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1 hour ago, Orion VI said:

I found an hour long video from 1992 (looks to be a home video) where ex TTC 7523's "farewell tour of toronto" occurs. In the video, it starts at a garage on a hoist, receiving small repairs (looks to be harvey?), then goes through a wash, and circulates throughout Toronto, tracing the path of various routes, entering different garages/carhouses and even what looks to be going on a route out of a BD station. I think it's retired in the video, and is in the hands of private owners. At the end, the owners switch out the Ontario plates for California ones, and drive into the US, and visit a bus company there. My question is, can a private owner of a former TTC bus drive through TTC property if there are no TTC decals on the bus? (Obviously not, but can they get permission to do this?) 

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I'll have to watch this end to end later because of the running time of the video, but what I can say about what they did in it, you need to consider how different the TTC and Toronto, and world in general of 1992 was compared to what we're stuck with now 29 years later.

But damn, a minute and a half in, Feb 27, 1992 on the west side of Avenue Rd. at Otter loop looking up past Havergal towards Lawrence, that's heartbreaking.  The wires are all still there.  This Fishbowl was probably the last red and cream bus to come down the road there since the Flyers had been kiboshed two months earlier.

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5 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

I'll have to watch this end to end later because of the running time of the video, but what I can say about what they did in it, you need to consider how different the TTC and Toronto, and world in general of 1992 was compared to what we're stuck with now 29 years later.

But damn, a minute and a half in, Feb 27, 1992 on the west side of Avenue Rd. at Otter loop looking up past Havergal towards Lawrence, that's heartbreaking.  The wires are all still there.  This Fishbowl was probably the last red and cream bus to come down the road there since the Flyers had been kiboshed two months earlier.

Yeah, pre 9/11, pre WTC bombing, even pre Oklahoma City bombing. Not to mention transit involved ones like 7/7 in London. I meant to ask if it was allowed then, not now.

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1 hour ago, Orion VI said:

Yeah, pre 9/11, pre WTC bombing, even pre Oklahoma City bombing. Not to mention transit involved ones like 7/7 in London. I meant to ask if it was allowed then, not now.

Possibly most importantly in the Toronto context, pre subway crash.  That moment marked a sea change in attitude at the TTC.


Was it officially allowed?  Not really, trespassing has always been a no-no but if they asked and someone said yes in each of those locations, or got it all pre-arranged, then sure.

What I was getting at was back then, things were a lot - a lot - more relaxed and it was a lot easier to get that yes compared to now, and if they just went ahead and did it anyways, the reaction, if there was one, to it would’ve been much less strong than what would happen now.

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3 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

Possibly most importantly in the Toronto context, pre subway crash.  That moment marked a sea change in attitude at the TTC.


Was it officially allowed?  Not really, trespassing has always been a no-no but if they asked and someone said yes in each of those locations, or got it all pre-arranged, then sure.

What I was getting at was back then, things were a lot - a lot - more relaxed and it was a lot easier to get that yes compared to now, and if they just went ahead and did it anyways, the reaction, if there was one, to it would’ve been much less strong than what would happen now.

I know a year or two ago, Rapido brought their fishbowl to Hillcrest.

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Transit Toronto captions a picture they have of the excursion as a "charter, right after the bus's retirement". I can't see how that is accurate, as the bus has a different plate than it's TTC one, and the video outlines it being driven into the US... (Although that would explain the ability to drive on TTC property, but the person driving it in the picture is different to the one driving it in the video)

Here's the photo in question: Transit Toronto Image: TTC 7523 19920418

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10 hours ago, Orion VI said:

Transit Toronto captions a picture they have of the excursion as a "charter, right after the bus's retirement". I can't see how that is accurate, as the bus has a different plate than it's TTC one, and the video outlines it being driven into the US... (Although that would explain the ability to drive on TTC property, but the person driving it in the picture is different to the one driving it in the video)

Here's the photo in question: Transit Toronto Image: TTC 7523 19920418

Off topic somewhat,  but does anyone know the reason as to why the TTC didn't buy GMC RTS 04s and/or Flexible 870/Metros back in the day?

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1 hour ago, Chris.A said:

Off topic somewhat,  but does anyone know the reason as to why the TTC didn't buy GMC RTS 04s and/or Flexible 870/Metros back in the day?

They weren’t built in Canada for starters…

Also, why have two duplicate parts inventories for GM buses, especially when the RTS reliability record was spotty at best.

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On 10/11/2021 at 10:09 PM, Bus_Medic said:

They weren’t built in Canada for starters…

Also, why have two duplicate parts inventories for GM buses, especially when the RTS reliability record was spotty at best.

What? The RTS bus was a well beloved all American Advanced Designed transit bus when it first debuted back in the late 1970s. The 01's and 03's might have had issues, but the 04's were a very solid product.

Canada couldn't buy American buses?

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4 hours ago, Chris.A said:

What? The RTS bus was a well beloved all American Advanced Designed transit bus when it first debuted back in the late 1970s. The 01's and 03's might have had issues, but the 04's were a very solid product.

Canada couldn't buy American buses?

There have been minimum levels of Canadian and Ontario manufacturing content in transit purchases to support the local manufacturing base in order to qualify for funding from the senior levels of government.  It's not too dissimilar from the various "Buy American" policies you see south of the border.  Even going back as far as the PCC cars, only the body shells were imported.  Pretty much everything else made here including the final assembly at the Can-Car Turcot yard and the batch that were done in Thunder Bay.

The only time I can think of that the TTC bought new 100% imported revenue vehicles would've been the Gloucesters.  Used equipment is a different story though.  The did pick up some used buses at various times, used trolley coaches, and a ton of used PCC cars, but by virtue of buying on the used market, they had to pick them up where they came up when they came up.

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20 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said:

There have been minimum levels of Canadian and Ontario manufacturing content in transit purchases to support the local manufacturing base in order to qualify for funding from the senior levels of government.  It's not too dissimilar from the various "Buy American" policies you see south of the border.  Even going back as far as the PCC cars, only the body shells were imported.  Pretty much everything else made here including the final assembly at the Can-Car Turcot yard and the batch that were done in Thunder Bay.

The only time I can think of that the TTC bought new 100% imported revenue vehicles would've been the Gloucesters.  Used equipment is a different story though.  The did pick up some used buses at various times, used trolley coaches, and a ton of used PCC cars, but by virtue of buying on the used market, they had to pick them up where they came up when they came up.

So I assume that is why Canada don't seem to have Gilligs?

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5 hours ago, Chris.A said:

What? The RTS bus was a well beloved all American Advanced Designed transit bus when it first debuted back in the late 1970s. The 01's and 03's might have had issues, but the 04's were a very solid product.

Canada couldn't buy American buses?

Word is, many Canadian transit agencies didn't take much to the radical RTS design, so GM introduced what was basically an upgraded version of the NewLook, the Classic, for the Canadian market (some US buyers purchased them too). And even then, a few agencies opted to continue buying NewLooks as late as 1986.

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8 hours ago, Chris.A said:

What? The RTS bus was a well beloved all American Advanced Designed transit bus when it first debuted back in the late 1970s. The 01's and 03's might have had issues, but the 04's were a very solid product.

Canada couldn't buy American buses?

Don’t ask the question if you don’t like the answer.

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October 23, 2011: Classics 6221 and 6223 photographed in the deadline at Mount Dennis in the presence of some other GM buses.

This was one of the most interesting catches I grabbed in my early days of taking photos, as I'd been hoping for a chance to get 6221 with its GM plate since 2008.

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I cannot believe it's been 10 years since then 🤢

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5 hours ago, PCC Guy said:

October 23, 2011: Classics 6221 and 6223 photographed in the deadline at Mount Dennis in the presence of some other GM buses.

This was one of the most interesting catches I grabbed in my early days of taking photos, as I'd been hoping for a chance to get 6221 with its GM plate since 2008.

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I cannot believe it's been 10 years since then 🤢

About time for them to move to Queensway, then?

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