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I have noticed two new things appearing on "old" busses. The first is Nova-style hand-wavy rear doors on some 1992 D40LFs and 1996 C40LFs. The second is television screens on some C40LFs. Why is this happening? Is GRT replacing broken rear-door systems with wavy-hand ones? Are they planning to have us watch television (ads!) on the bus? I have a feeling somehow that the telvision monitors are an old idea that never caught on (but there is the GPS noted earlier in this thread, which may be related to the screens?)

Actually, the TV screens on the C40LFs are left-overs from Kitchener Transit's brief experiment with IT TV (In-Transit Television) which also operated (and may still, I don't know) on Brampton Transit buses.

It wasn't very successful, the same information was displayed weeks on end (including the weather forcasts), most of the time the video was the same one being shown in Brampton, with Brampton related ads etc., then to add insult to injury some people were actually stealing the TV's out of the buses parked outside at night. So a combination of factors likely led to the program being cancelled, but some TV's still remain on the buses.

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Actually, the TV screens on the C40LFs are left-overs from Kitchener Transit's brief experiment with IT TV (In-Transit Television) which also operated (and may still, I don't know) on Brampton Transit buses.

It wasn't very successful, the same information was displayed weeks on end (including the weather forcasts), most of the time the video was the same one being shown in Brampton, with Brampton related ads etc., then to add insult to injury some people were actually stealing the TV's out of the buses parked outside at night. So a combination of factors likely led to the program being cancelled, but some TV's still remain on the buses.

It-Tv went out of business shortly.

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So how many buses are currently TV equipted?

That's a good question. My uneducated guess is "two or three."

Today I saw bus 2422 waiting at King and University, heading southbound on King Street. That's all well and good, but the engine compartment was open! (I know nothing more than that it was sitting there with the engine compartment open).

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Brampton's fleet of Orion VI's (9641-45 and 9846-64) were the only ones equipped with the IT-TV's. From sometime in 2001 onward they weren't used, and all had their TV's removed in/by 2004.

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How many buses that are going to arrive in 2007 will go to Cambridge and Kitchener? I know that the Kitchener garage will retire 7 or so highfloors :huh: , but is cambridge getting any of those brand new novas?

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There are also a few 94XX series buses that have monitors in them. As mentioned earlier, the program never really took off as the company who provided the service went bust.

I actually saw a 94xx bus the other day with one monitor in it. The other has mysteriously disappeared from the box in the ceiling that's supposed to hold it up.

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Funny thing I saw today (Friday), I saw a bus on Route 10 with digital signs "10 Pioneer" on them rather than "10 Conestoga College" or "10 Fairview Mall".

I'm very happy to see that. I've been suggesting to GRT staff for a long time that GRT needs a standardized signage policy on all routes so it's easy to figure out where the bus is going (considering also that a number of routes back-track on themselves). Amongst other things I made the suggestions that Route 10 - Conestoga College/Fairview Park Mall be named the 10 Pioneer, and the 16 Forest Glen/Conestoga College be called the 16 Huron (whether I or someone else influenced the decision is anybody's guess, but I digress). All routes would have names, and the destinations would be displayed afterwards (in the case of old roll signs, only the route name would be displayed).

- [#] [NAME] to [DESTINATION]

- 10 Pioneer to Conestoga College

- 16 Huron to Forest Glen

The signage would work the same way as HSR's signs (e.g. 27 Upper James to Mountain Garage, 2 Barton to Bell Manor Loop).

Opinions?? :)

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Funny thing I saw today (Friday), I saw a bus on Route 10 with digital signs "10 Pioneer" on them rather than "10 Conestoga College" or "10 Fairview Mall".

I'm very happy to see that. I've been suggesting to GRT staff for a long time that GRT needs a standardized signage policy on all routes so it's easy to figure out where the bus is going (considering also that a number of routes back-track on themselves). Amongst other things I made the suggestions that Route 10 - Conestoga College/Fairview Park Mall be named the 10 Pioneer, and the 16 Forest Glen/Conestoga College be called the 16 Huron (whether I or someone else influenced the decision is anybody's guess, but I digress). All routes would have names, and the destinations would be displayed afterwards (in the case of old roll signs, only the route name would be displayed).

- [#] [NAME] to [DESTINATION]

- 10 Pioneer to Conestoga College

- 16 Huron to Forest Glen

The signage would work the same way as HSR's signs (e.g. 27 Upper James to Mountain Garage, 2 Barton to Bell Manor Loop).

Opinions?? :)

Actually when the sign says 10 Pioneer, it is only going as far as Homer Watson and Pioneer Dr. These buses are out of service after that and do not go to the College.

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Actually when the sign says 10 Pioneer, it is only going as far as Homer Watson and Pioneer Dr. These buses are out of service after that and do not go to the College.

:) How can that be acurate? There are no scheduled trips that end at Homer Watson & Pioneer, and the bus appeared to be carrying what looked like College Students. Maybe a miskeyed destination sign??

Still, the underlying point I'm trying to make is that GRT's signs can be confusing to the novice rider, some routes have signage like HSR's (19 Victoria South to Highland Hills) and some don't (4 Glasgow...despite the fact the Glasgow Street is in the middle of the route, and not its final destination, good choice for route name though)

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:) How can that be acurate? There are no scheduled trips that end at Homer Watson & Pioneer, and the bus appeared to be carrying what looked like College Students. Maybe a miskeyed destination sign??

Still, the underlying point I'm trying to make is that GRT's signs can be confusing to the novice rider, some routes have signage like HSR's (19 Victoria South to Highland Hills) and some don't (4 Glasgow...despite the fact the Glasgow Street is in the middle of the route, and not its final destination, good choice for route name though)

If it was full of people it was likely the wrong signage, you are right. It use to be part of the Conestoga College express that ran from Fairview. Do you know if there is still a college express that runs from Fairview Mall?

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If it was full of people it was likely the wrong signage, you are right. It use to be part of the Conestoga College express that ran from Fairview. Do you know if there is still a college express that runs from Fairview Mall?

Yes, Route 110. The schedule for 110 is integrated with the Route 10 schedule...

http://www.grt.ca/web/transit.nsf/DocID/F0...pdf?openelement

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Yes, Route 110. The schedule for 110 is integrated with the Route 10 schedule...

http://www.grt.ca/web/transit.nsf/DocID/F0...pdf?openelement

Speaking of the route 110 express, did anyone notice how strange this route actually is? Although this may be the route for the #10, shouldn't the express actually be an express and only use manitou and homer watson? I find it weird that an EXPRESS bus should need to follow this slow and winding route.

Cheers.

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Yes, Route 110. The schedule for 110 is integrated with the Route 10 schedule...

http://www.grt.ca/web/transit.nsf/DocID/F0...pdf?openelement

Thanks for that schedule. If you look at the 5:15pm trip from Fairview, you will notice that it only goes as far as Pioneer and Homer Watson. That must be why the destination sign stated 10 Pioneer. I guess all those people had to get off and wait for the next one at that location.

Speaking of the route 110 express, did anyone notice how strange this route actually is? Although this may be the route for the #10, shouldn't the express actually be an express and only use manitou and homer watson? I find it weird that an EXPRESS bus should need to follow this slow and winding route.

Cheers.

Actually the map doesnt show it but I think that is the way it goes. It turns left off Manitou and goes directly to the college along Homer Watson.

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Actually the map doesnt show it but I think that is the way it goes. It turns left off Manitou and goes directly to the college along Homer Watson.

O, I always thought that it would follow this route. If it does, it'd be very strange. Anyone know the situation with this route?

Cheers

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Thanks for that schedule. If you look at the 5:15pm trip from Fairview, you will notice that it only goes as far as Pioneer and Homer Watson. That must be why the destination sign stated 10 Pioneer. I guess all those people had to get off and wait for the next one at that location.

Ther's an error on the schedule then, because the trip is highlighted in Black like an express trip yet has timepoints like the regular Route 10. Either way, it was after 6:00 when I saw the bus Friday evening, so it must've been a miskeyed sign.

Actually the map doesnt show it but I think that is the way it goes. It turns left off Manitou and goes directly to the college along Homer Watson.

O, I always thought that it would follow this route. If it does, it'd be very strange. Anyone know the situation with this route?

Cheers

Yes the Route 110 does go straight down Homer Watson from Manitou. I've suggested several times that the route should be shown on the maps (Pocket Timetable and System Wide Map) so people know where it goes, but if you look at the System Map, GRT seems content on a little oval style line map in a small inset.

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Ther's an error on the schedule then, because the trip is highlighted in Black like an express trip yet has timepoints like the regular Route 10. Either way, it was after 6:00 when I saw the bus Friday evening, so it must've been a miskeyed sign.

Yes the Route 110 does go straight down Homer Watson from Manitou. I've suggested several times that the route should be shown on the maps (Pocket Timetable and System Wide Map) so people know where it goes, but if you look at the System Map, GRT seems content on a little oval style line map in a small inset.

Thanks, that really cleared things up.

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:) About time, I was getting sick of them, they've been on for an eternity.

This is a God-send! It was so hard to see out of those busses... and the Orion VIIs are already dark inside, by nature.

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:P About time, I was getting sick of them, they've been on for an eternity.

I agree, how many years were they on the buses for? :P At first, they were so easy to spot, but then they started to go away (at least for me) ^_^ Any future wraps?

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Speaking of the route 110 express, did anyone notice how strange this route actually is? Although this may be the route for the #10, shouldn't the express actually be an express and only use manitou and homer watson? I find it weird that an EXPRESS bus should need to follow this slow and winding route.

Cheers.

Usually if you see a 110 express running"through the bush" as it's called it's because the construction on Homer Watson and the 401 have traffic backed up so fa thats it's pointless to sit in it.

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