TechnicianKeith Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 13 hours ago, ORION said: The parts for getting the rear axle are next to impossible. If they suffer serious failure let alone snap, the company that produced them is no longer around. The Vicinity Classic now comes in only 32ft with duel tires and no more super singles. The lifespan of these buses is maximum 10 years and I doubt they would last even that long. Oakville Transit's 2016s are starting to show their age... only a matter of time until they are slowly phased out. It's probably easier to just sell them off for parts to someone like Oakville to keep their fleet running than look around for parts to reactivate them for Welland, because if they do manage to find parts it'll definitely be expensive. 14 hours ago, G.A said: So basically Welland neglected their fleet badly to the point of not being roadworthy. Pretty much. Welland is infamous for pushing buses well beyond their limits. A lot of their buses were run 6 or 7 days a week and missed multiple service intervals, causing serious issues. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Squishy Bus Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 16 minutes ago, TechnicianKeith said: It's probably easier to just sell them off for parts to someone like Oakville to keep their fleet running than look around for parts to reactivate them for Welland, because if they do manage to find parts it'll definitely be expensive. Pretty much. Welland is infamous for pushing buses well beyond their limits. A lot of their buses were run 6 or 7 days a week and missed multiple service intervals, causing serious issues. Burlington & Welland have units with a Voith D854.6, so I think they could and should go to Burlington more than Oakville. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonov AN-225 Mriya Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 13 hours ago, ORION said: The parts for getting the rear axle are next to impossible. If they suffer serious failure let alone snap, the company that produced them is no longer around. The Vicinity Classic now comes in only 32ft with duel tires and no more super singles. The lifespan of these buses is maximum 10 years and I doubt they would last even that long. Oakville Transit's 2016s are starting to show their age... only a matter of time until they are slowly phased out. At the 2024 OTE trade show, I spoke to the Vicinity sales team and they told me that the Vicinity Classic shortest model is 32 feet, followed by the longer 35 feet and 38 feet. They said they listened to their customers and confirmed that the 385 single-tire model had been discontinued. New Vicinity Model now come with Hande rear axle , new model will be dual 275 in rear 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Squishy Bus Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 On 6/22/2024 at 11:50 AM, Antonov AN-225 Mriya said: At the 2024 OTE trade show, I spoke to the Vicinity sales team and they told me that the Vicinity Classic shortest model is 32 feet, followed by the longer 35 feet and 38 feet. They said they listened to their customers and confirmed that the 385 single-tire model had been discontinued. New Vicinity Model now come with Hande rear axle , new model will be dual 275 in rear Didn't they use to have a 27.5' model, or was that exclusive to BC? On 6/22/2024 at 11:33 AM, TechnicianKeith said: It's probably easier to just sell them off for parts to someone like Oakville to keep their fleet running than look around for parts to reactivate them for Welland, because if they do manage to find parts it'll definitely be expensive. Pretty much. Welland is infamous for pushing buses well beyond their limits. A lot of their buses were run 6 or 7 days a week and missed multiple service intervals, causing serious issues. How come they were the only units purchased? Welland could've gotten more to replace their entire 40' fleet, sending them to Niagara / St. Catherines. The one thing I'm confused about, is how come BRIST went bankrupt? Weren't they part of Voith? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiExpress Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 18 minutes ago, The Squishy Bus said: Didn't they use to have a 27.5' model, or was that exclusive to BC? How come they were the only units purchased? Welland could've gotten more to replace their entire 40' fleet, sending them to Niagara / St. Catherines. The one thing I'm confused about, is how come BRIST went bankrupt? Weren't they part of Voith? The rear axle on the 27'/30' Vicinity is a Graziano low profile axle in a transverse V-Drive configuration. The front axle is BRIST. Graziano axle division was sold to Dana in 2019 and the rear axle used in the 27'/30' Vicinity doesn't appear on the Dana website which indicates it has been discontinued, as Orion said. Seems that rear axle configuration was a maintenance hassle so the discontinuation of 27' and 30' models and moving to 32'/35'/38' T-Drive offerings only might actually be a welcome improvement. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonov AN-225 Mriya Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 36 minutes ago, The Squishy Bus said: Didn't they use to have a 27.5' model, or was that exclusive to BC? How come they were the only units purchased? Welland could've gotten more to replace their entire 40' fleet, sending them to Niagara / St. Catherines. The one thing I'm confused about, is how come BRIST went bankrupt? Weren't they part of Voith? They do, Vicinity did sell some of the 27.5-foot models to several Transit agencies, BC Transit being one of them. Vcinity now still offer 27.5 foot vehicle, but that will be 28 foot Vicinity Lightning EV. Regarding the axles on the Vicinity Classic series, Vicinity Classic currently uses axle products from three manufacturers in its range. Rear Axle: 27.5-foot and 30-foot models feature the BRA81DC80 drop centre (V-drive) drive shaft from Garaziano(a subsidiary of Dana Incorporated), which features 385 single tires. 32-foot and 35/38-foot models feature the HanDe Axle (a subsidiary of Weichai Power) 12-ton class single reduction axle with duel 275 tires on rear axle not 385. Front Axle: BRIST Alxe Systems (Voith) TJ58-225 Dana and Garaziano's website remove the V-Drive axle product's since late 2022, xu I notice , Dana and Garaziano's website remove the V-drive axle product's since late 2022, look like is discontinued. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicianKeith Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Squishy Bus said: Didn't they use to have a 27.5' model, or was that exclusive to BC? How come they were the only units purchased? Welland could've gotten more to replace their entire 40' fleet, sending them to Niagara / St. Catherines. The one thing I'm confused about, is how come BRIST went bankrupt? Weren't they part of Voith? They were originally purchased by Welland for service on Port Link and Port Colborne Community. Then Port Colborne dropped Welland for NRT on demand, leaving Welland with 2 buses that were never really meant for any "in-town" route other than 504 Fitch. The Vicinitys are too small to handle ridership on 99% of NRT's routes. Edited June 23 by TechnicianKeith Edit: typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Squishy Bus Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 12 hours ago, TechnicianKeith said: They were originally purchased by Welland for service on Port Link and Port Colborne Community. Then Port Colborne dropped Welland for NRT on demand, leaving Welland with 2 buses that were never really meant for any "in-town" route other than 504 Fitch. The Vicinitys are too small to handle ridership on 99% of NRT's routes. From what I know, Fort Erie also has basically no transit system. Couldn't 1170 (or whichever unit's not retired), be used there? Fort Erie has basically no connector route, isolating it from the NRT network. Could there be one by chance? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Fort Erie went from a three route system to a demand response system a couple of years ago. Presently, the Fort Erie-Niagara Falls route runs hourly with a four hour gap between the hours of 7:30 and 11:30am, but continues service until 9:20pm. Connections to the Niagara Falls-Welland buses (60-65 are at Concentrix or the Canada Drive Hub (old Niagara Square mall) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Squishy Bus Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 On 6/24/2024 at 8:45 AM, map.man (Darrin) said: Fort Erie went from a three route system to a demand response system a couple of years ago. Presently, the Fort Erie-Niagara Falls route runs hourly with a four hour gap between the hours of 7:30 and 11:30am, but continues service until 9:20pm. Connections to the Niagara Falls-Welland buses (60-65 are at Concentrix or the Canada Drive Hub (old Niagara Square mall) Well, as far as I remember, wasn't there a route that ran to Crystal Beach? There should be more service, considering most of NRT is a tourist trap.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 17 minutes ago, The Squishy Bus said: Well, as far as I remember, wasn't there a route that ran to Crystal Beach? There should be more service, considering most of NRT is a tourist trap.. There was a Crystal Beach group of stops on the original single route, continuing further down the road as their route 760-Yellow route before switching to demand-response service. The closest area with scheduled bus service is the Fort Erie Municipal Center, the transfer hub for the last scheduled service, and NRT Route 22's Niagara Falls-Fort Erie Shuttle at present. Additionally, Niagara Falls' WEGO service had a shuttle from Niagara Falls to what I think is Mather Park during some centennial / Canada Day event. It was very short in the time it ran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niatrans10 Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 3 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said: There was a Crystal Beach group of stops on the original single route, continuing further down the road as their route 760-Yellow route before switching to demand-response service. The closest area with scheduled bus service is the Fort Erie Municipal Center, the transfer hub for the last scheduled service, and NRT Route 22's Niagara Falls-Fort Erie Shuttle at present. Additionally, Niagara Falls' WEGO service had a shuttle from Niagara Falls to what I think is Mather Park during some centennial / Canada Day event. It was very short in the time it ran. IIRC the WEGO shuttle to Mather Park/Old Fort Erie was only for the War of 1812 bicentennial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Just now, niatrans10 said: IIRC the WEGO shuttle to Mather Park/Old Fort Erie was only for the War of 1812 bicentennial You are correct. I couldn't remember the specifics until you had mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niatrans10 Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 1814 has been returned to NF division from Welland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicianKeith Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 9:23 AM, niatrans10 said: 1814 has been returned to NF division from Welland That leaves Welland with 2368 and 2679 from Niagara Falls, and 2040 and 2302 from St Catharines. 1168 has returned to service in Welland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niatrans10 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 On 5/20/2024 at 3:38 PM, laliok said: I was looking at some documents for recent NRT meetings and spotted mention of a new route 116/216 for niagara falls Based on what I've found it looks like it will replace WEGO Red and Blue lines will begin service September 1, running on a 30-minute frequency between Garner Loop and Main Street using artics, exact details still unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laliok Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 On 7/6/2024 at 12:24 PM, niatrans10 said: will begin service September 1, running on a 30-minute frequency between Garner Loop and Main Street using artics, exact details still unknown what i'm curious about is the areas currently only served by the blue/red lines around fallsview. It doesn't make sense to me to just completely remove service without replacing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laliok Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 https://www.610cktb.com/news/niagara-parks-to-take-over-operation-of-the-wego-blue-line.html Well that answers that question. Shame NRT passes don't work with Niagara Park's WEGO routes. Just overcomplicates things for locals and prevents tourists from going beyond the tourist area easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicianKeith Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 NF 1814 is back in Welland today, running 501 Broadway. 1154-55 are missing, presumably being serviced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 On 6/26/2024 at 9:37 AM, map.man (Darrin) said: There was a Crystal Beach group of stops on the original single route, continuing further down the road as their route 760-Yellow route before switching to demand-response service. The closest area with scheduled bus service is the Fort Erie Municipal Center, the transfer hub for the last scheduled service, and NRT Route 22's Niagara Falls-Fort Erie Shuttle at present. Additionally, Niagara Falls' WEGO service had a shuttle from Niagara Falls to what I think is Mather Park during some centennial / Canada Day event. It was very short in the time it ran. I had visited Safari Niagara on the weekend and their website apologizes for not being accessible by public transit. If a local version of the 22 FORT ERIE-NIAGARA were available perhaps an extension of the 112 CHIPPAWA that ran down Sodom Rd. to Crystal Beach and then possibly to Fort Erie to connect with the 22 it would provide some coverage to Fort Erie. Given NRT's route numbering scheme do they allocate a block of numbers to Fort Erie, treat it as an extension of the Niagara Falls routes or give it a Regional number in the 20s since it is an inter-municipal route? Will NOTL get some sort of fixed route service eventually? I know Pelham also had its own service along with Grimsby (I think?) that have since been replaced with On Demand service. I know it's been discussed before, but in the absence of a fixed route between Grimsby and St. Catharines, could NRT follow DRT's model of using GO Transit as a connecting service for intra-regional travel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 9 hours ago, Gil said: I had visited Safari Niagara on the weekend and their website apologizes for not being accessible by public transit. If a local version of the 22 FORT ERIE-NIAGARA were available perhaps an extension of the 112 CHIPPAWA that ran down Sodom Rd. to Crystal Beach and then possibly to Fort Erie to connect with the 22 it would provide some coverage to Fort Erie. Given NRT's route numbering scheme do they allocate a block of numbers to Fort Erie, treat it as an extension of the Niagara Falls routes or give it a Regional number in the 20s since it is an inter-municipal route? Will NOTL get some sort of fixed route service eventually? I know Pelham also had its own service along with Grimsby (I think?) that have since been replaced with On Demand service. I know it's been discussed before, but in the absence of a fixed route between Grimsby and St. Catharines, could NRT follow DRT's model of using GO Transit as a connecting service for intra-regional travel? --- Would the ridership justify adding service to the park? Most of the time, I believe that the earlier trips would likely carry a few passengers to the location, and later afternoons from the location. Being that the buses run only once hourly on many of the NRT routes, how would this affect the route? Looking at the scheduling, the service is quite predictable with clockface intervals for the most part. --- Fort Erie's previous service was numbered, apparently in anticipation of NRT absorbing the service. However, Covid hit and affected (to this day) many of the services everywhere. 750-751: East Fort Erie service area (CW and CCW) served Fort Erie 760: West Fort Erie service area served Crystal Beach and Ridgeway 770: North Fort Erie service area served Stevensville --- GO Transit already services a number or stops between Stoney Creek and Niagara Falls VIA Station/Bus Terminal. Grimsby is served by the Casablanca Blvd and QEW stop, and Ontario Street and QEW stop in Lincoln for far east Grimsby. As mentioned, Covid wreaked havoc on a number of transit systems, and many or proceeding cautiously serving areas that did not exactly have transit service prior to Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laliok Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/news/transit/dropping-the-word-region-as-too-negative-niagara-transit-getting-a-fresh-new-look/article_293df734-b8df-5328-a741-27b6184db9ff.html Article behind paywall but a rebranding is in the works (Hoping for a better bus livery personally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 4 hours ago, laliok said: https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/news/transit/dropping-the-word-region-as-too-negative-niagara-transit-getting-a-fresh-new-look/article_293df734-b8df-5328-a741-27b6184db9ff.html Article behind paywall but a rebranding is in the works (Hoping for a better bus livery personally) Maybe you hit your limit on free articles? I had no problem accessing the article. I am including the render with the new logo and tagline "We're going your way". I could easily identify the n (in a slate blue) and T (in a teal/aqua green)to form the new logo evoking Niagara Falls. Personally, I would have gone with a different font as it seems somewhat generic. Some on the board had a hard time spotting the components. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highway of Heroes Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 Just curious on is NRT 2368 retired from service just yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthe905 Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 17 hours ago, Highway of Heroes said: Just curious on is NRT 2368 retired from service just yet? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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