DL1892 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 The new GO Schedules already list it as 'Kitchener GO' But on the contrary Aldershot is served by Via, and GO still refers to it as "Aldershot GO". This happens a lot, though I think it's just Kitchener Station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Man Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 3 Day Passes for only $10.00, for sale on Kijiji. Apparently only good until Dec. 31st (2011) http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-...QAdIdZ327896621 I didn't think you could "resell" these (or tickets, either?) Tickets for sale too!!! http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-...QAdIdZ321009171 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRTMOFO Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Why wouldn't you be able to resell tickets ?? People regularly ask for transfers and sell them on the platform to others for a buck or less. Sometimes they give them away. GRT is getting seriously screwed when it comes to fares. Unfortunately this is self-inflicted by poor design and lack of enforcement. I.E. they do not care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylortbb Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Why wouldn't you be able to resell tickets ?? Agreed. As long as they're not stolen or fake, what's wrong with passing along tickets you're not using? GRT still got paid in full for them by the original purchaser. People regularly ask for transfers and sell them on the platform to others for a buck or less. Sometimes they give them away.GRT is getting seriously screwed when it comes to fares. Unfortunately this is self-inflicted by poor design and lack of enforcement. I.E. they do not care. I think is a case of enforcement being more expensive than the problem. Short of somehow indicating who a transfer belongs to it's pretty hard to prevent someone from passing it along. Sure, we could write people's names on their transfers and ask to see ID every time they tried to board the bus using one, but that would be a pretty crappy and expensive solution. Eventually Presto will reduce this, but even then there will be paper transfers for those that pay cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Man Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 GRT is getting seriously screwed when it comes to fares. Unfortunately this is self-inflicted by poor design and lack of enforcement. I.E. they do not care. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpd618 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 GRT is getting seriously screwed when it comes to fares. Unfortunately this is self-inflicted by poor design and lack of enforcement. I.E. they do not care. What is your estimate for the proportion of trips for which adequate fare is not paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transpo Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 regionofwaterloo.ca/transithub/ (without the "R" ) is online. Does anyone know if this "hub" will completely replace the Charles Street terminal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit 20 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 hey there what i been told yes charles street terminal will be rip down after the transit hub is built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpd618 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Does anyone know if this "hub" will completely replace the Charles Street terminal? It would replace part of the function of the Charles Street terminal -- intercity buses and some local routes. But some of the current Charles Street function would be eliminated altogether through route reorganization into more of a grid pattern and around the iXpress 200 / LRT line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit 20 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 hey everybody i was told from a driver tonight that a cambridge bus burn on friday does anybody know what unit it was ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GRT Kid Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit 20 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 hey there she said the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRT 9401 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hopefully an Orion VII.. Haha, worst buses ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRTMOFO Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 What is your estimate for the proportion of trips for which adequate fare is not paid? Well in terms of a percentage I have no idea. In terms of dollars and cents, enforcement would be FAR cheaper. Let's say that each day every operator loses only ONE fare ......... Approx (full-time) 370 drivers * 250 working days a year * 2.50 = $231,250 And I can assure you it is many times that. It is not even debatable. There are no consequences to defrauding GRT and everyone knows it. And it's getting worse by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL1892 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well in terms of a percentage I have no idea. In terms of dollars and cents, enforcement would be FAR cheaper.Let's say that each day every operator loses only ONE fare ......... Approx (full-time) 370 drivers * 250 working days a year * 2.50 = $231,250 And I can assure you it is many times that. It is not even debatable. There are no consequences to defrauding GRT and everyone knows it. And it's getting worse by the day. Fare evasion happens on just about every system in the world. Assuming your math is right, which I assume it is much lower than what the number really is, that would be enough for 5 or 6 enforcement officers who still cannot patrol every route at every given time, which in turn would cause the GRT to spend more money while still losing fares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpd618 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well in terms of a percentage I have no idea. In terms of dollars and cents, enforcement would be FAR cheaper. That's really not clear to me. Who would be doing the enforcement and how much would they be paid? How much time would have to be spent by drivers and passengers when enforcement happens? What is the cost of the drivers' time? What is the value of the lost passenger time? Many of those who engage in fare fraud or evasion are not a potential fare and would just not ride otherwise, so there are limits to how much you can "recover". And if the enforcement is not sufficient, then it's hardly a deterrent. That said, I would support having fare enforcement officers, but not because they can squeeze out a tiny bit more revenue. Rather, it would make for a reduction in costs and an improvement in overall service by allowing (perhaps selective) roll-out of a proof-of-payment system and all-door boarding. I should also say that I might be less skeptical on fare enforcement if there were some numbers to back it up locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4500 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 That's really not clear to me. Who would be doing the enforcement and how much would they be paid? How much time would have to be spent by drivers and passengers when enforcement happens? What is the cost of the drivers' time? What is the value of the lost passenger time?Many of those who engage in fare fraud or evasion are not a potential fare and would just not ride otherwise, so there are limits to how much you can "recover". And if the enforcement is not sufficient, then it's hardly a deterrent. That said, I would support having fare enforcement officers, but not because they can squeeze out a tiny bit more revenue. Rather, it would make for a reduction in costs and an improvement in overall service by allowing (perhaps selective) roll-out of a proof-of-payment system and all-door boarding. I should also say that I might be less skeptical on fare enforcement if there were some numbers to back it up locally. Just found this article, wich is some-what related to this thread at the moment. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/drivers+r...6658/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpd618 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Just found this article, wich is some-what related to this thread at the moment.http://www.vancouversun.com/news/drivers+r...6658/story.html This kind of thing is a good reason to prefer a system of proof-of-payment with enforcement by dedicated officers and not by drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transpo Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Just found this article, wich is some-what related to this thread at the moment.http://www.vancouversun.com/news/drivers+r...6658/story.html It is never right to assult someone, but bus drivers are known, in this Region too, to be aggressive at times. At times younger people may not think and assult a driver as a result of an aggressive driver. Again, not acceptable, but I've seen drivers, unfortunately, verbally assult passengers on GRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivablue5215 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Winter service changes are up. They're adding ridiculous time to the 12...16 minutes between Westmount/Highland and Forest Glen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit 20 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 hey everybody i got a picture of the new bus plus picture on the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GRT Kid Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greater Golden Horseshoe Transit Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I'm certainly concerned with a few things I see in the coming P&W Committee Report for December 6... 1) The LRT as long suspected by many is proposed to be privatized, I was holding out hope that the Region would keep this service publicly operated until something 'in writing' was presented to the contrary; which it now appears is being done. Time to funnel more local tax dollars into private companies? 2) Also, we now see that the GO Shuttle service is going to be contracted out to busPLUS (ie. Hendry Coach) which would probably explain the removal of it from the GRT operator's schedule last week, this is in addition to the planned expansion of busPLUS service to Doon South in Fall 2012 which is even more work being contracted out. I'm terribly disappointed by these developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transpo Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I'm certainly concerned with a few things I see in the coming P&W Committee Report for December 6...1) The LRT as long suspected by many is proposed to be privatized, I was holding out hope that the Region would keep this service publicly operated until something 'in writing' was presented to the contrary; which it now appears is being done. Time to funnel more local tax dollars into private companies? 2) Also, we now see that the GO Shuttle service is going to be contracted out to busPLUS (ie. Hendry Coach) which would probably explain the removal of it from the GRT operator's schedule last week, this is in addition to the planned expansion of busPLUS service to Doon South in Fall 2012 which is even more work being contracted out. I'm terribly disappointed by these developments. And from the above report.... The proposed King/Victoria Transit Hub will potentially be integrated into a combination of public and private sector higher density developments on the site, possibly including mixed use commercial/office development served by a large multi-level underground commercial parking structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Man Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I'm terribly disappointed by these developments. I'm terribly disappointed ........................ with these developments, and GRT management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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