RailBus63 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Chris H said: St. Louis Metro is getting the similarly designed Gillig buses that VTA got, albeit electric versions. https://allwheelsforward.com/st-louis-metro-partners-up-for-an-electrifying-future/ That is obviously a Photoshop, since the buses are not scheduled for delivery until 2020. It's entirely possible that the actual buses could have standard headlights or even a BRT front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doglover44 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 What would you like to see different in the Gillig family ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVTArider Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 12:09 AM, doglover44 said: What would you like to see different in the Gillig family ? Update the standard body styling a bit, some rounded edges would probably make it less dull and boxy. Redesign the frame/window lines a bit so the windows in the low floor section are a little lower Tighten up or strengthen the interior assembly hardware so a typical unit doesn't rattle like a tin cup of change on rough roads (to be fair some of the rattling comes from the seats, equipment, and most low floor buses will inevitably have some rattling on rough roads, so I don't expect them to be silent) Extend the front overhang a few inches, imagine adding 3" of space to the front door width and driver compartment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doglover44 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 I love Gillig products in my opinion nothing needs added except a artic bus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/15/2018 at 10:50 PM, MVTArider said: Update the standard body styling a bit, some rounded edges would probably make it less dull and boxy. Redesign the frame/window lines a bit so the windows in the low floor section are a little lower Tighten up or strengthen the interior assembly hardware so a typical unit doesn't rattle like a tin cup of change on rough roads (to be fair some of the rattling comes from the seats, equipment, and most low floor buses will inevitably have some rattling on rough roads, so I don't expect them to be silent) Extend the front overhang a few inches, imagine adding 3" of space to the front door width and driver compartment Agreed, plus move the HVAC unit to the roof on diesel and hybrid units. I don't know what exactly does Gillig have against roof-mounted HVAC units. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 hours ago, ABQ RIDE said: Agreed, plus move the HVAC unit to the roof on diesel and hybrid units. I don't know what exactly does Gillig have against roof-mounted HVAC units. I assume they will eventually offer a roof-mounted A/C, as this seems to be where the industry is slowly headed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 18 hours ago, ABQ RIDE said: I don't know what exactly does Gillig have against roof-mounted HVAC units. Probably because it involves more plumbing and wiring, and thus more engineering. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQ RIDE Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, smallspy said: Probably because it involves more plumbing and wiring, and thus more engineering. Dan But roof-mounted HVAC units are supposed to be more effective. I think the pros outweigh the cons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, ABQ RIDE said: But roof-mounted HVAC units are supposed to be more effective. I think the pros outweigh the cons. Effective how? Because that’s certainly not my experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR Transit Fan Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 3:48 PM, ABQ RIDE said: Agreed, plus move the HVAC unit to the roof on diesel and hybrid units. I don't know what exactly does Gillig have against roof-mounted HVAC units. What is the big deal about roof mounted AC? So far it seems to me that the only difference is some agencies prefer one over the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSpades Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 On 5/10/2018 at 4:02 PM, neoartic7101 said: KCATA/RideKC should be receiving new CNG standard buses this year to replace the rest of the 2300's and some of the 2400 series Gilligs they already have (and may replace the 2005 BRTs 3500-3512), wonder if they will receive this front cap. The 2005 BRT's won't be replaced until next year when the new buses for the Prospect MAX get ordered, do it all at once. The new Gillig's (4800-4819) replaced the rest of the 2003's (2300s) and most of the 2004's (2400s). KCATA has downsized it's large fleet greatly. The new 29 footers (S211-S228) replaced the 2007 buses (S130-S136) and many of the 2008 1 door 29 footers (S137-S159). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XN40 Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 One MTS contracted division is getting buses starting at 2781 but only 6 of them have been budgeted in the board. Rest of the money is going to an unknown vendor for FY19 for Commuter Coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Diesel 6V92TA Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 Going somewhat off of the previous talk about roof mounted A/C's, I kinda wish there were more Phantoms built with rear windows. They looked pretty cool except for the rear sign placement on the King County Metro & Monterey-Salinas units in my opinion. I would have preferred if they had the rear sign placed by the rear window inside the bus, similar to how SF Muni did it with the Neoplans & NABI's. There was a 3rd agency in New York with 2003 Phantoms with rear windows that didn't have that funky rear sign, however I believe most of those have unfortunately retired this year. Anyway, the 3 known agencies with rear window Phantoms all did not have A/C spec'd on them. I fancy what a rear window Phantom with rooftop A/C would look like... maybe kind of weird. I also really wonder what a Gillig Low Floor would have looked like with a rear window and or rooftop A/C. This was Ex-MST 1119 at Zacher's Auto Salvage in SoCal on 12/29/16 (exactly 2 years ago, wow). Not sure if this one survived, but it did have a CA compliant exhaust and stuff gets resold all the time from here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexb320 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Gillig has finally updated their website and moved things around a bit and added the Battery Electric bus option. They also changed how they categorize the bus styling and options and it looks much better in my opinion. Also, the "Gillig LowFloor Plus" is now officially considered a styling option. This option is what the new Battery Electric buses are based off, but you can also order this option in Diesel, CNG, and Hybrid. https://www.gillig.com/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVTArider Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 I agree, much better looking! I do wish they would update the exterior styling on their buses a bit though. The LF+ still looks cobbled together to me with the headlight modules obviously being the same as the BRT ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasbo2 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 On 9/13/2018 at 1:09 AM, doglover44 said: What would you like to see different in the Gillig family ? I would like to see gillig extend their engine options to more than just Cummins. That way transit operators can decide which engine will fit their needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, chasbo2 said: I would like to see gillig extend their engine options to more than just Cummins. That way transit operators can decide which engine will fit their needs. Cummins has a monopoly on medium displacement engines. Gillig is powerless to change that. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz2kb Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Bus_Medic said: Cummins has a monopoly on medium displacement engines. Gillig is powerless to change that. Can someone explain the reasons behind this Cummins monopoly? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Buzz2kb said: Can someone explain the reasons behind this Cummins monopoly? Thanks! There is not a large volume in transit bus engines, and it's expensive to engineer engines to meet emission standards while keeping the engine reliable in a transit application. Detroit Diesel (now Mercedes) and Caterpillar pulled out of the Canadian and American transit bus market about the time emission requirements started getting difficult. IIRC, Caterpillar now only makes off-highway engines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz2kb Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, AMG said: There is not a large volume in transit bus engines, and it's expensive to engineer engines to meet emission standards while keeping the engine reliable in a transit application. Detroit Diesel (now Mercedes) and Caterpillar pulled out of the Canadian and American transit bus market about the time emission requirements started getting difficult. IIRC, Caterpillar now only makes off-highway engines. Then what makes Cummins more successful than the other two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandeWest_B35G Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Buzz2kb said: Then what makes Cummins more successful than the other two? They were able to keep up with the regulations first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Buzz2kb said: Then what makes Cummins more successful than the other two? Cummins is an absolutely massive company that provides not only engines to the heavy-duty vehicle market, but also to the passenger vehicle and military segments. Catarpillar is also a massive company but has largely serviced the off-highway markets and still flourishes there (indeed, many of their on-highway products are made by third parties and simply branded as Cat). They likely felt that the volumes required to service the on-highway market properly weren't worth it. As for Mercedes? I don't know. Perhaps they too felt that the market segment was too small to be worth investing in. Dan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doglover44 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 We just got our 2019 Low Floor Advantages last fall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doglover44 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Glad to see there starting to go electric 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board Admin A. Wong Posted January 14, 2020 Board Admin Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Quote The Rhode Island Public Transit Authority (RIPTA) announced today that the agency's new 2019 buses are equipped with solar panels to optimize vehicle battery performance and life. The thirty-three new buses, manufactured by GILLIG in California, are part of regular fleet refurbishment and replace older buses that are being retired. Manufactured by eNow Inc. of Warwick, R.I., the systems use solar energy to optimize battery life performance, resulting in more reliability when buses are started and less strain on the alternator throughout the day as the vehicles operate auxiliary systems such as on-board electronics. The solar energy is captured by lightweight panels installed on the roofs of the buses. The Rhode Island Commerce Corp. is helping to finance the project with a renewable energy grant of $42,800 that covered about two thirds of the cost. https://www.metro-magazine.com/bus/news/737006/new-ripta-buses-equipped-with-solar-panels-to-boost-battery-life 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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