buizelbus Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, DarkKeyo said: But, since they run in a circle, they switch from 5 to 6 and 6 to 5, but it's the same bus going around. It's not intuitive Would you rather have a "5 Downtown Ring Clockwise" and "6 Downtown Ring Counterclock Wise"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, buizelbus said: Would you rather have a "5 Downtown Ring Clockwise" and "6 Downtown Ring Counterclock Wise"? This is exactly why they wanted to re-do 606/608. "Ring" routes are confusing as hell and CW/CCW sounds too confusing and a crap load to put up on a sign. "5 ROBSON LOOP CCW" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Large Cat said: The 15/50 split makes no sense to me either AIUI the ridership on the #15 is so low that there's discussion of having alternating #50 trips terminate at Olympic Village rather than continuing onto the #15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Large Cat Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, GORDOOM said: AIUI the ridership on the #15 is so low that there's discussion of having alternating #50 trips terminate at Olympic Village rather than continuing onto the #15. Ah I see. Makes sense then. Perhaps they could do a one way loop via Cambie, Broadway, Ash, 6th. Serving the 15 partially with shuttles would make sense. Maybe once the Arbutus extension is built, they could get rid of the 84 and extend the 50 to VCC-Clark with local service to serve the cut portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 I remember I was in one of the consultation and the planner told me that they are trying to simply the routes and avoid one-way service because they are confusing and bad for attracting ridership. If a passenger takes bus 234 to their destination, they are expected to take 234 back home, not 235 or 244. I guess this is the reason why they are splitting the routes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover5949 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 With the construction on the Burrard Bridge now completed (back in early December I think it was) I thought the 22 Knight/Macdonald was going to be reinstated back to Dunbar Loop & the 2 Macdonald - 16th restored? Is this plan now shelved or is it going to be restored in April? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, dover5949 said: With the construction on the Burrard Bridge now completed (back in early December I think it was) I thought the 22 Knight/Macdonald was going to be reinstated back to Dunbar Loop & the 2 Macdonald - 16th restored? Is this plan now shelved or is it going to be restored in April? I hope it's shelved. Given how bad downtown traffic is at the best of times, it really makes more sense to run each of those routes completely separately from anything else. Shorter routes are more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 And having 2 and 22 separate is in line with what TransLink is doing elsewhere in the region, so I don't think the old route 2 will ever be restored. On 1/15/2018 at 11:43 AM, nname said: I don't think that matters anymore... see how fast they reused 189... I think as long as it's not within the past 5 years, it's probably okay. I should add... just realized that reusing the number from very notable discontinued route such as B-Line is not entirely out of the question now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, nname said: And having 2 and 22 separate is in line with what TransLink is doing elsewhere in the region, so I don't think the old route 2 will ever be restored. I should add... just realized that reusing the number from very notable discontinued route such as B-Line is not entirely out of the question now.... ...which might get tricky if and once we have more than 10 B-lines. I do recall that what is now the 96 B-line was supposed to be called route #399 (not sure if that was an 'official' speculation or not (if someone could pull up a source or not that would be great). Could also use sources that lead to the creation of the 96 please and ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Wouldn't it make more sense to reserve #399 for a B-Line service on Highway 99? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, GORDOOM said: Wouldn't it make more sense to reserve #399 for a B-Line service on Highway 99? Technically speaking, King George was designated Highway 99A at least for the early stages of planning the route. Anyways here is proof that there was an open house for the 399 and (what would become) the 531. It was held in Semiahmoo mall in 2009. I can't find an official source aside from a forum (and unfortunately Paul Hillsdon's blog has been taken down), but according to Paul Hillsdon, the route was to be implemented without articulated buses. The 399 would eventually be cancelled altogether due to a funding shortfall. http://buzzer.translink.ca/2009/05/today-open-house-for-531-and-399-routes-at-semiahmoo-mall/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 The 399 and 531 went as far as being entered into the scheduling system before they gets removed due to funding shortfall. If I was posting those updates at that time, you would've seen them here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Express691 said: Technically speaking, King George was designated Highway 99A at least for the early stages of planning the route. Anyways here is proof that there was an open house for the 399 and (what would become) the 531. It was held in Semiahmoo mall in 2009. I can't find an official source aside from a forum (and unfortunately Paul Hillsdon's blog has been taken down), but according to Paul Hillsdon, the route was to be implemented without articulated buses. The 399 would eventually be cancelled altogether due to a funding shortfall. http://buzzer.translink.ca/2009/05/today-open-house-for-531-and-399-routes-at-semiahmoo-mall/ Archived version of the site avaliable https://web.archive.org/web/20090826233827/http://www.paulhillsdon.com/blog/2009/04/30/details-on-399-king-george-b-line-and-more/ Most interesting tidbit (beyond the timelines proposed) was that every second 399 was supposed to run to White Rock Ctr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Another interesting tidbit I'd say is a proposed exchange at 156th at 104th. Originally supposed to come with nearby retail, but that part fell through with the recession. Now all that's left is to dig up a source that highlights the 399's cancellation due to the funding shortfall. (Though it would be also be nice to be able to find documents related to the original project). Thanks in advance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Does this count: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zkzwydmztfw/Coast_Mountain_Bus_Company_2009-2010_Service_Plan.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKeyo Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 hours ago, nname said: I should add... just realized that reusing the number from very notable discontinued route such as B-Line is not entirely out of the question now.... Yes, since they have plans for more B-lines than there are numbers left that start with '90' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8800GTX Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 21 hours ago, nname said: The 399 and 531 went as far as being entered into the scheduling system before they gets removed due to funding shortfall. If I was posting those updates at that time, you would've seen them here What!? How frequent was it going to be at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express691 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, 8800GTX said: What!? How frequent was it going to be at the time? According to Paul Hillsdon's archived blog, the frequency was supposed to be every 7.5 minutes with every second trip to white rock. Changes to the 320/321 are the same as today than what was proposed in 2009. The only kink is the 394 which would have been cancelled entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nname Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 And the renumber continues for April~ Bowen Island changes: 280 Bluewater/Snug Cove 281 Eagle Cliff/Snug Cove Wonder where the 270-series would go... And.. still trying to figure out if that 98 is in the actual April sheet or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVTArider Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 11:28 AM, DarkKeyo said: Yes, since they have plans for more B-lines than there are numbers left that start with '90' They could switch them to something like B1, B2, B10, etc. Wound help differentiate the service a bit, like the C(X) community shuttles or N(X) night routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GORDOOM Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 hours ago, MVTArider said: They could switch them to something like B1, B2, B10, etc. Wound help differentiate the service a bit, like the C(X) community shuttles or N(X) night routes. I prefer the idea of using #x9x, so as to preserve the geographic associations - e.g., re-number the King George B-Line to #396. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKeyo Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 The B-lines having their own consistent numbering system would help, especially with the focus on 'branding' that Translink seems to be going for. But the best and most efficient numbering system for any transit system is 'the one that's already there, unless it is totally disorganized'. Changing the numbering system costs money and causes confusion, and I have no idea why Translink, who can barely keep up with the current system and the 10 year plan, is changing so many numbers right now. 2 hours ago, GORDOOM said: I prefer the idea of using #x9x, so as to preserve the geographic associations - e.g., re-number the King George B-Line to #396. Half of the B-lines cross between areas of the geographic numbering system, eg. the 95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Large Cat Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Right now I'm thinking it might be smartest to leave the B-Line numbering system as is, and eat into the 8x's if, God willing, more than 9 B-lines start operating simultaneously. In that case, hopefully the 84 would be obsolete, and you could start to rebrand those numbers starting with an 89 B-Line or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmward Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 If it became an issue, they could dip into the 900s for B-line routes. I know 998 and such are internal codes for the skytrain lines, but B-lines are rapid after all... I don't see any reason to switch the current system any time soon though. The #99 has so much identity and identifiability to it too, more than any other route i'd bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 22 hours ago, nname said: And the renumber continues for April~ Bowen Island changes: 280 Bluewater/Snug Cove 281 Eagle Cliff/Snug Cove Wonder where the 270-series would go... And.. still trying to figure out if that 98 is in the actual April sheet or not... 270s were BC Rail routes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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