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There is a thread with a post somewhere outlining the process to replace others photos with your own. If I remember correctly you have to ask permission of the copyright holder, or photographer, of the original photo that you want to replace. Otherwise you can't replace an existing photo on a page.

Honestly it should be done with any map, that way we have a nice history built up of the routes!

Renamed the route 39 maps and added a previous maps section to the page. Thoughts?

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I put that there to (hopefully) prevent people from uploading two images under the same suffix.

Open to everyone - Before I go ahead and do it, would a poll on asking permission to replace a photo on a page be a good idea to settle this?

I think not because some people can be ignorant and want their photo on the fleet charts. (Probably that is what happened on the TTC 94XX page). The old photo may be bad but when you ask permission to replace it they may argue "how better is your photo compared to mine". Another issue can be that if an editor that is no longer active, there is a good chance that you will not get a response of yes or no. I strongly feel that the rule should be that you can replace people's photos on the wiki if it is absolutely better than the existing one without asking for permission. Like at the bottom of each page when you edit any pages on the wiki, it says "Please note that all contributions to CPTDB Wiki may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors." If someone has an issue with it they can just write on their talk page to settle it.

This is just my opinion on how to settle this since we have not finalized it yet.

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I have been thinking on this for the past few days, which obviously goes to prove that I have no life and really need to get out more, beside from work.

Anyway I remember Orion VIII originally suggested an individual page for each bus. Now while this would allow multiple shots to be uploaded it may lead to shots of the same angle, which unless it has some difference would be basically boring.

Anyway while I am not suggesting an individual page for each bus, unless the powers that be want this, how about creating a separate page, or even a section for additional photos at the bottom for a gallery, that allows others to upload their photos.

Of course I would still like to hear from Ashton, maybe I will send him a PM, unless he has already discussed this with others and allowing them to make a decision.


I strongly feel that the rule should be that you can replace people's photos on the wiki if it is absolutely better than the existing one without asking for permission.

The problem with that is that photography is subjective. You may think the new photo is better, but others may not agree.


Renamed the route 39 maps and added a previous maps section to the page. Thoughts?

Great job Kevin, exactly what I was suggesting!

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The problem with that is that photography is subjective. You may think the new photo is better, but others may not agree.

I understand that and people may not agree but its not possible to make it to everyone's requirements. Its just going to cause a bigger issue

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I understand that and people may not agree but its not possible to make it to everyone's requirements. Its just going to cause a bigger issue

Yes I agree, so that starts revert wars on the wiki hence why the initial suggestion to not replace the photo already uploaded.

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My opinion on the topic is this: Photos should only be replaced by ones of substantially or obviously better quality. This is the easiest way to ensure that reverts and edit wars don't happen. Don't replace a 'meh' photo with an 'okay' photo. Also, I don't think permission should need be asked, for the two reasons noahrp24 mentioned.

The Wiki should not be seen as a photo gallery, although some members tend to treat it this way. I would also prefer to not have an entire fleet or system's photographs to be taken by one person. If you want to upload a few of your best photos to a page, fine, but seeing something like 10-20 photos by the same person in a 50-bus fleet...

EDIT: Also a little something I just thought of... There was one circumstance recently where there was a high quality rear shot already uploaded (on a fleet page with many other photos already), and someone replaced that photo with a not-great front shot (IIRC it was shadowed or off-centre or slightly blurred or something similar). Stuff like this should probably be avoided, as rear shots are acceptable, and probably also a good thing to have some variety of shots from different angles.

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The Wiki should not be seen as a photo gallery, although some members tend to treat it this way. I would also prefer to not have an entire fleet or system's photographs to be taken by one person. If you want to upload a few of your best photos to a page, fine, but seeing something like 10-20 photos by the same person in a 50-bus fleet...

Agree with this statement. I noticed users seem to keep uploading sub par photos constantly and it gives off the impression that they're treating the wiki as a photo gallery as you mentioned.

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Hey, thanks D40LF for messaging me about this.

I don't really have a preference. As was pointed out earlier, content can be modified at any time. This is the nature of a wiki and if you are reverting more than twice, start the conversation with the person you are fighting with. Post a topic here if you really want to ask people which photo is better to display.

I agree that photos should have different filenames if they are of the same unit. Photos should generally be of good quality, and I would say the most recent photo should be displayed as a thumbnail on a roster page, unless there is some significance to the current photo. I am OK with better quality photos replacing poor quality photos (preferably not having poor quality photos on there in the first place unless it is a rare find).

Others may disagree and I am OK with open discussion on this matter. Just be respectful of other peoples' photos and work.

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I've given him a warning about replacing and naming. I've also renamed/deleted some of the images.

I'm not quite understanding the TTC route map reverting though. Older maps have been replaced by newer ones in the past by other editors.

Now that he is back he is just ignoring the warning and uploading maps with the same 'current' name. Guess this guy hasn't learnt his lesson!

Plus his photo of TTC 7224 is really, really bad and needs to be deleted.

http://www.cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=File:Toronto_Transit_Commission_7224-a.jpeg

EDIT: Found out that photo replaced a much better image , Toronto Transit Commission 7224-a.jpg, so I have reverted it.

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Now that he is back he is just ignoring the warning and uploading maps with the same 'current' name. Guess this guy hasn't learnt his lesson!

Plus his photo of TTC 7224 is really, really bad and needs to be deleted.

http://www.cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=File:Toronto_Transit_Commission_7224-a.jpeg

EDIT: Found out that photo replaced a much better image , Toronto Transit Commission 7224-a.jpg, so I have reverted it.

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To be fair, the map naming is not actually in the Bus Routes or Photo Name sections of the Naming Conventions or even with most of the TTC ones currently.

I think we should add that the maps must have the upload date or when the map was published in brackets to those sections. What are editors feelings on this? (open to everyone)

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To be fair, the map naming is not actually in the Bus Routes or Photo Name sections of the Naming Conventions or even with most of the TTC ones currently.

I think we should add that the maps must have the upload date or when the map was published in brackets to those sections. What are editors feelings on this? (open to everyone)

I suggest the name of the map and then the year of the map. I'll explain why in a bit. For example if you wanted TTC route 37 you would make this Toronto Transit Commission route 37 (2015)-a.PNG

If it was 37A then you would make it Toronto Transit Commission route 37A (2015)-a.PNG

The reason why I would just put the year is because people may not know exactly what month it was published so if you put 2015, and -a, you would know that the map is the first 2015 edition. But if there is a second edition of the map in that same year, you would put -b. Whole reason for this is so we won't have to have people keep searching for the correct month.

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