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Y-U-S line becoming too long?

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If they are to spend massive money in splitting the line, they might as well split the line with a new spur north of Bloor-Yonge and have the Yonge line route down that new spur (possibly on Bay street) which can extend to King/Bay. This can turn Bay street into an interchange station too but the station would have to be under Lower Bay. This would allow they to rebuild Bloor-Yonge with a Spanish solution and have the University Line go around the U to terminate at Bloor-Yonge in morning rush hour.

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A more sensible (for some value of 'sensible') scheme would be to create two parallel Yonge lines south of Eglinton. The current subway becomes the local line, to Eglinton only, running around to Vaughan/Midland/Wawa. Take the north Yonge part, which already has long stop spacing, and continue it south with stops at Eglinton, St. Clair (maybe?), Bloor, and somewhere by City Hall. Probably run it under Bay St as proposed above.

Extra points for using Lower Bay station--that's a foamer dream. 😁

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On 5/28/2020 at 8:44 PM, nfitz said:

Last time I checked, the travel time from Richmond Hill Centre on the subway would be about a minute or two slower than the subway. But far less waiting for a train, with trains every couple of minutes at peak, compared to long waits.

Surely anyone travelling to any station on Yonge, they'll be riding this line. And many using Union as well - even if the fare was the same.

That may be the case, but rush hour has a way of adding additional minutes with the (pre-pandemic) passengers requiring additional dwell time.  Especially if the cars are already packed and people are trying to squeeze themselves onto the train.  How much moreso will this be when Line 5 is completed and funnelling additional passengers to Eglinton Station?

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5 hours ago, Gil said:

That may be the case, but rush hour has a way of adding additional minutes with the (pre-pandemic) passengers requiring additional dwell time.  Especially if the cars are already packed and people are trying to squeeze themselves onto the train.  How much moreso will this be when Line 5 is completed and funnelling additional passengers to Eglinton Station?

That was the rush-hour schedule. Though yes, stuff does happen, and things have certainly been slower in recent years between Bloor and Eglinton, with various issues.

But once the new signalling system is in, and trains are automated, then the gains increase. The station downtown with the most arrivals in AM peak is Dundas - that's not going to be served by GO. Even walking from a GO Train platform to King can take near 15 minutes by the time you get off the train, and off the platform, and fight the crowds.

And those boarding at Vaughan will be the ones with the seats all the way to King or Union.

Perhaps the reason that demand on the Richmond Hill GO line shows such pathetically low increases in the long-term modelling compared to all the other lines, once the network is complete.

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22 hours ago, nfitz said:

That was the rush-hour schedule. Though yes, stuff does happen, and things have certainly been slower in recent years between Bloor and Eglinton, with various issues.

But once the new signalling system is in, and trains are automated, then the gains increase. The station downtown with the most arrivals in AM peak is Dundas - that's not going to be served by GO. Even walking from a GO Train platform to King can take near 15 minutes by the time you get off the train, and off the platform, and fight the crowds.

And those boarding at Vaughan will be the ones with the seats all the way to King or Union.

Perhaps the reason that demand on the Richmond Hill GO line shows such pathetically low increases in the long-term modelling compared to all the other lines, once the network is complete.

One of the trip time losses is the Rocket trains due to their extremely slow door opening and closing times compared to older trains.  Trip from Finch to Queen used to be at least 3 minutes faster before the new trains came about.  ATC won't help with the door issue, but should help with the north bound travel times for trains approaching Finch Station.  From my daily (pre pandemic) commute: southbound around 7:15-7:30 from Finch to Queen is at best 28 min, northbound 5:30-6;30 is never better than 35 min, but more often than not 40-45 min.  In the old days it was more like 25 min from Finch to Queen.

Also, what exactly do you mean by "The station downtown with the most arrivals in AM peak is Dundas"? 

Finally, walking a long the street from King Station to Union is less than 15 minutes even with people on the street,  In the Path it would be slightly less efficient since it is less direct than outside.

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Doors don't seem to have added much south of Bloor or on the University line. North of Bloor extra time all seemed to be slow orders for track, and work areas. But I'm more often on Line 2 than 1 (or I used to be BC).

What the times like ... say between Wilson and Union now, compared to the old trains, without the track issues, and with ATC completed?

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1 hour ago, nfitz said:

Doors don't seem to have added much south of Bloor or on the University line. 

Doors add the same amount of time per station regardless of where the station is located.

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6 hours ago, Mike said:

Doors add the same amount of time per station regardless of where the station is located.

Precisely! I haven't observed much change - not now it's all been in place for a while. I have observed the trip north of Bloor to Eglinton is slower than it used to be - I don't think it's doors.

In AM rush hour, there are more passengers egressing at Dundas station than any other station south of Bloor. The Richmond Hill GO doesn't help anyone who is exiting north of Queen, or entering south of Highway 7. And little to those using King ... as far are going to choose to take the Richmond Hill line with it's infrequent service, over a subway train departing every 2 minutes, that adds a 15-minute walk at the south end ... and takes longer to get from Highway 7 to Union than the subway will take to get to King!

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