage on June 26, 1992.

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Lastly, 8787 is seen out of service at St. Laurent Garage on June 26, 1992.

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Interesting note: According to Bob Heathorn's photos of recently delivered Orion Vs on Barp, the 1991 and 1992 Orion Vs actually came out of the factory without the kneeling function, same with the 1991 MCI Classics. Paul Bateson's photos show that the 1992 Orion Vs had their kneel function retrofitted about a month after delivery, while the 1992 D40s came with it already and the 1991 buses got it at the same time. 

I also noticed that the GM Classics still had no rear door lights or kneeling in 1992, so this means they might have retrofitted them later during rebuilds in 1996-1997 (I would need to look for passenger side photos from 1993-1996 to be sure).

After looking on Barp at recently delivered D40s as well as some Paul Bateson photos, I'm pretty sure the 1992 D40s were the first to come with the kneeling feature by default.

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I could be mistaken, but I think the overhead rear lights above the rear doors started in either 1989 or 1990? Which later on they where added to all of OC buses. GM New Looks, Classics & Orion's V's & Orion III. The 1990 & 1992 NFI D40H had them from the factory?

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Gone today, but never forgotten. I've recovered many photos from former Geocities sites using the wayback machine. I've unfortunately lost the source URL, and who took the photos, but I still wanted to share them with the information I recall. Photos by unknown, remastered by me with AI.

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When the 2nd gen Orion Vs first came on to the scene in 1997, they originally had a white stripe where the headlights were. This was quickly painted over in red to match the rest of the front by the late 90s. 9702's photo was taken at Billings Bridge Station in mid to late 1997.

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Here is CommuniBus 8591 (Orion II) laying up at St. Laurent station about to operate as Route 123 Local North (Rothwell Heights) in February 1997. Even to my surprise, many Orion IIs were actually painted into the KFC scheme. Orion II we're predominantly used on lowridership routes, Tele-Transpo runs, and on the 300 series CommniBus Routes that alternated between Orion II and the new 97' 40ft LFS, depending on ridership. These buses would eventually been phased out in favour of 40 ft buses, which IIRC, was actually because of the MTO and not OC Transpo, as for example, Hastings Loop (Grandview) in Nepean North was too narrow for any 40-ft bus to do 3 point/u-turn, where as the Orion Is and IIs could easily do such a maneuver to avoid traveling the whole length twice.

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Here is OC 8732 seen staged near the Ottawa Winterlude in 1997. During Winterlude, OC Transpo would actually run shuttles from various parts of the city to Winterlude and back. Routes were numbered between 301-309, and OC Transpo would add a special film to the rollsign, featuring a snowflake background indicating it's a winterlude route. Like the C-Routes OC Transpo operated to the Gray Cup in 2003(4?), not much is known about the Winterlude routes, where they operated, and when they were dissolved in favor of existing bus service. Certainly Ottawa-Carleton had a better view of transit services to events than the current city of Ottawa, where they would offer public shuttles to events (Dragon Boat Race, etc) quite often until about 2004.

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Here is OC 9709 and 9037 seen at St-Laurent Station in 1997. Once again showcasing the original Orion V paint scheme that came with the bus upon delivery. Beside the Orion V is a D40 which is seen in its original livery it was given in 1989.

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Speaking of Orion V, here's 9238 seen at Baseline station in February 1997, finishing up its trip on the 156. If I'm not mistaken, it eventually was repainted into the leaf livery and had its rollsign removed in favour of an electronic sign, whether MegaMax Flipdot, Balios, or Luminator Sign.

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Lastly, here's 9201 seen with an interesting ad-wrap. Not sure what government department/company paid for the ad wrap, but it is seen in it's original Livery with a "Celebrate Canada - Fly the flag!" wrap. This photo was taken at Billings Bridge station, I believe also in Summer 1997. Hope you enjoyed this photo dump. I do have more but I'll save that for later.

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I'm not sure of what make the destination signs where, but if I recall the Orion V's had this Lime-Green colour signs, the Novs LFS had the same. I'm not sure but I believe NFI D40's the same, but for some reason I think 1 NFI D40 had an Orange sign. As for the OrionVI's I think they where either Orange or Green can't remember which?

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All 91/92 Orion Vs were repainted into leaf except for 9137, 9142, 9144, 9145, and 9147. Those five were the first rebuilt and it was before they introduced the new livery at council in September 1999. All the others were rebuilt after that period so those got the leaf. 

9201 is interesting because it was retrofitted to have Balios signs later on, meaning 9201 was a test bus for Luminator signs. There's actually a chance it could have had Luminator signs as far back as 1994 (they said only one bus had digital signs, but never said explicitly which bus) according to an old Google Groups posting from the mid 90s.

All 1991-1992 Orion Vs also had Luminator signs installed shortly before rebuild (around 1998).

 

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On 11/6/2022 at 5:25 PM, MCIBUS said:

I could be mistaken, but I think the overhead rear lights above the rear doors started in either 1989 or 1990? Which later on they where added to all of OC buses. GM New Looks, Classics & Orion's V's & Orion III. The 1990 & 1992 NFI D40H had them from the factory?

With 9001-9055, the 1990 D40s. They had only a single light positioned right over the then divider between the 2 doors. When either or both were open, the light was blocked! A good idea, but poorly carried out. The 1992 D40s, and everything later, had 2 lights, one centered over each door; that model was adopted for retrofits though not for 9001-9055.

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On 11/8/2022 at 7:48 AM, MCIBUS said:

I'm not sure of what make the destination signs where, but if I recall the Orion V's had this Lime-Green colour signs, the Novs LFS had the same. I'm not sure but I believe NFI D40's the same, but for some reason I think 1 NFI D40 had an Orange sign. As for the OrionVI's I think they where either Orange or Green can't remember which?

 

If I remember correctly the 97 Orion Vs and Nova LFS were the first full order of buses where the entire order came from factory with the digital signs (green) along with the new colours (KFC). But before that in the mid 90s there was one bus in the old red stripe livery but with a digital destination screen. I feel like it was an Orion V but maybe it was a D40. Been many years.

On 11/8/2022 at 12:39 PM, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

All 91/92 Orion Vs were repainted into leaf except for 9137, 9142, 9144, 9145, and 9147. Those five were the first rebuilt and it was before they introduced the new livery at council in September 1999. All the others were rebuilt after that period so those got the leaf. 

9201 is interesting because it was retrofitted to have Balios signs later on, meaning 9201 was a test bus for Luminator signs. There's actually a chance it could have had Luminator signs as far back as 1994 (they said only one bus had digital signs, but never said explicitly which bus) according to an old Google Groups posting from the mid 90s.

All 1991-1992 Orion Vs also had Luminator signs installed shortly before rebuild (around 1998).

 

Actually, this must be the bus I was thinking of. And yes it had that sign definitely in the mid 90s, well before the 97xx orders. I remember it was an exciting one to see because it was "futuristic" and unique in the sea of roller signs. Funny because at the end of the day when they all switched you realize the roller signs were actually always way easier to read.

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6 hours ago, whistler said:

 

If I remember correctly the 97 Orion Vs and Nova LFS were the first full order of buses where the entire order came from factory with the digital signs (green) along with the new colours (KFC). But before that in the mid 90s there was one bus in the old red stripe livery but with a digital destination screen. I feel like it was an Orion V but maybe it was a D40. Been many years.

Actually, this must be the bus I was thinking of. And yes it had that sign definitely in the mid 90s, well before the 97xx orders. I remember it was an exciting one to see because it was "futuristic" and unique in the sea of roller signs. Funny because at the end of the day when they all switched you realize the roller signs were actually always way easier to read.

If 9201 was the test bus from 1994, it's also noteworthy in that it was the only bus to briefly have Luminator signs AND still have air conditioning (at least until 1996), the others got the digital signs well after their A/C got disabled.

From online photos so far, it seems like most of the early Orion Vs got their signs retrofitted in 1998-1999, so looks like 9201 was the pilot bus. 

I did find one post on the old CPTDB from 2003 saying that the early Orion Vs started being retrofitted with digital signs in 1995, but until I find more evidence of that, it seems like they were definitely retrofitted starting in 1998.

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This is unrelated, but this might be interesting, so I'm posting it here. Speaking of A/C, I found a post from June 2003 (from octranspobusfreak) saying that one 1993 Classic still had A/C working (possibly 9322). I also found another post from 2003 saying OC had a meeting in 1998 and people brought up the issue of no A/C on buses. In response, they did a trial where they re-enabled the A/C on 9111-9116. From what I gather, the A/C performance wasn't good on the buses except 9113. According to this trial, they said that the cost to reconnect A/C would have been too high and so they didn't continue with the project. So they did consider it and test it out, but ultimately didn't go through with it.

I also saw an OC Transpo specification sheet of buses listing rear door type, engine, transmission, etc and for 9111-9119 they put a note saying they still had Carrier A/C (while not listing it for the rest of the 91xx Classics), suggesting that they kept it after the trial.

As for that 1993 Classic, it's possible that it fell through the cracks or just was one of the very few buses to have it re-enabled for whatever reason.

link to 9322 a/c post:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030905012254fw_/http://users6.cgiforme.com/cptdb2/messages/13439.html

link to OC bus meeting post:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030926194402fw_/http://users6.cgiforme.com/cptdb2/messages/10252.html

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29 minutes ago, Loud-Invero said:

Pretty interesting even for 1998, they got an infobox map that predates 1993, kinda looks like this.

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I don't know exactly when OC adopted that map for route 7, but a different style of map was used when the route started serving Manor Park and Rockcliffe in June 1989.  It was much more angular and showed St. Laurent Blvd. and Bank Street running vertically.  I have a 1989 route 7 timetable somewhere but I haven't been able to find it since I last moved, nearly fourteen years ago. 🤔

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