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Whats up with STM and Laval buying New Flyers? I'm guessing for comparison purposes--to compare with their Nova brand electric buses.

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If these are long-distance electric buses, than Nova has no directly comparable product. Nova's electric is a short-range version that needs to be charged every loop or two of its route.

 

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While BYD 60 footers fail to do what was promised, NFI has a different story to tell.

Source: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/11/20181116-nfi.html

"New Flyer’s 60-foot articulated heavy-duty transit bus has become the first and only sixty-foot battery-electric bus to complete the Federal Transit Administration (FTA) Model Bus Testing Program at Altoona, Pennsylvania (Altoona Testing).

With NFA’s successful completion of Altoona Testing, US transit agencies can now utilize FTA funding in support of their purchases of 60-foot (battery and fuel cell) electric Bus Rapid Transit (eBRT) buses from New Flyer, further enabling smart mobility solutions for cities across North America."

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This is an educated guess, but it appears that the HVAC was moved to the rear of the bus once again to free up roof space to accommodate the batteries so, no.

I have a pic of the demo when it visited, but I opened the hood, effectively blocking the view of the upper rear. 😕

I guess we’ll find out soon.

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New York City adds to its zero-emission fleet with an award to New Flyer for 15 low floor 60-foot Xcelsior CHARGE™ battery-electric transit buses

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/new-york-city-adds-to-its-zero-emission-fleet-with-an-award-to-new-flyer-for-15-low-floor-60-foot-xcelsior-charge-battery-electric-transit-buses-1028057098

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Fort Worth Transportation Authority in Texas has purchased (4) New Flyer Xcelsior XE35 buses. I believe these will be the first XE35 buses to officially operate for a transit agency. Can anyone confirm?

https://www.masstransitmag.com/bus/vehicles/hybrid-hydrogen-electric-vehicles/press-release/21088303/new-flyer-parts-fort-worth-transportation-authority-launches-zero-emission-service-with-buses-from-new-flyer

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Looks like the MBTA and LA Metro had their New Flyer electric Artics delivered at approximately the same time. Here is an article on the MBTA XE60 for the Silver Line featuring dual electric motors—two powered axles!

https://www.masstransitmag.com/bus/vehicles/hybrid-hydrogen-electric-vehicles/press-release/21091005/massachusetts-bay-transportation-authority-mbta-first-zeroemission-batteryelectric-buses-join-massachusetts-bay-transportation-authority

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Electric Buses in America

Lessons from Cities Pioneering Clean Transportation

A report created by U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Environment America Research & Policy Center and Frontier Group
Written by Matt Casale, U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Morgan Folger, Environment America Research & Policy Center and James Horrox, Frontier Group
 
 
The report features 6 case studies of electric bus pilots: 4 successful, 1 fail and 1 mixed.

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CDTA (Albany, NY) rolls out electric Xcelsiors.

https://www.saratogian.com/news/cdta-rolls-out-electric-buses/article_54aa0b1e-6747-56bc-acb4-2e1464c5067b.html

Some good info here!

(quote) CDTA installed four Siemens direct current depot chargers, at its 110 Watervliet Ave. facility. High efficiency LED lighting was installed in each of the charging stations to enhance safety measures. CDTA worked with National Grid and Sage Engineering to design appropriate upgrades of the electrical capacity at CDTA headquarters. Kasselman Electric was awarded a contract to make sure CDTA has the necessary electrical upgrades to support the buses.

“We know the transition to electric vehicles can be daunting for many fleet owners, especially when it comes to navigating the charging infrastructure and deployment. As the utility, we are committed to helping our customers overcome that barrier to EV adoption. The Virtual Lab with CDTA gives us the opportunity to explore this process and work hand-in-hand with our customer as they make the transition to cleaner fuels. All of this would not be possible without the forward-thinking of partners like CDTA and New York State,” Laurie Poltynski, Regional Executive Director for National Grid remarked.

Each charger weighs 5,200 pounds and contains 20 times the amount of charging capacity compared to most common electric vehicle chargers. They also have a built-in website that tracks the electric energy that is transferred to the 42 batteries contained in each bus.

Each bus costs $900,000, each charger costs $121,000. Training and tools needed for maintenance cost close to $200,000, bringing the total cost of the pilot project to $3.9 million.(unquote)

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Rochester NY is buying electric Xcelsiors (10 forty footers).

In the press release, NFI states that they have "the most electric buses on the road in America". No doubt that is because they are including electric trolleys. I think Proterra has the most battery buses already on the road in the US.

https://www.autoblog.com/press-releases/rts-expands-new-york-states-zero-emission-mobility-with-xcelsior-chargetm-buses-from-new-flyer_21910/

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King County buys 40 electric buses and plans to buy 80 more

Source: https://www.westsideseattle.com/ballard-news-tribune/2020/01/30/king-county-buys-40-electric-buses-and-plans-buy-80-more

Lots of info on pricing on these buses with huge batteries--for extra range:

"The order is comprised of 40 60-foot-long articulated buses valued at $1.3 million each for a total of approximately $50 million. The remaining 80 battery-electric buses planned for purchase include 20 more articulated buses and 60 40-foot-long buses, valued at approximately $925,000 each."

"These long-range battery-electric buses can travel approximately 140 miles on a single charge. The 11 existing short-range battery-electric buses in Metro’s fleet are 40 feet long and can travel 23 miles before requiring a 10-minute charge."

"The industry is changing rapidly, and Metro had initially pursued a different manufacturer for the purchase of 73 buses in 2017, however that manufacturer does not currently have a 60-foot-long option. New Flyer was able to meet Metro’s fleet needs, warranting a pivot in the original planned purchase. Metro continues to test coaches from several manufacturers."

Coach details

"The 120 coaches are New Flyer’s Xcelsior CHARGE model. The 60-foot-long coach has a capacity of up to 120 passengers including driver and the 40-foot-long coach can hold up to 76 including driver. Both bus models (40-foot-long and articulated 60-foot-long) have a battery size of 466 kWh."

 
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