Blake M Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, LRT said: You're absolutely correct did anybody notice the missing panels on the front... again! If we all had a dollar for every missing panel on an S200, we'd all be billionaires. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chills_on_the_train Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Despite all the issues with these cars, there is one aspect to them I see a lot that I don't think gets talked about much, and that's accessibility. Many times I have watched someone in a wheelchair or with some other mobility issue struggle to board a U2 or 160. If they happen to be in front of an accessible entrance, things are a little easier, but frequently the person hasn't aligned themselves to be in a position to get to a different door in a reasonable time, especially if the platform is snowy or slippery. They then have a choice between trying to jam themselves in anyway or wait for another train. In the winter, the latter option isn't really a good one. So a lot of commotion can ensue. With a 200 though, there's never a problem. Given that public transportation likely caters to a disproportionate number of people in this situation, I am very glad these trains exist and in that regard, am eager to see them make up a higher percentage of the fleet, for the dignity on my fellow citizens. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, chills_on_the_train said: Despite all the issues with these cars, there is one aspect to them I see a lot that I don't think gets talked about much, and that's accessibility. Many times I have watched someone in a wheelchair or with some other mobility issue struggle to board a U2 or 160. If they happen to be in front of an accessible entrance, things are a little easier, but frequently the person hasn't aligned themselves to be in a position to get to a different door in a reasonable time, especially if the platform is snowy or slippery. They then have a choice between trying to jam themselves in anyway or wait for another train. In the winter, the latter option isn't really a good one. So a lot of commotion can ensue. With a 200 though, there's never a problem. Given that public transportation likely caters to a disproportionate number of people in this situation, I am very glad these trains exist and in that regard, am eager to see them make up a higher percentage of the fleet, for the dignity on my fellow citizens. I'm sure these will turn out to be good cars once all of the bugs are worked out. The series 8's were bad at first, too. Now (from what I've seen, at least), they are good cars that work well with the rest of the system. The only flaws I've seen are the uncomfortable seats and those low-hanging "next stop" signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 11:20 AM, chills_on_the_train said: Despite all the issues with these cars, there is one aspect to them I see a lot that I don't think gets talked about much, and that's accessibility. Edmonton's solution: https://www.edmonton.ca/ets/lrt-accessibility.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 I guess this raises the question, then.... Why not build the platforms to meet the height of the door threshold, so that you don't need to have a ramp at certain doors? (Or conversely, why not construct the cars so that the door threshold is the same height as the edge of the platform?) Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTrainDude Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, smallspy said: I guess this raises the question, then.... Why not build the platforms to meet the height of the door threshold, so that you don't need to have a ramp at certain doors? (Or conversely, why not construct the cars so that the door threshold is the same height as the edge of the platform?) Dan You can try to do that, but both platforms and the vehicles aren't solid, immovable objects. Platforms sink and rise with ground conditions, and vehicle heights change based on suspensions that are changing based on passenger loads and wear, tyre thickness, and even rail wear. It's difficult to match every single platform edge with every vehicle you have, hence the adjustable ramp - it can be done (they're trying with the Calgary 9s), but it means a lot more money spent on track/ballast work more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRT Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Transit has done a decent job matching up the platforms and the door. I was in Edmonton using their system recently and the step is quite significant significant compared to Calgary system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTrainDude Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, LRT said: Transit has done a decent job matching up the platforms and the door. I was in Edmonton using their system recently and the step is quite significant significant compared to Calgary system. As I'm sure you recall, they had to do a lot of ballast undercutting in the past few years at platforms to make sure those stations were at the right level.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, CTrainDude said: You can try to do that, but both platforms and the vehicles aren't solid, immovable objects. Platforms sink and rise with ground conditions, and vehicle heights change based on suspensions that are changing based on passenger loads and wear, tyre thickness, and even rail wear. It's difficult to match every single platform edge with every vehicle you have, hence the adjustable ramp - it can be done (they're trying with the Calgary 9s), but it means a lot more money spent on track/ballast work more often. Then why has it not been a problem to do that in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, to name but three locations just in Canada where they've managed to get everything more-or-less lined up? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTrainDude Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, smallspy said: Then why has it not been a problem to do that in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, to name but three locations just in Canada where they've managed to get everything more-or-less lined up? Dan I'm not sure there's a lot of frost heaving or mud ties underground in Montreal or Toronto, or above ground in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsgeek540 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, smallspy said: Then why has it not been a problem to do that in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, to name but three locations just in Canada where they've managed to get everything more-or-less lined up? Dan 15 minutes ago, CTrainDude said: I'm not sure there's a lot of frost heaving or mud ties underground in Montreal or Toronto, or above ground in Vancouver. Wouldn’t the simplier answer be the fact that those properties use direct fixation at many, if not most or all of their stations, as opposed to Calgary where we only have a handful and the core? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRT Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gsgeek540 said: Wouldn’t the simplier answer be the fact that those properties use direct fixation at many, if not most or all of their stations, as opposed to Calgary where we only have a handful and the core? Thank you I was just going to mention that. Westleg uses direct fixation at most station locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTrainDude Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, LRT said: Thank you I was just going to mention that. Westleg uses direct fixation at most station locations. I wouldn't say 'most', but definitely half (69, Westbrook, Sunalta - the grade separated ones). It's more likely you've got DF underground or above ground because you're building the concrete infrastructure anyway. That's definitely a major factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRT Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 I meant to say station locations.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake M Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, CTrainDude said: I wouldn't say 'most', but definitely half (69, Westbrook, Sunalta - the grade separated ones). It's more likely you've got DF underground or above ground because you're building the concrete infrastructure anyway. That's definitely a major factor. Actually the only ones that don't are Sirocco and Shaganappi Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 18 hours ago, CTrainDude said: I'm not sure there's a lot of frost heaving or mud ties underground in Montreal or Toronto, or above ground in Vancouver. 18 hours ago, Gsgeek540 said: Wouldn’t the simplier answer be the fact that those properties use direct fixation at many, if not most or all of their stations, as opposed to Calgary where we only have a handful and the core? Not in Montreal or Vancouver, but there are a number of stations that use ties-in-ballast at outdoor stations rather than direct fixation in Toronto - both on the subway and the UPX. And again, by-and-large there have been no ongoing and long-term issues with lining up the floor level of the equipment with the platforms. As for "not as much heaving".....the weather in Toronto may be more moderate than that in Calgary because of the lake, but that doesn't mean that frost and freezing cycles don't happen here. It happens plenty. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatcoinz Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 2452 Active on the Blue Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick B Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantograf Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Car 2455 was delivered today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRT Posted February 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Here is 2446. Doesn't even look like it's anywhere near ready for revenue service. Probably being used as a parts car... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantograf Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 That's right, car 2446 is being used as parts car since its arrival and it will most likely be the last one to enter service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicinity Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 2463-2417-2429 on the blue line right now 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRT Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 2462 just rolled into town. UNTARPED! That was a strange sight to see.. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted February 8, 2019 Board Admin Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 On Feb 1 I was in town, and got a few shots of the S200s. 2459 was running as a single car when I saw it at Brentwood that afternoon: 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantograf Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 hours ago, A. Wong said: 2459 was running as a single car when I saw it at Brentwood that afternoon: It was most likely used for training purposes as there are ongoing classes right now. 2459 is in a 3-car rush hour extra consist this morning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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