TransLink Future - Dream's and Aspirations

[8010]

46 minutes ago, ThatBusGuy said:

Completely unnecessary in my opinion. I used to take the C76 via delta view fairly regularly, and I only ever saw people use the stop there maybe two or three times total - it was mostly an inconvenience for people going west since there isn't a technically a stop at Matthews before the detour, so anyone transferring to the 351 may just miss it (luckily, most drivers just let people out at the side of the road after turning off Hwy 10). I don't think there would be anything wrong with adding a couple more trips there but not every trip. I'd rather see the hours of service for the C76 extended, currently last WB is 6:15 and last EB is 6:30. After that requires going all the way north via Scott Road Stn on the 319/640

I think I made a post about South of Fraser routes last week and I believe I mentioned something about expanding the C76's hours.

On 4/17/2018 at 5:45 PM, 8010 said:

South of Fraser Transit Plan:

Before you read the following changes I am proposing please note that these are changes I would like to see happen AFTER the 10-Year Plan and SWATP are completed. I also don't give a flying f*ck if you think these changes are farfetched/unrealistic/etc. I will not have anything in regards to Surrey/Newton/Guildford rapid transit as I am awaiting to see which technology will be chosen (BRT or LRT) or the Fraser Highway rapid transit.

Proposed Changes:

301 - FTN service

311 - 2-way peak service, 30-60 minute off-peak frequency

312 - 20 minute weekday frequency, 30 minute weekend frequency

314 - extend route to serve Scottsdale, then back to regular route via Scott Road, Scottsdale, 75th Ave, 124th St, 84th Ave, regular route to Sunbury. Extend all Scott & 96th trips to Sunbury

316 - 30 minute Sunday frequency (up from every 60 minutes)

319 - frequency will probably be reduced to every 15 minutes once the Scott Road B-Line is implemented

320 - extend all Fleetwood trips to Langley Centre (FTN service)

321 - extend to Scott Road Station, discontinue service South of White Rock Centre

323 - 20 minute weekend frequency from start of service until 11 pm

324 - increase weekday off-peak frequency to every 20 minutes (up from every 30 minutes)

325 - increase weekday off-peak frequency to every 20 minutes (up from every 30 minutes)

326 - increase span of service to operate earlier on Sundays

329 - discontinue route to reduce route duplication with the 314

335 - extend all Guildford trips to Newton Exchange

337 - FTN service. Extend route from WB 108th Ave & 160th St to travel along 160th St, 112th Ave, 154th St, 110th Ave, regular route to Surrey Central/Guildford Exchange

341 - increase weekday off-peak frequency to every 20 minutes

345 - discontinue route to reduce route duplication with the 375 & 502

351 - end route at White Rock Centre (this is from the proposed service changes from 2015). Increase off-peak frequency to every 12 minutes (up from every 15 minutes)

352 - Reroute from 128th St via 20th Ave, 148th St, North Bluff Rd to White Rock Centre. Increase off-peak frequency to every 30-60 minutes and introduce 2-way peak service

354 - increase off-peak frequency to every 30-60 minutes and introduce 2-way peak service

360 - Reroute from White Rock Centre via North Bluff Rd, 124th St, 25th Ave, Crescent Park. Increase span of service to operate until 9 pm every day. Increase weekend frequency to every 30 minutes (up from every 60 minutes)

361 - increase span of service to operate until 9 pm every day. Increase weekend frequency to every 30 minutes (up from every 60 minutes)

364 - increase span of service to operate until 9 pm on weekends, increase peak frequency to every 20 minutes

365 - new route that will replace the local portion of the 351 between White Rock Centre and Crescent Beach (based on proposed service changes from 2015)

373 - 30 minute off-peak and weekend service (up from every 40 minutes)

375 - increase weekday frequency to every 20 minutes (up from every 30 minutes)

388 - increase off-peak frequency to every 30 minutes

391 - discontinue route to reduce route duplication with the 312 & 316

393 - discontinue route to reduce route duplication with the 323, 364, & C75

394 - will probably be discontinued once the White Rock B-Line is implemented

395 - discontinue route to reduce route duplication with the 320 & 364

501 - FTN service

503 - extend to Abbotsford

509 - discontinue route to reduce route duplication with the C62

510 - new route that will replace the western part of the C60/C61 (No changes to service)

511 - new route that will replace the eastern part of the C60/C61 (no changes to service)

531 - end route at Langley Centre, discontinue service to/from Willowbrook

555 - FTN service

602 - introduce 60 minute weekend service 

603/604 - 60 minute off-peak and weekend service 

606/608 - 60 minute off-peak and weekend service 

609 - extend to Ladner Exchange via 41b St, River Rd, 47a Ave, Arthur Dr, 44th Ave

620 - add additional trips where/when needed

8XX School Specials - discontinue services to reduce route duplications and to improve transit frequencies on other routes, schedules to adjacent routes will be adjusted to follow school special trip departures

C60/C61 - discontinue routes and replace with the new 510/511

C62 - reroute to replace coverage from the 509 with 20 minute peak service and 30 minute off-peak service. Increase Sunday span of service to operate until 9 pm

C63 - increase Sunday span of service to operate until 9 pm

C64 - increase Sunday span of service to operate until 9 pm

C70 - extend to Langley Centre via 64th Ave, 204 St, Logan Ave. Increase span of service to operate until 9 pm every day

C75 - Reroute from Scottsdale Exchange via 121a St, 75th Ave, 76th Ave, 128th St, regular route

C76 - reroute all trips to serve Delta View. Increase span of service to operate until 9 pm every day

C84 - increase span of service to operate until 9 pm on weekends 

C86 - increase span of service to operate until 9 pm every day. Increase Sunday frequency to every 30 minutes

C88 - increase span of service to operate until 9 pm every day. Increase Sunday frequency to every 30 minutes

Ladner/Langley route - increase peak frequency to every 30 minutes

Bridgeport/Boundary Bay route - 60 minute off-peak and weekend service

West Coast Express - extension to Abbotsford

I didn't relize there wasn't a stop at Mathews before going into Delta View, perhaps a new stop could be implemented or just cut all service there all together and implement a new shuttle service to Delta View.

[maege]

4 hours ago, 8010 said:

14 - extend evening service to Kootenay Loop

Most Definitely!

4 hours ago, 8010 said:

 100 - discontinue via Trapp routing (service will be replaced by a Community Shuttle route that will travel to East Fraser Lands area)

Any new route that serves the EFL should connect either with Skytrain Stations to the north (Joyce, Patterson, Metrotown), or to the Canada Line, if not both. The route to 22nd would be terrible for a most people that actually need to go west or north to get to downtown, UBC, Metrotown, etc.

Also, I think service to the EFL would be a regular 40ft bus in short order, due to the high density and large number of people that will be living in the area.

[8010]

Suggested FTN Routes (based on area, ridership and schedules):

4 UBC/Powell

7 Nanaimo Stn/Dunbar

9 Alma/Boundary (extension from Commercial-Broadway Stn)

14 UBC/Hastings

26 Joyce Stn/29th Ave Stn

27 Joyce Stn/Kootenay Loop

28 Joyce Stn/Phibbs Exch

29 Elliott/29th Ave Stn

33 UBC/29th Ave Stn

49 UBC/Metrotown Stn (extension from Dunbar Loop)

84 UBC/VCC-Clark Stn

103 Quayside/Victoria Hill

112 Edmonds Stn/New West Stn

128 Braid Stn/22nd St Stn

143 SFU/Burquitlam Stn 

144 SFU/Metrotown Stn

180 Lougheed Stn/Moody Ctr Stn

210 Vancouver/Upper Lynn Valley

229 Lonsdale Quay/Lynn Valley Ctr

236 Lonsdale Quay/Grouse Mtn

250 Vancouver/Horseshoe Bay (extension from Dundarave)

257 Vancouver/Horseshoe Bay

301 Brighouse Stn/Newton Exch

320 Surrey Ctrl Stn/Langley Ctr (extension from Fleetwood)

321 Scott Rd Stn/White Rock Ctr (extension from Surrey Ctrl Stn)

323 Surrey Ctrl Stn/Newton Exch

335 Surrey Ctrl Stn/Newton Exch

337 Surrey Ctrl Stn/Fraser Heights

351 Bridgeport Stn/Crescent Beach (extension from White Rock Ctr)

401 Brighouse Stn/One Rd

402 Bridgeport Stn/Two Rd

403 Bridgeport Stn/Three Rd

410 Brighouse Stn/22nd St Stn via Fraserwood

501 Surrey Ctrl Stn/Langley Ctr

555 Lougheed Stn/Carvolth Exch

601 Bridgeport Stn/South Delta

620 Bridgeport Stn/Tsawwassen Ferry (reducing wait times)

 

I know some of these routes are included in Phase 2 and SWATP, I don't live under a rock.

[8010]

Suggested Millennium Line UBC Extension Bus Integration:

4 - FTN service, shorten route to travel between Downtown and UBC

7 - travels between Downtown and Nanaimo Station, FTN service, reroute to connect to the Millennium Line

9 - extend route from Alma to UBC, decrease frequency to every 15 minutes

14 - shorten route to travel between Granville & Broadway and Kootenay Loop, extend service later into the evenings until the N35 begins service, FTN service, add new trips to Renfrew & McGill to reduce overcrowding

16 - reroute from City Centre Station via Granville, Cordova, Powell, McGill, Renfrew, regular route

23 - extend to VCC-Clark Station via Terminal, Clark, 6th (since there's no regular service along Terminal Ave)

32 - travels along the 7's current route between Dunbar Loop and Downtown, begin operating trolleys on route, FTN service 

33 - FTN service

42 - extend to UBC

44 - 15 minute weekday off-peak frequency

49 - FTN service to/from UBC

70 - discontinue Wesbrook & University Blvd stop

84 - probably won't be discontinued, could join FTN

91 - increase frequency

99 - discontinue (obviously)

131/132 - discontinue service to Hastings and Gilmore, extend routes to Brentwood Station 

143 - FTN service (once Burnaby Mountain Gondola is completed)

145 - discontinue route (once Burnaby Mountain Gondola is completed)

170 - extend to Coquitlam Central Station

258 - split route from 250, new limited stop express service between Downtown and Dundarave

480 - Reroute from 41st & Dunbar via Dunbar, Marine, 70th, Granville, regular route

791 - Reroute to Lougheed Station via Lougheed Hwy 

N35 - extend to Production Station to connect to the N9 and SkyTrain (once Burnaby Mountain Gondola is completed)

 

Temporary Arbutus Loop - discontinue

 

UBC Exchange Bays:

Bay 1 - discontinue

Bay 2 - discontinue

Bay 3 - discontinue

Bay 4 - 44

Bay 5 - 49

Bay 6 - 91 B-Line 

Bay 7 - 25

Bay 8 - 33

Bay 9 - discontinue

Bay 10 - 4

Bay 11 - 84

Bay 12 - 9, N17

Bay 13 - 68/70

Bay 14 - 480

Bay 15 (located in new UBC Loop) - 42, 258

 

My assumption is that TransLink is going to want more people to take SkyTrain to UBC from Downtown rather than bus. I've also decided to extend some routes to the Millennium Line that are relatively close but don't currently connect to the M Line.

[meliketransit]

On 5/6/2018 at 6:14 PM, 8010 said:

Suggested Millennium Line UBC Extension Bus Integration:

4 - FTN service, shorten route to travel between Downtown and UBC

7 - travels between Downtown and Nanaimo Station, FTN service, reroute to connect to the Millennium Line

9 - extend route from Alma to UBC, decrease frequency to every 15 minutes

14 - shorten route to travel between Granville & Broadway and Kootenay Loop, extend service later into the evenings until the N35 begins service, FTN service, add new trips to Renfrew & McGill to reduce overcrowding

16 - reroute from City Centre Station via Granville, Cordova, Powell, McGill, Renfrew, regular route

23 - extend to VCC-Clark Station via Terminal, Clark, 6th (since there's no regular service along Terminal Ave)

32 - travels along the 7's current route between Dunbar Loop and Downtown, begin operating trolleys on route, FTN service 

33 - FTN service

42 - extend to UBC

49 - FTN service to/from UBC

70 - discontinue Wesbrook & University Blvd stop

84 - probably won't be discontinued, could join FTN

91 - increase frequency

99 - discontinue (obviously)

131/132 - discontinue service to Hastings and Gilmore, extend route to Brentwood Station 

143 - FTN service (once Burnaby Mountain Gondola is completed)

145 - frequency reduction to every 15 minutes (once Burnaby Mountain Gondola is completed)

170 - extend to Coquitlam Central Station

258 - split route from 250, new limited stop express service between Downtown and Dundarave

480 - Reroute from 41st & Dunbar via Dunbar, Marine, 70th, Granville, regular route

791 - Reroute to Lougheed Station via Lougheed Hwy 

Temporary Arbutus Loop - discontinue

 

UBC Exchange Bays:

Bay 1 - discontinue

Bay 2 - discontinue

Bay 3 - discontinue

Bay 4 - 44

Bay 5 - 49

Bay 6 - 91 B-Line 

Bay 7 - 25

Bay 8 - 33

Bay 9 - discontinue

Bay 10 - 4

Bay 11 - 84

Bay 12 - 9, N17

Bay 13 - 68/70

Bay 14 - 480

Bay 15 (located in new UBC Loop) - 42, 258

This is a great idea overall buuuuuuuuuuuut why do you still have the 145 running  with the Gondola replacing it?

[Ninja Bus Fan]

2 hours ago, meliketransit said:

This is a great idea overall buuuuuuuuuuuut why do you still have the 145 running  with the Gondola replacing it?

Maybe to serve the stops along Production Way and at Broadway and Gaglardi Way ?

[Michael Marriott]

1 hour ago, Ninja Bus Fan said:

Maybe to serve the stops along Production Way and at Broadway and Gaglardi Way ?

It wouldn't be necessary.  Given that those stops are not very busy, the service provided by the 110 and 136 would be sufficient to provide service.  The only unique stop is Gaglardi Way/Broadway which is isolated from the neighborhood, within walking distance of the 110 or 136 and is nowhere near busy enough to justify a route by itself.

[8010]

10 hours ago, meliketransit said:

This is a great idea overall buuuuuuuuuuuut why do you still have the 145 running  with the Gondola replacing it?

I don't know if TransLink plans on keeping the 145 after the Gondola is built so I just left it there for now, personally I hope it gets discontinued so it's resources can be used elsewhere.

 

Edited the 145 to be discontinued.

[8010]

82 routes (excluding Willingdon & Victoria B-Lines) connecting to the Millennium Line after the UBC Extension (including my suggested route changes):

2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 23, 25, 27, 28, 32, 33, 42, 44, 49, 68, 70, 84, 91, 94?, 101, 109, 110, 123, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 136, 143, 144, 150, 151, 152, 153, 156, 157, 159, 160, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 191, 258, 480, 555, 701, 791, N8, N9, N10, N15, N17, N19, N20, N22, N35

122 routes (excluding Phase 3 B-Lines & SWATP routes) connecting to the Expo Line after Langley Extension (including my suggested route changes):

2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 41, 44, 49, 50, 89?, 90?, 91, 95, 96, 100, 101, 103, 104, 105, 106, 109, 110, 112, 116, 119, 123, 128, 129, 130, 133, 136, 144, 146, 147, 148, 152, 153, 155, 156, 157, 159, 169, 180, 210, 211, 214, 240, 246, 247, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 257, 258, 312, 314, 316, 319, 320, 321, 323, 324, 325, 326, 335, 337, 340, 341, 342, 364, 370, 371, 372, 373, 375, 388, 410, 501, 502, 503, 531, 555, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 595, 640, 791, C98, N8, N9, N10, N15, N17, N19, N20, N22, N24, N35

Canada Line & SWATP routes will be added once finalized SWATP is released (I'm assuming some time in May).

[8010]

Suggested Ladner Ring Route Restructure:

606 Bridgeport Station/Ladner Ring East

608 Bridgeport Station/Ladner Ring West

(Route would remain interlined but 2-way service would be in place during peak times)

[8010]

Phase 2 B-Line Suggested Changes:

Scott Road B-Line:

314 - increase off-peak frequency to every 30 minutes and extend all trips to Sunbury

316 - increase frequency to every 30 minutes during evenings, early mornings, and Sundays

319 - decrease frequency to every 15 minutes

321 - extend route to Scott Road Station to provide local service along King George Blvd between Scott Road Station and Surrey Central Station

329 - discontinue route

391 - discontinue route

 

Richmond - Metrotown B-Line:

430 - discontinue route (obviously)

More suggested changes to Richmond - Metrotown B-Line may be added once SWATP is finalized

 

Phase 3 B-Lines:

Lions Gate B-Line:

209 - discontinue route

210 - increase span of service to operate later in the evening

229 - FTN service

232/236 - reroute to travel along the 247's routing in the Grousewoods area

241 - discontinue route

242 - discontinue route

247 - discontinue route

 

Victoria Drive B-Line:

20 - decrease frequency to every 12 minutes, all trips terminate at Harrison Loop

 

200th Street B-Line:

501 - FTN service

509 - discontinue route

531 - discontinue service between Langley Centre and Willowbrook

555 - FTN service

C62 - increase peak frequency and reroute to travel along the 509's route in Walnut Grove

C70 - extend to Langley Centre from Willowbrook along the 531's current routing between Willowbrook and Langley Centre

 

Willingdon Avenue B-Line:

14 - increase span of service to Kootenay Loop until N35 begins service

28 - all trips terminate at Kootenay Loop (excluding Cap U trips)

125 - discontinue route

130 - decrease frequency to every 12 minutes, all trips terminate at Kootenay Loop (excluding Cap U trips)

131/132 - extend to Brentwood Station to increase connections to B-Line, discontinue routing to Hastings & Gilmore

 

White Rock B-Line:

321 - discontinue service between White Rock Centre and White Rock South

345 - discontinue route

352 - extend to White Rock Centre to connect to B-Line

375 - increase frequency and span of service

394 - discontinue route

 

I know I've mentioned some of these changes before, I've probably missed some things.

[8010]

Is a B-Line along 49th Avenue a good idea? I personally think it is because the 49 is continuously getting busier and the route is getting to the point where it will soon be unable to add anymore trips. Sure you could say "But the 91 B-Line is only 8 blocks away" but who wants to:

a) Pay 2 zones between Joyce and Metrotown?

 Have unnecessary transfers?

c) Experience similar crowding that is experienced on the 49?

Yes the 430 will become a B-Line in the early 2020s but it will only serve 1/3 of 49th Ave and it will be serving some of the less busy areas of E 49th.

Having a B-Line travel along 49th Avenue from UBC to Metrotown Station will:

a) Decrease travel times, passups, and overcrowding

 Increase frequency and capacity

c) Increase load/unload speeds with all-door boarding

d) Attract most riders along 49th Avenue

The 49 would see a large reduction in frequency (about every 15 min) and may be converted to regular 40 foot buses as majority of the 49's stop activity occurs within 1-2 blocks of the proposed B-Line.

 

Proposed B-Line Stops:

• UBC Exchange

• Wesbrook Mall & Agronomy Road

• 16th Avenue & Wesbrook Mall

• 41st Avenue & Dunbar Street

• 49th Avenue & Macdonald Street (Future)

• 49th Avenue & West Boulevard

• 49th Avenue & Granville Street

• 49th Avenue & Oak Street

• Langara-49th Avenue Station

• 49th Avenue & Main Street

• 49th Avenue & Fraser Street

• 49th Avenue & Knight Street

• 49th Avenue & Victoria Drive

• 49th Avenue & Elliott Street

• 49th Avenue & Kerr Street

• 49th Avenue & Tyne Street

• Metrotown Station

[tensorflow]

3 hours ago, 8010 said:

Is a B-Line along 49th Avenue a good idea? I personally think it is because the 49 is continuously getting busier and the route is getting to the point where it will soon be unable to add anymore trips. Sure you could say "But the 91 B-Line is only 8 blocks away" but who wants to:

a) Pay 2 zones between Joyce and Metrotown?

 Have unnecessary transfers?

c) Experience similar crowding that is experienced on the 49?

Yes the 430 will become a B-Line in the early 2020s but it will only serve 1/3 of 49th Ave and it will be serving some of the less busy areas of E 49th.

Having a B-Line travel along 49th Avenue from UBC to Metrotown Station will:

a) Decrease travel times, passups, and overcrowding

 Increase frequency and capacity

c) Increase load/unload speeds with all-door boarding

d) Attract most riders along 49th Avenue

The 49 would see a large reduction in frequency (about every 15 min) and may be converted to regular 40 foot buses as majority of the 49's stop activity occurs within 1-2 blocks of the proposed B-Line.

 

Proposed B-Line Stops:

• UBC Exchange

• Wesbrook Mall & Agronomy Road

• 16th Avenue & Wesbrook Mall

• 41st Avenue & Dunbar Street

• 49th Avenue & Macdonald Street (Future)

• 49th Avenue & West Boulevard

• 49th Avenue & Granville Street

• 49th Avenue & Oak Street

• Langara-49th Avenue Station

• 49th Avenue & Main Street

• 49th Avenue & Fraser Street

• 49th Avenue & Knight Street

• 49th Avenue & Victoria Drive

• 49th Avenue & Elliott Street

• 49th Avenue & Kerr Street

• 49th Avenue & Tyne Street

• Metrotown Station

I don't think having two B-Line to be so close is a good idea.

 

What I think could be a good idea is add an all-day express route along the 49th that will have frequency on-par with the current 49 but not as frequent as B-Bus.

Just like a coupe of blocks away from 99 B-Bus there is 84 Express (and on the more busy western part, 44 Express), and before the 95 there is 135 Express.

 

 

Another alternative would be just extending 91 B-Bus to Metrotown, since Metrotown is a major town center in Burnaby.

[tensorflow]

Should we add a turn back siding somewhere along the southern part of the Canada Line to improve its frequency?

 

Canada Line is very crowded these days, it would be even worse with the opening of the Broadway extension.

However I don't think there is a easy way to add more car as this may require expanding a lot of the underground stations along the line.

Given by the short length of Canada Line trainset,  however, I believe we could improve its frequency.

Currently the combined frequency is 3 minutes and I believe 90s frequency is achievable since Paris Line 14 was able to do that even on using a 90 meter long train.

But the turn back ability at Richmond-Bridgehouse and YVR Airport is not enough to support a 90s frequency. We need another turn back siding somewhere.

 

If we should, where? 

Another two tracks to the East of where the potential Capstan Way station would be, forming a total of 4 tracks where the outside 2 tracks are used for future station and continue going on to Richmond-Bridgehouse and the middle 2 track for reversing direction only?

[buizelbus]

2 hours ago, tensorflow said:

Should we add a turn back siding somewhere along the southern part of the Canada Line to improve its frequency?

 

Canada Line is very crowded these days, it would be even worse with the opening of the Broadway extension.

However I don't think there is a easy way to add more car as this may require expanding a lot of the underground stations along the line.

Given by the short length of Canada Line trainset,  however, I believe we could improve its frequency.

Currently the combined frequency is 3 minutes and I believe 90s frequency is achievable since Paris Line 14 was able to do that even on using a 90 meter long train.

But the turn back ability at Richmond-Bridgehouse and YVR Airport is not enough to support a 90s frequency. We need another turn back siding somewhere.

 

If we should, where? 

Another two tracks to the East of where the potential Capstan Way station would be, forming a total of 4 tracks where the outside 2 tracks are used for future station and continue going on to Richmond-Bridgehouse and the middle 2 track for reversing direction only?

Why not just expand Brighouse? The properties across the street are getting redeveloped soon. 

[Ninja Bus Fan]

52 minutes ago, buizelbus said:

Why not just expand Brighouse? The properties across the street are getting redeveloped soon. 

Which properties are you talking about ? Cause I'm pretty sure they just completed a new condo right next to the station house just last year. 

[tensorflow]

9 hours ago, buizelbus said:

Why not just expand Brighouse? The properties across the street are getting redeveloped soon. 

If we can easily expand Landsdowne-Brighouse into two track, yes.

 

I am not sure if this is doable since this would involved closing one northbound lane of the No.3 or putting the tracks to be too close to a new condo at 6068 No 3 Rd.

Also I believe the redevelopment around the station had already been done.

[buizelbus]

9 hours ago, Ninja Bus Fan said:

Which properties are you talking about ? Cause I'm pretty sure they just completed a new condo right next to the station house just last year. 

Richmond Centre

[Transit geek]

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 1:35 PM, buizelbus said:

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 4:26 AM, Ninja Bus Fan said:

Which properties are you talking about ? Cause I'm pretty sure they just completed a new condo right next to the station house just last year. 

Richmond Centre

You mean the building with the HSBC on the ground floor? They would probably need to build the second track over it.

Regardless, it would be difficult to add a second track to the current platform without relocating utilities and the such.

Rebuilding the station might not be any much cheaper than creating a single-track loop through Richmond to keep trains moving.

[Jeffrey Ngai]

Alternatively for improved Canada Line service into Richmond, there could be some "easier" solutions compared to rebuilding the portion between Lansdowne and Richmond-Brighouse, rebuilding Richmond-Brighouse, or adding guideway. These are just some random thoughts and suggestions:

1. Reduce dwelling time at Richmond-Brighouse since trains stop for about two minutes
2. If dwelling time is absolutely needed, do it at Lansdowne
3. Change the operating pattern from 1 train to Brighouse and 1 train to YVR to 2 trains to Brighouse and 1 to YVR during peak hours, similar to how the Expo Line runs, which means combined frequency will go to every 2 minutes instead of 3
4. Maintain daytime frequency into the evening along the entire line (which depends on how frequency changes, operating patterns, etc., but pretty much a variation of the present 3 minutes combined, 6 on branches)

[tensorflow]

On 5/23/2018 at 2:25 PM, Jeffrey Ngai said:

Alternatively for improved Canada Line service into Richmond, there could be some "easier" solutions compared to rebuilding the portion between Lansdowne and Richmond-Brighouse, rebuilding Richmond-Brighouse, or adding guideway. These are just some random thoughts and suggestions:

1. Reduce dwelling time at Richmond-Brighouse since trains stop for about two minutes
2. If dwelling time is absolutely needed, do it at Lansdowne
3. Change the operating pattern from 1 train to Brighouse and 1 train to YVR to 2 trains to Brighouse and 1 to YVR during peak hours, similar to how the Expo Line runs, which means combined frequency will go to every 2 minutes instead of 3
4. Maintain daytime frequency into the evening along the entire line (which depends on how frequency changes, operating patterns, etc., but pretty much a variation of the present 3 minutes combined, 6 on branches)

I am not sure you can have an average frequency of 3 minutes on the Lansdowne-Richmond section even if you reduce the dweling time....the single track section looks long.

[Stormscape]

I mean the simplest solution for Brighouse is just build the 2nd platform across the street. Have the track split in half where it currently reduces to one track, current track on the current side of the street, the new track on the west side of 3 road, and have them rejoin south of the station.

[Transit geek]

1 hour ago, Stormscape said:

I mean the simplest solution for Brighouse is just build the 2nd platform across the street. Have the track split in half where it currently reduces to one track, current track on the current side of the street, the new track on the west side of 3 road, and have them rejoin south of the station.

An idea as terrible and as analogous as possible to the TTC subway interlining trial - at least unless they extend the line southwards to avoid confused riders taking over the streets!

[tensorflow]

I still feel like 

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Another two tracks to the East of where the potential Capstan Way station would be, forming a total of 4 tracks where the outside 2 tracks are used for future  station and continue  going on to Richmond-Bridgehouse and the middle 2 track for reversing direction only?

would be the easiest...there is virtually nothing important in Capstan Way, making construction relative easy. 

The capacity at Richmond-Bridgehouse should be good enough under a 6 minute frequency schedule, what I am really worried about regarding to Canada Line's capacity would come from all the connection buses at Bridgeport and the massive redevelopment at Oakridge. 

With 2 tracks for turning, we could potentially reach a frequency of 3 minutes for trains terminating at Capstan Way's turn back line. This would give a combined total 90s frequency between Bridgeport and Waterfront.

[8010]

9 hours ago, tensorflow said:

what I am really worried about regarding to Canada Line's capacity would come from all the connection buses at Bridgeport and the massive redevelopment at Oakridge.

I don't think Bridgeport Station will be bad when it has 21-22 routes serving it as 12 additional trains would be serving the station as well (assuming that all 12 new trains will actually be in service during peak times).

 

In regards to SeaBus, how much longer does the Burrard Beaver have for its lifespan? I feel like a replacement vessel should be included in the Phase 3 plan.