rider1 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Are these to be the same talent model as they have now ? and Is OC keeping the original 3? Good plan to twin the tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Are these to be the same talent model as they have now ? and Is OC keeping the original 3? Good plan to twin the tracks I hoped they would get a follow on order of Metrolinx Sumitomos or some other FRA compliant DMU which might have introduced a bit more operational flexibility in access to the yard but also to institute starter services on mainline approaches in Ottawa with a view to a future bilevel rollout.The Alstom EuroDMUs allow an easier cutover from the Talents because of the ability to co-exist but keep the service shackled within its regulatory limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollsign29 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 The Alstom EuroDMUs allow an easier cutover from the Talents because of the ability to co-exist but keep the service shackled within its regulatory limitations. Hopefully they have English controls this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 and Is OC keeping the original 3? Nope. They will be retired and probably stripped for parts for European users. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollsign29 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Nope. They will be retired and probably stripped for parts for European users.Dan How many new trains are on order? And what are the internal specs? Diesel-mechanical (like the existing trains) or diesel-electric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 How many new trains are on order? And what are the internal specs? Diesel-mechanical (like the existing trains) or diesel-electric? http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/news/ottawa-picks-alstom-for-six-dmu-trainsets.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Coradia_LINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 I didnt realize that they existing units are so worn out. Did they fulfill their existing lifespan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollsign29 Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/news/ottawa-picks-alstom-for-six-dmu-trainsets.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Coradia_LINT Ok, that only answered how many (six). But is Ottawa sticking with diesel-mechanical propulsion or going with diesel-electric.If I had the call, I'd go D-E to allow for the same units to be converted upon possible electrification of the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Ok, that only answered how many (six). But is Ottawa sticking with diesel-mechanical propulsion or going with diesel-electric. http://www.nsfsc.com/available_rolling_stock/default.asp?NCID=199&S=&NID=143I believe the Sumitomo DMUs are d/hyd too and are convertible (though I'd much rather see them redeployed and EMUs acquired when the time comes). It may be that modern powerpacks and drivetrains are sufficiently modular to make it not that important what the diesel set up is is so much as stuff like whether one or more cars has necessary structure, conduiting and space to fit a panto, maybe a 25kV transformer and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider1 Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 WHen they twin the tracks, are they going with continuious weld rail ? or sectional? I havn't been on the o train since its first yr running. Didn't tthey upgrade the track at one point? Something else too, is the dows lake tunnel wide enough for double track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oc4526 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 WHen they twin the tracks, are they going with continuious weld rail ? or sectional? I havn't been on the o train since its first yr running. Didn't tthey upgrade the track at one point? Something else too, is the dows lake tunnel wide enough for double track? Woh there Rider1. Oc is only building 2 passing sections (Gladstone and Brookfeild). As twinning the whole line would involve blasting the pit and building a second tunnel under dows lake. Edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider1 Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Ahh ok, that explains alot... , i had no idea what they were up to, aka a piece of the line,?? the whole thing.??..etc oh well, at least they starting to pay attention to the O train, and doing some upgrades. the buses and the light rail seemed to be in such a mess,. that the O seemed to slip under the radar looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsbuspage Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Oc is only building 2 passing sections (Gladstone and Barnsdale?). I think you mean Brookfield (http://www.octranspo...2044#news-62044). Barnsdale is in Manotick! I havn't been on the o train since its first yr running. Didn't tthey upgrade the track at one point? The O-Train tracks are continuously welded from Bayview to Greenboro. I can't remember exactly when the upgrade was done but it was during the summer fairly early in the O-Train's service life, and it required bus replacement service for the entire summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oc4526 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think you mean Brookfield (http://www.octranspo...2044#news-62044). Barnsdale is in Manotick! Post edited. Thanks was 3/4 dozing off on a Brampton Züm Xcelsior at the time of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flalex72 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/News/Ottawa/Upgrades+mean+Train+down+four+months+starting+April/7167891/story.html Confirmation of the dates of closure for next summer. It's no coincidence that those are the dates that Carleton U is on summer term, as it would have a major impact on the school to do it any other time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Does anyone have a handle on why exactly Gatineau doesn't want O-Train extended across PoWB? I've seen it said they oppose but don't have a clear idea of why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollsign29 Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Politics. All of a sudden, you're dealing with two of everyone (namely, Ontario and Quebec). I can see that as a reason. Wasn't Gatineau going to do a busway or something along the rail line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oc4526 Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Does anyone have a handle on why exactly Gatineau doesn't want O-Train extended across PoWB? I've seen it said they oppose but don't have a clear idea of why. Politics. All of a sudden, you're dealing with two of everyone (namely, Ontario and Quebec). I can see that as a reason. Wasn't Gatineau going to do a busway or something along the rail line? That would be correct. Rapibus Another big factor is the costs involved refurbishing the bridge and building ether a underpass or overpass on the Quebec side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 If the line terminated at Alexandre-Tache and Montcalm at the far end of the Parc des Portageurs (where there was rail in situ whenever the Google car went past last) then it shouldn't conflict with the Rapibus anyway which will terminate (for now) at Alexandre-Tache and Hadley - instead if the Rapibus extended down to the junction 300m south as part of the Aylmer extension OC Transpo could be providing a big demand boost, while if whatever issues are preventing an O-Train spur to YOW figured out surely there would be an attraction to a fast 1-change connection between Ottawa Airport and the Rapibus catchment. Unfortunately it's hard to see the new regime in Quebec City doing much to supercede the local interest in regards to knitting the two sides of the river together, since they would want to see a customs post on that Lemieux Island passing loop :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsbuspage Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Unfortunately it's hard to see the new regime in Quebec City doing much to supercede the local interest in regards to knitting the two sides of the river together, since they would want to see a customs post on that Lemieux Island passing loop :angry: I know what you mean. The Outaouais is pretty much a dead zone politically whenever the PQ are in power because voters have voted Liberal/Federalist in every provincial election and referendum in all five ridings for at least the last thirty years. That said, the extension of Highway 50 between Buckingham and Lachute was approved when Lucien Bouchard was the PQ premier of Quebec, if only to give truckers an all-Quebec option to get from Gatineau to Montreal, thereby avoiding the hated rest-of-Canada as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucktunes Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 If the line terminated at Alexandre-Tache and Montcalm at the far end of the Parc des Portageurs (where there was rail in situ whenever the Google car went past last) then it shouldn't conflict with the Rapibus anyway which will terminate (for now) at Alexandre-Tache and Hadley - instead if the Rapibus extended down to the junction 300m south as part of the Aylmer extension OC Transpo could be providing a big demand boost, while if whatever issues are preventing an O-Train spur to YOW figured out surely there would be an attraction to a fast 1-change connection between Ottawa Airport and the Rapibus catchment. I had hoped they would have an O-Train station there as well. It could have been used by the federal employees at the Terrasses de la Chaudière buildings and by tourists at the Holiday Inn Express. Does anyone know if the old mill buildings located in front of the Terrasses are protected ? Or have they already been demolished ? I haven't been there for years. I know what you mean. The Outaouais is pretty much a dead zone politically whenever the PQ are in power because voters have voted Liberal/Federalist in every provincial election and referendum in all five ridings for at least the last thirty years. That said, the extension of Highway 50 between Buckingham and Lachute was approved when Lucien Bouchard was the PQ premier of Quebec, if only to give truckers an all-Quebec option to get from Gatineau to Montreal, thereby avoiding the hated rest-of-Canada as much as possible. I like the 50. Used it to bypass Montreal traffic to get to Quebec several times. Now if Quebec would build a high speed train line from Gatineau to Quebec city, north of the St. Laurent. I'd use it. It also appears that the O-Train will not likely make it's way up to the casino. The city wants their own and will likely want to keep the money on this side of the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsbuspage Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Does anyone know if the old mill buildings located in front of the Terrasses are protected ? Or have they already been demolished ? I haven't been there for years. The old buildings are still there, though I doubt that they are protected. The NCC is champing at the bit to turn the area into either a park centred on the Chaudière Falls, or the new home of the Canada Science and Technology Museum. Hydro Québec still generates power at the site, but I think it would be a great idea to open up the area to the public. As an aside, I spent a few months working at the Domtar plant on Booth Street before it was closed, and I was able to get up nice and close to the falls while I was there. As for Highway 50, I'm all in favour of the road as well, though I wish Transport Québec would do a better job of maintaining the lane markings. I once drove back to Ottawa from Montebello on a cold February night and it was scary not being able to see the centre line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucktunes Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The old buildings are still there, though I doubt that they are protected. The NCC is champing at the bit to turn the area into either a park centred on the Chaudière Falls, or the new home of the Canada Science and Technology Museum. Hydro Québec still generates power at the site, but I think it would be a great idea to open up the area to the public. An O-Train station next to the new Canada Science and Technology Museum would be great. Kids would love that. BTW, Hydro Ottawa bought the Chaudière Falls power generation plant last June and are expecting to expand it. As an aside, I spent a few months working at the Domtar plant on Booth Street before it was closed, and I was able to get up nice and close to the falls while I was there. As for Highway 50, I'm all in favour of the road as well, though I wish Transport Québec would do a better job of maintaining the lane markings. I once drove back to Ottawa from Montebello on a cold February night and it was scary not being able to see the centre line! I've lived in the area since 1986 and have never found the time to just walk around the falls. Argh ! Hopefully they'll get the line in before my next trip to Laval next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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