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I was on Line 3 shuttle this morning, and there was 2 duplicates on vision. One was "LINE3 EAST" and the other one was something like "Line 3 Shuttle Eastbound", I clicked on the first one which was "LINE3EAST" and didn't think much of it, but apparently it gave me the completely wrong directions to McCowan compared to the normal routing. It made me go all the way on Brimley Road, to Lawrence E on street, Ellesmere on street , Midland on street, then STC bus terminal. 2 or 3 Line 3 buses were going the same way and I rarely saw any more shuttles on my way there which was weird. Then at STC the supervisor checked at my screen and was saying I was signed in the wrong one, and asked me if I came through Brimley. I told him yes, and he went off by saying things like "you aren't paying attention" and got all pissy about it when it was visions fault for having duplicates and no proper info on which one to use when operating on the route. I can't believe we still have these problem years after this system has been released

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I urge everyone to stay on topic. Please create a new topic in another forum for any ancillary unrelated subjects pertaining to the TTC. Thanks for your cooperation and good luck to the future candidates!

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On 3/2/2023 at 4:39 PM, CJ. said:

You cant even leave that early without being called in by control or supervisor. I speak from experience. I've left even 2 min early on 24A and I got a call within seconds. The only time you are legitimately allowed to leave early is when the schedule is super messed up,

Bzzt, wrong answer. The only time you can leave early is when instructed by a supervisor. Hopefully they record that they instructed you to do that, since you may be called in for a  "Key Performance Indicator" later on. Honestly, the only real consequence of all this is you'll have to say "sorry boss, I understand how I messed up, it won't happen again" in a divisional interview, and then you can go to the employee lounge and bitch about mgmt to anybody who will listen. 

 

But you (and others) will still be out there every day screwing the pooch, despite what consequences there may be, since the consequences are nothing. You'll claim your human rights are being violated, or whine that you do it because you don't have a scheduled break. Do your effin job and stfu, nobody cares about your lack of break. If you can't handle it, do something else with your life.

 

There are lots of jobs out there that pay $100k+/year with a little overtime for sitting on your butt all day (sarcasm). Perspective...you have it made compared to the average. Defined benefit pension, $37/hr rate, for basically an unskilled job that they pay you to get trained for. No college diploma, no apprenticeship, no previous experience needed other than probably working the cash register at a McDonalds and having basic reading and math skills. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Turtle said:

, since you may be called in for a  "Key Performance Indicator" later on.

Bingo. Already happened to me twice.

17 minutes ago, Turtle said:

because you don't have a scheduled break. Do your effin job and stfu, nobody cares about your lack of break. If you can't handle it, do something else with your life

I actually do get lazier especially in my shifts that go in overnight. When I have a route assigned such as 322 or 302, I'll usually make up my own schedule (granted it is still similar) because I'm screaming an empty bus in dead streets almost entire night anyways, so why not add a little extra coffee break or meal break in it. Honestly, nobody seems to care because I've been doing it for a while. If I did it in the day time is when I'd be put into problems

21 minutes ago, Turtle said:

 and then you can go to the employee lounge and bitch about mgmt to anybody who will listen. 

Doesn't everyone bitch about the corrupt management though?

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25 minutes ago, CJ. said:

Bingo. Already happened to me twice.

I actually do get lazier especially in my shifts that go in overnight. When I have a route assigned such as 322 or 302, I'll usually make up my own schedule (granted it is still similar) because I'm screaming an empty bus in dead streets almost entire night anyways, so why not add a little extra coffee break or meal break in it. Honestly, nobody seems to care because I've been doing it for a while. If I did it in the day time is when I'd be put into problems

Doesn't everyone bitch about the corrupt management though?

Hey, you know what, I'm guilty of signing a route that ran behind my home, and parking the bus so I could run in and make myself a baloney sandwich once or twice. It was a route with no layover time, lots of trips (short route). I even had one of my regulars commenting to me at the station that "you didn't go for coffee and cookies at Tims today?" because I had it all worked out with the schedule and timed perfectly to use the can or go buy a coffee. I even gamed it enough to grab a sub at a Mr Submarine every night, eat it, leave a few minutes late and still have time to take a leak at the other end.

 

Just do your job, it's easier. If you want a scheduled break with enough time to gather your thoughts, sign a compressed or a small split. You are blessed, you won the job lottery, you have it good compared to the average person. Except for being spit on, or bitched at, or Karen'd into submission of course.

 

People are relying on you to get them to work, to get them to daycare on time to pick up their kids, to get them to the hospital or a doctor appointment, ... You are getting paid basically $38/hr to sit on your ass all day. You get to drive a $3/4 million dollar vehicle and not have to pay for the maintenance on it. At the end of it all you get to collect a pension from the TTC as well as a Canadian gov't pension, you have it good stop your whining

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1 hour ago, Turtle said:

Hey, you know what, I'm guilty of signing a route that ran behind my home, and parking the bus so I could run in and make myself a baloney sandwich once or twice. It was a route with no layover time, lots of trips (short route). I even had one of my regulars commenting to me at the station that "you didn't go for coffee and cookies at Tims today?" because I had it all worked out with the schedule and timed perfectly to use the can or go buy a coffee. I even gamed it enough to grab a sub at a Mr Submarine every night, eat it, leave a few minutes late and still have time to take a leak at the other end.

Yes. Actually I know quite a few people that do that on blue night routes or even normal routes when passenger traffic calms down

1 hour ago, Turtle said:

People are relying on you to get them to work, to get them to daycare on time to pick up their kids, to get them to the hospital or a doctor appointment, ... You are getting paid basically $38/hr to sit on your ass all day. You get to drive a $3/4 million dollar vehicle and not have to pay for the maintenance on it. At the end of it all you get to collect a pension from the TTC as well as a Canadian gov't pension, you have it good stop your whining

Its not easy on the arms and legs to spin a wheel back and forth and keep tapping the same accelerator and brake

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6 hours ago, CJ. said:

Its not easy on the arms and legs to spin a wheel back and forth and keep tapping the same accelerator and brake

The operators who sat on wicker seats, and drove a bus with no power steering, no a/c might have something to say to you right now. Go back far enough and they were driving buses with manual transmissions, or having to sit in an open cab streetcar in the winter time.

 

You can always switch to rail if you want. Subway may be a little extra difficult to transfer in to for the next couple years because of line 1 and OPTO, and the seniority is bad once you get in, but at least on subway the latest you will be scheduled to work on a normal night is around 2am. You don't have to worry about fares, The biggest problems there are jumpers, the people that think it's funny to pretend they are going to jump, and people urinating or puking on your cab door. 

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9 hours ago, Turtle said:

Bzzt, wrong answer. The only time you can leave early is when instructed by a supervisor. Hopefully they record that they instructed you to do that, since you may be called in for a  "Key Performance Indicator" later on. Honestly, the only real consequence of all this is you'll have to say "sorry boss, I understand how I messed up, it won't happen again" in a divisional interview, and then you can go to the employee lounge and bitch about mgmt to anybody who will listen. 

 

But you (and others) will still be out there every day screwing the pooch, despite what consequences there may be, since the consequences are nothing. You'll claim your human rights are being violated, or whine that you do it because you don't have a scheduled break. Do your effin job and stfu, nobody cares about your lack of break. If you can't handle it, do something else with your life.

 

There are lots of jobs out there that pay $100k+/year with a little overtime for sitting on your butt all day (sarcasm). Perspective...you have it made compared to the average. Defined benefit pension, $37/hr rate, for basically an unskilled job that they pay you to get trained for. No college diploma, no apprenticeship, no previous experience needed other than probably working the cash register at a McDonalds and having basic reading and math skills. 

 

 

1. Evidently you cannot read and comprehend the post above you, which was made by a SITE ADMINISTRATOR,  to stay on topic about the application process and to discuss unrelated TTC issues in another topic.

 

2. I find it funny that you bring up the downside of dealing with Karens as a TTC employee,  when you are acting and talking like an obnoxious Karen yourself. All the insults and name calling, I feel bad for any significant other that has to deal with you at home on a daily basis.

 

3. Seeing how you like reignite old topics in a confrontational manner after they have been put to rest and others moved on from them (even if they agreed to disagree and just keep it moving), it is evident that you have a severe case of shit-instigatoritis. I would suggest that you go see a psychiatrist,  as you really need one.

 

4. The "Key Performance Indicators" take a back seat to safety. In case you need a refresher, the waybill itself clearly states that safe operation takes precedence over times shown. When I am on duty,  the only thing I care about is that I operate the bus safely, and everyone on board gets from point A to B safely and unharmed. Getting called into the office for running early is extremely light compared to going through an accident investigation and getting nailed for a preventable. 

 

5. Even after I have indicated MULTIPLE TIMES how I have found the solution to requiring a break by picking two-piece crews at sign up, you still would rather get wound up about the past non-stop. When TransitMotorcoach said how some people on this forum are just like scorned ex-girlfriends, you are one of them. 

 

6. Given how you are so quick to accuse others of "screwing the pooch", it leads me to conclude that you actually do the same thing that you accuse others of doing. 

 

By the way,  for those who like to crucify new operators for "pulling stunts", and how the senior ones "don't want to interact with them" , I tell you what,  at least a new operator will do a proper pre-trip inspection and never take a bus out of the garage that should not be on the road. Quite a few times, after relieving a senior operator,  I discovered a noticeable defect on the bus, which should have led to the bus being changed off to another one. Baffles my mind how a senior operator could be this lazy and complacent to take a bus out that should be in the repair bay instead.

 

 

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1 hour ago, QueenswayOp said:

By the way,  for those who like to crucify new operators for "pulling stunts", and how the senior ones "don't want to interact with them" , I tell you what,  at least a new operator will do a proper pre-trip inspection and never take a bus out of the garage that should not be on the road. Quite a few times, after relieving a senior operator,  I discovered a noticeable defect on the bus, which should have led to the bus being changed off to another one. Baffles my mind how a senior operator could be this lazy and complacent to take a bus out that should be in the repair bay instead.

By the way, that's not a senior thing, that's a lazy complacent thing. I've taken plenty of vehicles from new ops that have a safety critical defect. 

 

And, just to let you know I'm 100% on topic here, since politics and bullshit at the division completely applies to the "ttc application process". 

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3 hours ago, QueenswayOp said:

5. Even after I have indicated MULTIPLE TIMES how I have found the solution to requiring a break by picking two-piece crews at sign up, you still would rather get wound up about the past non-stop. When TransitMotorcoach said how some people on this forum are just like scorned ex-girlfriends, you are one of them. 

Wow, this isn't about you. Good for you that you managed to find a solution to your problem, but I wasn't targeting you. Take a chill pill. 

 

3 hours ago, QueenswayOp said:

6. Given how you are so quick to accuse others of "screwing the pooch", it leads me to conclude that you actually do the same thing that you accuse others of doing. 

Yes. Most of the time I liked to run less than +2, but I had my moments. When I was trying my best to keep it less than +3 on a route where the vehicles were scheduled 15 minutes apart, and the op behind me was right behind me, I would stop and 4-way them until they would pass. SO I would get called by CIS for running 4 mins hot, but the guy behind me was in my mirrors running probably +15 (actually in reality probably +18). Yes, eff that. Bonus would be that op claiming I almost caused an accident with his bus, but wtf is he doing anywhere near me if he is scheduled 15 minutes behind and I am running +2???

 

3 hours ago, QueenswayOp said:

 

By the way,  for those who like to crucify new operators for "pulling stunts", and how the senior ones "don't want to interact with them" , I tell you what,  at least a new operator will do a proper pre-trip inspection and never take a bus out of the garage that should not be on the road. Quite a few times, after relieving a senior operator,  I discovered a noticeable defect on the bus, which should have led to the bus being changed off to another one. Baffles my mind how a senior operator could be this lazy and complacent to take a bus out that should be in the repair bay instead.

 

 

Nobody cares if you are junior or senior. They will interact with you at the division if you aren't a complete jerk. 

 

As far as doing a proper pre-trip. lol on that. It's a mixed bag. Some ops are religious about it, some ops get in, start her up and drive without checking anything. Seniority has nothing to do with it.

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On 2/9/2023 at 4:41 PM, QueenswayOp said:

Unfortunately, A LOT of senior operators with your level of seniority let their status get to their head and create a very toxic and poisoned work environment, where they look down on the more junior operators and treat them as less-than.

 

For example, at Queensway Division, there is one very senior operator who drives the 944 all the time. He has let his seniority level get to his head so much, that he does not even talk to those operators that are below him on the seniority roster. It a way more junior operator asks him a question, he will just ignore it and pretend that junior operator is not there.

 

When there is this kind of petty division among the operators based on seniority status, no wonder the management tries to stir up any shit they can imagine. 

Maybe he didn't have an answer to your question, so he chose to keep his mouth shut instead of mansplaining it to you.

On 2/13/2023 at 7:21 AM, QueenswayOp said:

1). This goes to show that for streetcar and subway replacement buses, it should be the more experienced operators assigned to it, while the new operators learn the established bus routes first before diving into the replacement shuttle bus pool.

 

2). Getting friendly with a supervisor like that and being buddy buddy as well, to me, that is a huge NO NO. Maybe I have a very militant union member mindset, but in general, I aim to keep anyone from the management side (supervisors, divisional managers, ect... ) back from me with a 10 foot pole, so to speak. Even if they are nice and friendly, the fact remains, they are management, and at any moment, they can flip a switch and unleash hell on me and screw me over if something is not of their liking.

If you just did your job you wouldn't have to worry about them, they are there to help you out if you need it.

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12 hours ago, CJ. said:

Bingo. Already happened to me twice.

I only got called in once for schedule deviance/jumping the end. That was the story I told about the other guy on a 2 bus route running +7, and jumping the ends (bbq buddy with the CIS supervisor running the line), I was just trying to get fair treatment from them. If you do your job properly for the most part, they leave you alone. They even call you by your first name and are happy to see you when they run into you on the street.

 

12 hours ago, CJ. said:

Doesn't everyone bitch about the corrupt management though?

They are not corrupt, you are delusional to think that. The only corrupt ones are higher up and have leather sofas in their office at city hall.

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On 3/12/2023 at 11:54 PM, Turtle said:

They are not corrupt, you are delusional to think that. The only corrupt ones are higher up and have leather sofas in their office at city hall.

Good timing

Operator in front of me got caught using phone at red light on 72 Pape this morning only 2 hours into shift. Dismissed (forever)

Anyways, the view is nice thoughimage.thumb.jpeg.c6102f945f766f0d017d568640a34a45.jpeg

Actually no. I would rather go buy a house in Hamilton or another "rularish" city, whenever possible of course

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13 hours ago, CJ. said:

Good timing

Operator in front of me got caught using phone at red light on 72 Pape this morning only 2 hours into shift. Dismissed (forever)

 

Are you claiming that management is corrupt for disciplining an operator who violated the HTA and workplace safety rules and policies?

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9 minutes ago, Turtle said:

Are you claiming that management is corrupt for disciplining an operator who violated the HTA and workplace safety rules and policies?

Maybe I am. After all, they were supposedly turning their ringer off, and yeah they got fired

Nice

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2 hours ago, CJ. said:

Maybe I am. After all, they were supposedly turning their ringer off, and yeah they got fired

Nice

Okay then, that operator is lucky they didn't get caught by a police officer. They would have lost their job, as well as possibly getting fined + 6 demerit points. At least they can take their fancy CZ and apply to be a straight truck driver today. Lots of places desperate for straight truck drivers.

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8 hours ago, Turtle said:

Okay then, that operator is lucky they didn't get caught by a police officer. They would have lost their job, as well as possibly getting fined + 6 demerit points. At least they can take their fancy CZ and apply to be a straight truck driver today. Lots of places desperate for straight truck drivers.

At least they didn't start signing into temporarily badge numbers such as #99995001 or #523 on vision after being confronted for reckless operation and being asked for badge number to get reported

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On 3/14/2023 at 7:53 PM, CJ. said:

Good timing

Operator in front of me got caught using phone at red light on 72 Pape this morning only 2 hours into shift. Dismissed (forever)

Anyways, the view is nice thoughimage.thumb.jpeg.c6102f945f766f0d017d568640a34a45.jpeg

Actually no. I would rather go buy a house in Hamilton or another "rularish" city, whenever possible of course

Was it an op from the 72 bus?? 

 

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On 3/15/2023 at 6:32 PM, CJ. said:

At least they didn't start signing into temporarily badge numbers such as #99995001 or #523 on vision after being confronted for reckless operation and being asked for badge number to get reported

Uh, your job is to drive the bus safely from point A to B, secondary to that is to keep to the schedule so that people who have job interviews to get to, or little shits at daycare to pick up can get there on time. 

 

Signing in as BOOBS is immature. If you want to screw the pooch, or spend all day hanging out in a room without doing anything productive or positive for society become a member of lower management

On 3/14/2023 at 7:53 PM, CJ. said:

Operator in front of me got caught using phone at red light on 72 Pape this morning only 2 hours into shift. Dismissed (forever)

Anyways, the view is nice thoughimage.thumb.jpeg.c6102f945f766f0d017d568640a34a45.jpeg

 

Ironic...you complain about an op getting fired for using an electronic device while being responsible for a vehicle, but then take photos of the vehicle you are responsible for while at work with an electronic device..with enough information to identify who you are if anybody in lower management wanted to put the effort into it.

 

You get a lot of leeway and freedom to do what you want. management is not evil as long as you do your job 

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17 minutes ago, Turtle said:

 

Ironic...you complain about an op getting fired for using an electronic device while being responsible for a vehicle, but then take photos of the vehicle you are responsible for while at work with an electronic device..with enough information to identify who you are if anybody in lower management wanted to put the effort into it.

 

You get a lot of leeway and freedom to do what you want. management is not evil as long as you do your job 

On layover

No license plate, no bus number

Why would they be after me? haha

If it truly is that you aren't entitled to free-speech in TTC, then I refuse to put my uniform on anyway

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34 minutes ago, CJ. said:

On layover

No license plate, no bus number

Why would they be after me? haha

If it truly is that you aren't entitled to free-speech in TTC, then I refuse to put my uniform on anyway

Workplace policy actually prohibits you from using your electronic device while on duty or identifiable as a ttc employee (i.e. travelling to a relief point). But you new guys and your human rights being violated and such don't realise there are professional standards you need to adhere to.

 

They will never discipline an enthusiastic employee for posting a positive picture of their workplace on social media, but everything else is up for grabs. You're sitting there complaining about a fellow op getting fired for "turning off the ringer" on their phone? Shouldn't that have been done before they sat on the seat???

 

You are absolutely asking for it, don't complain when you get called in for violating their social medial policy, or device use policies while on duty and responsible for a vehicle or otherwise identifiable as a ttc employee.

 

i.e. How many buses with a junior op were on the 72 Pape the morning of March 14, 2023? That's the easiest fishing expedition mgmt would ever have to go on. I know you think it's funny, but you are playing with fire. 

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14 minutes ago, Turtle said:

Workplace policy actually prohibits you from using your electronic device while on duty or identifiable as a ttc employee (i.e. travelling to a relief point). But you new guys and your human rights being violated and such don't realise there are professional standards you need to adhere to.

 

They will never discipline an enthusiastic employee for posting a positive picture of their workplace on social media, but everything else is up for grabs. You're sitting there complaining about a fellow op getting fired for "turning off the ringer" on their phone? Shouldn't that have been done before they sat on the seat???

Everyone uses phone in layover, whether that be in operator washroom or just outside the bus

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On 3/19/2023 at 10:32 AM, CJ. said:

Everyone uses phone in layover, whether that be in operator washroom or just outside the bus

Sure, on the can while taking a dump is allowed. Hiding in the washroom at the end and messaging your significant other about what you need to pick up on the way home is 100% okay. Being visible and in uniform while texting is a no no according to workplace rules.

 

You know what though, if you are a decent employee they will never do anything to you. They will even help you deal with personal issues in your life, but I would recommend being careful what you disclose to them. EFAP is there and is supposed to be confidential. There are peer supports with fellow operators volunteering in special programs. Show up for work ready for working, ask for help if you need it. They are not your enemy. There may be consequences for your current position if you aren't careful with what you disclose to your employer, but if you need help you should ask for it and not be afraid, they will do their best to accommodate reasonable things.

 

You won the job and life lottery, suck it up and shut up, if your fellow bus op got fired for using their cellphone while on duty and in the drivers seat, they deserved it

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11 minutes ago, Turtle said:

Sure, on the can while taking a dump is allowed. Hiding in the washroom at the end and messaging your significant other about what you need to pick up on the way home is 100% okay. Being visible and in uniform while texting is a no no according to workplace rules.

 

I don't know about when you were on the job, but this is certainly super common and even supervisor genuinely does not care. As long as you are out the drivers seat, its fine 

There's an operator who stops the bus at a stop, and puts on the parking brake and uses their phone to make sure their child arrived home safely, surely it would be evil for the commission to fire them for that

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11 minutes ago, CJ. said:

I don't know about when you were on the job, but this is certainly super common and even supervisor genuinely does not care. As long as you are out the drivers seat, its fine 

There's an operator who stops the bus at a stop, and puts on the parking brake and uses their phone to make sure their child arrived home safely, surely it would be evil for the commission to fire them for that

Omfg, you are clueless. By the HTA and internal ttc policies, do not use your cellphone at any time you are responsible for a vehicle while sitting in the seat. If you need to use your cellphone for whatever reason, secure the vehicle at a safe location (i.e. at a stop), step off the bus and use it.

 

That being said: You shouldn't be using your cellphone for any reason while on the job.

 

By the HTA, it's 6 demerit points. That is a licence downgrade. Licence downgrade = CSA if you are lucky enough that they are compassionate towards you and your life situation. If not, if you are a problem employee and they are happy to get rid of you, thanks for wasting the unions' money

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