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Back in August 2010, 8058 was at Halton, so how could they have possibly accounted for it in the report?

Furthermore, that report, and any other piece of information, be it in official written form or unofficial rumour and innuendo, is not set in stone. The original plan didn't call for 2252 to be retained at all. Decisions are made based on the condition and status of the equipment, not some year written in some report.

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My bets are on door #3 since Byford left.
Nothing get saved, and the ridiculous charter fee increases ensure that none of the historic fleet moves again….therefore making a bad faith justification to dispose of all of them.

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1 hour ago, TTCNLFBT said:

It's funny that.  According to the TTC August 2010 report, it's says two 1983s GM buses are being kept.  2345 and 2444 are 1983s.  While 2252 is 1982 and 8058 is 1975.  Since 2252 is an 1982 and is restored.  I wouldn't be surprised if 2345 and 2444 are preserved buses than 8058.

When I saw 2444 a few years ago it was stripped of almost everything. 2345 was also stripped.

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Have a look at the current streetcar charter rates and tell me you still think I’m funny.

I can tell you the “special quote” for the PCC and CLRV entails paying for a dedicated supervisor and maintenance truck chasing, in addition to the LFLRV rate, and that’s not even considering the refusal to equip any of the historic cars with pantographs.

Without those, they’ll be condemned to static display only in 3-4 years at best.

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On 5/14/2022 at 11:43 AM, TTCNLFBT said:

It would be cool if the TTC moves GM New Look 2252 to Birchmount division.  Why?  Because back then, 8752 was based there when she was brand new.

No, it's slated to go to Queensway for service on 50 BURNHAMTHORPE.

On 5/14/2022 at 5:54 PM, MCIBUS said:

Only 1 bus? I'm surprised I would of thought they'd have more then that? Like perhaps 3 or 4 different type of buses?

Come to Etobicoke, we have an entire Museum Division (according to some posters here).

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1 hour ago, Bus_Medic said:

@TTCNLFBT

Have a look at the current streetcar charter rates and tell me you still think I’m funny.

I can tell you the “special quote” for the PCC and CLRV entails paying for a dedicated supervisor and maintenance truck chasing, in addition to the LFLRV rate, and that’s not even considering the refusal to equip any of the historic cars with pantographs.

Without those, they’ll be condemned to static display only in 3-4 years at best.

 

The TTC charter price escalation has been legendary for at least 10 years now so it shouldn't be news to anyone except new people.

The problems with the historic fleet unfortunately run a bit more extensive than the refusal to put pantographs on them.  4500 has been sidelined for a couple of years even before the pandemic started because the wheels need to be replaced.  The treads are thin enough that they got condemned, apparently.  This one I actually believe; if you look at charter pictures from 25+ years ago, you can see how thin the wheels were in the late 1990s and add in what use it had before the TTC skyrocketed charter prices which caused use to drop off a cliff.  2766 was always very infrequently chartered because of the requirement to have an extra car on either side.  This was hung on a report written by Ray Corley and the justification was no track brakes.  Merited or not, this policy priced 2766 so high that Peter Witt charters were very rare when they were possible and it hasn't even been listed as available on the TTC charter page in four or five years, maybe more.

The fact that a CLRV or PCC is a "request quote" item basically means it's now in the category of if you have to ask, you can't afford it.  So yes, the TTC has been told to keep a historic fleet, it isn't usable or accessibly priced anymore.  Malicious compliance is still compliance.  With Rick Leary here, they're going to become the equivalent of 3295 and the Type 5 except you can at least see those from one of the platforms at Boylston unlike here where they're stored out of sight.

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2 hours ago, Ed T. said:

No, it's slated to go to Queensway for service on 50 BURNHAMTHORPE.

Sorry it's already been to Queensway before.  When it had the 2019 Toronto Raptors Championship wrap.

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10 minutes ago, TTCNLFBT said:

Sorry it's already been to Queensway before.  When it had the 2019 Toronto Raptors Championship wrap.

Getting it there from the east end was the best assignment I ever had.

Bringing 7072 off the island the back way via Billy Bishop airfield is a close second.

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7 minutes ago, TTCNLFBT said:

I guess you took her on the highway, right?

Only to the bottom of the dvp. Then lakeshore to Spadina until I finally made the connection that lakeshore was closed by the ex for precisely the parade I was trying to stage this thing for, so west from king to Roncesvalles, Queensway west from there. 
Nobody was watching the clock on a Sunday, I was having a ball with all the waves and thumbs up.

As long as I got it there without a scratch with enough time to arrive back at malvern for the end of my shift, everyone was happy. 
Mission was accomplished.

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1 minute ago, Bus_Medic said:

Only to the bottom of the dvp. Then lakeshore to Spadina until I finally made the connection that lakeshore was closed by the ex for precisely the parade I was trying to stage this thing for, so west from king to Roncesvalles, Queensway west from there. 
Nobody was watching the clock on a Sunday, I was having a ball with all the waves and thumbs up.

As long as I got it there without a scratch with enough time to arrive back at malvern for the end of my shift, everyone was happy. 
Mission was accomplished.

Awesome!  During the June 2019 private charter that I attended, there were lots of people honking horns going by.  At one point a TTC operator from the route 90 Vaughan uses her I-pad to take a photo of 2252 going by.  She was outside the bus.

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6 minutes ago, TTCNLFBT said:

Awesome!  During the June 2019 private charter that I attended, there were lots of people honking horns going by.  At one point a TTC operator from the route 90 Vaughan uses her I-pad to take a photo of 2252 going by.  She was outside the bus.

My memory is a bit fuzzy but is that the charter where we took it near the airport ? 

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20 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

4500 has been sidelined for a couple of years even before the pandemic started because the wheels need to be replaced. 

Does anyone know when the last time 4500 saw public use was? I last photo'ed it in the 2017 Beaches Easter parade.

The depths to which the historic fleet has sunk is truly depressing.

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6 minutes ago, T3G said:

Does anyone know when the last time 4500 saw public use was? I last photo'ed it in the 2017 Beaches Easter parade.

I believe in the Summer of 2017.  I have photos of 4500 along with 2766, 4032 & 4042 (escort car) on the 509 on Canada Day.  Sometime in the mid to end of August 2017 it was swap to 4549 on the 509.  Since then TTC stopped putting PCC's on that route.

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1 hour ago, T3G said:

Does anyone know when the last time 4500 saw public use was? I last photo'ed it in the 2017 Beaches Easter parade.

The depths to which the historic fleet has sunk is truly depressing.

 

1 hour ago, TTCNLFBT said:

I believe in the Summer of 2017.  I have photos of 4500 along with 2766, 4032 & 4042 (escort car) on the 509 on Canada Day.  Sometime in the mid to end of August 2017 it was swap to 4549 on the 509.  Since then TTC stopped putting PCC's on that route.

2017 sounds about right.

I don't think we're going to see PCCs back on the Harbourfront, at least not this year for sure.  Remember they stopped it and Brad Ross said something to the effect that it wasn't because they couldn't, but they needed to concentrate on keeping the CLRVs running with the pandemic happening right after keeping the CLRVs running became a non-issue.  Now it's the overhead wire and lack of pantographs.  One of the justifications the TTC had for the insane charter rates was that the public didn't need to charter the PCC, they could go ride it down on the Harbourfront except even that got taken away without any return in sight.

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10 hours ago, T3G said:

Does anyone know when the last time 4500 saw public use was? I last photo'ed it in the 2017 Beaches Easter parade.

The depths to which the historic fleet has sunk is truly depressing.

It’s a good barometer of general morale in the place.

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On 5/16/2022 at 12:31 PM, Wayside Observer said:

With Rick Leary here, they're going to become the equivalent of 3295 and the Type 5 except you can at least see those from one of the platforms at Boylston unlike here where they're stored out of sight.

When I think of 3295, like I said in the previous post, this is what I comes to mind from the same place Leary is from:

PCC 3295

Somewhere between Yonge and Bathurst, I realized I was on the TTC’s 3295 which actually probably can be chartered despite Leary, not that it’s particularly interesting.

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10 hours ago, GZ6113PHEV5 said:

Was the charter in 2019 the last time 2252 went out in public?

No, United Way public tours from Greenwood to Leslie Barns.

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