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Speaking of R2, a brief mention by TransLink at this year's railvolution claims that the route has been delayed again to April 2020, citing construction delays.

However, it may be as evident already as an extended bay at Phibbs hasn't been constructed yet.

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Spotted an E60LFR on route 20 displaying DDR Vehicle. What does this mean?

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1 hour ago, Thomasw said:

Spotted an E60LFR on route 20 displaying DDR Vehicle. What does this mean?

DDR is Dedicated Disaster Response vehicle I believe. Basically in the event of an emergency buses may be used for shelter/transport to help people in need. Sometimes the code to display that message is entered by mistake, I've seen it around before and I know numerous other people have too.

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4 hours ago, Evan Hancock said:

The 239 or whatever route will go from Phibbs to Cap u once the rapid bus comes in place, has to use articulated buses. 2 bus wait at Phibbs this morning to get to Cap U. Maybe reduce amount of artics on the 49 to allow some to be transferred to BTC. Or perhaps extend the 27 and 160 to Cap as well

With the shuttle going every 8 minutes and not having to come from Park Royal, it'll get better. The frequent 28-130-not239 will hopefully prevent some of those lineups that stretch across the exchange and cause the passups. Hopefully the design of the Exchange will help that too. They will have to try and schedule the new Capilano Shuttle so that it doesn't leave right before the 28, 130, 210, 211, and R2 show up, because that's what's always made me have to wait for two 239's. But, those buses come from across the bridge/across the North Shore, so they are only as consistent as the traffic in those places. The other problem is that CapU traffic maxes out at 830, 10, 1130, and 1, because of when classes are. 

The bridges are at about their limit in how fast they can get buses across. I don't know how the future Phibbs-Skytrain Express is going to work, because skipping the local stops in East Vancouver/North Burnaby by staying on the highway means that highway traffic jams will get in the way instead. 

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10 hours ago, Evan Hancock said:

The 239 or whatever route will go from Phibbs to Cap u once the rapid bus comes in place, has to use articulated buses. 2 bus wait at Phibbs this morning to get to Cap U. Maybe reduce amount of artics on the 49 to allow some to be transferred to BTC. Or perhaps extend the 27 and 160 to Cap as well

Are you serious about removing artics from the 49??? Do you ever ride the 49??? If not I suggest you spend a few hours at E. 49 & Main & observe the loads on the route! This afternoon around 4pm I observed 4 in a row displaying "Sorry Bus Full" heading for Metrotown. The 49 is one of the busiest crosstown routes in Vancouver/Burnaby so removing artics from RTC to BTC won't happen!

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11 hours ago, Evan Hancock said:

The 239 or whatever route will go from Phibbs to Cap u once the rapid bus comes in place, has to use articulated buses. 2 bus wait at Phibbs this morning to get to Cap U. Maybe reduce amount of artics on the 49 to allow some to be transferred to BTC. Or perhaps extend the 27 and 160 to Cap as well

The 160 is over 25 km long and is effectively like one of the trolley routes in Vancouver in terms of how many stops it has. It won't really work to extend it another few kms and risk Ironworkers traffic ruining everything.

Extending the 27 has the possibility of working, though, on the condition that they pull a 130 and have only half of the trips going to the north shore for reasons of Ironworkers traffic

1 hour ago, dover5949 said:

Are you serious about removing artics from the 49??? Do you ever ride the 49??? If not I suggest you spend a few hours at E. 49 & Main & observe the loads on the route! This afternoon around 4pm I observed 4 in a row displaying "Sorry Bus Full" heading for Metrotown. The 49 is one of the busiest crosstown routes in Vancouver/Burnaby so removing artics from RTC to BTC won't happen!

The 49 is suffering from a desperate lack of luggage rack busses right now. Can we get a count on how many people can fit in those overhead racks on the Nova Suburbans?

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8 hours ago, dover5949 said:

Are you serious about removing artics from the 49??? Do you ever ride the 49??? If not I suggest you spend a few hours at E. 49 & Main & observe the loads on the route! This afternoon around 4pm I observed 4 in a row displaying "Sorry Bus Full" heading for Metrotown. The 49 is one of the busiest crosstown routes in Vancouver/Burnaby so removing artics from RTC to BTC won't happen!

Not only 4pm but he buses toward UBC between 7:30 and 9:00 are always skipping stops because they have passengers always crammed to the windshield of the bus. I think there should be some 49 Express that operates during peak hours and that only stops at major intersections 

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46 minutes ago, Thomasw said:

Not only 4pm but he buses toward UBC between 7:30 and 9:00 are always skipping stops because they have passengers always crammed to the windshield of the bus. I think there should be some 49 Express that operates during peak hours and that only stops at major intersections 

49th Ave needs a 43-like service that operates during peak times, with the possibility of a RapidBus upgrade in the future. As great as R4 is going to be it'll barely take passengers off the 49, especially with the zone barrier still in effect between Joyce and Metrotown. If anything the 49 will get busier with the reroute through Wesbrook Village.

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10 hours ago, dover5949 said:

Are you serious about removing artics from the 49??? Do you ever ride the 49??? If not I suggest you spend a few hours at E. 49 & Main & observe the loads on the route! This afternoon around 4pm I observed 4 in a row displaying "Sorry Bus Full" heading for Metrotown. The 49 is one of the busiest crosstown routes in Vancouver/Burnaby so removing artics from RTC to BTC won't happen!

I don’t take the 49 during rush hour times; and besides; once the R4 comes, more people will want to use that.

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12 minutes ago, Evan Hancock said:

I don’t take the 49 during rush hour times; and besides; once the R4 comes, more people will want to use that.

The question now becomes how many more people? 

The amount of time you save by moving up to 41st likely won't be that significant. For example, I have a choice between the 502 and the 503 going to Surrey Central, but I just take the first bus I see because the amount of time I would save by taking the 503 compared to the 502 is not significant.

Besides, not all 49 riders are going to UBC. You've also got Langara which is another big destination along the route. Then you have those who need local stops. Most riders will still need a 49 anyways just to move up to 41st.

I still argue that 49 during rush hour still needs to be witnessed. Besides, my take is that the 480 will continue to provide service, but during peak hours only.

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Weren't we JUST talking about the 239?

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11 hours ago, dover5949 said:

Are you serious about removing artics from the 49??? Do you ever ride the 49??? If not I suggest you spend a few hours at E. 49 & Main & observe the loads on the route! This afternoon around 4pm I observed 4 in a row displaying "Sorry Bus Full" heading for Metrotown. The 49 is one of the busiest crosstown routes in Vancouver/Burnaby so removing artics from RTC to BTC won't happen!

I can confirm, I drive the 49 Monday to Friday and I've been 20-45 minutes late everyday so far, overcrowded, passing up and bunched together. Yesterday there were 4 of us together EB, all late and crowded.

28 minutes ago, Express691 said:

Besides, not all 49 riders are going to UBC. You've also got Langara which is another big destination along the route.

The line ups at Langara is incredible, very long line ups that goes for blocks. The EB Cambie street stop have line ups that often go around the block and down Cambie st.    

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14 minutes ago, Phillip said:

I can confirm, I drive the 49 Monday to Friday and I've been 20-45 minutes late everyday so far, overcrowded, passing up and bunched together. Yesterday there were 4 of us together EB, all late and crowded.

The line ups at Langara is incredible, very long line ups that goes for blocks. The EB Cambie street stop have line ups that often go around the block and down Cambie st.    

Frederick and Fraser, Knight, Victoria, Main also have mobs of people waiting.

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46 minutes ago, Phillip said:

I can confirm, I drive the 49 Monday to Friday and I've been 20-45 minutes late everyday so far, overcrowded, passing up and bunched together. Yesterday there were 4 of us together EB, all late and crowded.

The line ups at Langara is incredible, very long line ups that goes for blocks. The EB Cambie street stop have line ups that often go around the block and down Cambie st.    

Part-solution: 430 turns into Rapidbus, operates on 49th past Langara to Granville. Turns left, goes thru Marpole, across bridge, terminates at Bridgeport.

A different Rapidbus provides service from Bridgeport to Brighouse along GC, passing KPU, then continues to either Steveston or down No. 3 Rd.

And, a Rapidbus to go down Victoria, turn off at 54th, go down Argyle, 57th to Knight, and down to Knight & Marine.

A lot to ask for, I know, but effectively solves most of South Van (and Richmond's) transit problems.

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Random thought but what about rerouting the 480 via Bridgeport, Knight, 49th, Marine, Dunbar, 41st, regular route to UBC? It doesn't make any sense to have it duplicate the R4 and it'll help alleviate some overcrowding along 49th.

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11 hours ago, Evan Hancock said:

I don’t take the 49 during rush hour times; and besides; once the R4 comes, more people will want to use that.

It's very unlikely that significant numbers of current 49 riders will switch to the R4.  Given that the 43 already runs until 10pm, most riders who would be willing to walk to 41st instead of 49th are already using it.  As well, anyone south of 49 Ave would be unlikely to be unwilling to walk the extra distance.  While theoretically some people could switch to the north-south routes, and then change to the R4 at 41st, that involves adding a transfer.  And, east of Victoria Dr frequency on the north-south routes drops to the point where the extra waiting time wouldn't be worth it.  And, with 41 Ave ending at Joyce, the 49 has a large section where the R4 won't be parallel to it anyway.  

6 hours ago, 8010 said:

Random thought but what about rerouting the 480 via Bridgeport, Knight, 49th, Marine, Dunbar, 41st, regular route to UBC? It doesn't make any sense to have it duplicate the R4 and it'll help alleviate some overcrowding along 49th.

If you're going to do that then there is no point in maintaining the 480.  No one getting off a Highway 99 route at Bridgeport who wants to go to UBC is going to board a 480 that would first go east, which is the wrong direction, then fight it's way through the traffic nightmare of the Knight St bridge before finally turning west and heading towards UBC.  And, you wouldn't relieve the east end of the 49, which has full loads right through to Metrotown. You would basically have a route that tries to relieve the 49, and meets the current 480 ridership pattern, but would do neither well. 

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10 hours ago, Michael Marriott said:

If you're going to do that then there is no point in maintaining the 480.  No one getting off a Highway 99 route at Bridgeport who wants to go to UBC is going to board a 480 that would first go east, which is the wrong direction, then fight it's way through the traffic nightmare of the Knight St bridge before finally turning west and heading towards UBC.  And, you wouldn't relieve the east end of the 49, which has full loads right through to Metrotown. You would basically have a route that tries to relieve the 49, and meets the current 480 ridership pattern, but would do neither well. 

Fair enough, whenever the distance-based fares are implemented I don't think there's really a point in keeping the 480, that's just my opinion though.

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https://m.translink.ca/RapidBus-Program/R2-Marine-Dr.aspx#launch-timelines

TransLink confirms R2 is delayed again.

Another excerpt reads: Haney Place will get preparation work done starting September 16

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480: I believe cancellation happens after *both* the 12 new Canada Line trains and R4 go into service: 480 will be sticking around until everything goes into service.

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10 hours ago, Express691 said:

https://m.translink.ca/RapidBus-Program/R2-Marine-Dr.aspx#launch-timelines

TransLink confirms R2 is delayed again.

Another excerpt reads: Haney Place will get preparation work done starting September 16

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480: I believe cancellation happens after *both* the 12 new Canada Line trains and R4 go into service: 480 will be sticking around until everything goes into service.

When reading that, I also read the construction section, and it describes some temporary changes at and outside Phibbs Exchange starting this week. It sounds like the R2 will fit into the exchange as-is, and the complete rebuild of the exchange will happen later. 

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On 9/13/2019 at 4:13 PM, Express691 said:

Also in the file release department, we have next weekend's mayors council meeting minutes which includes rapidbus stuff

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/about_translink/governance_and_board/council_minutes_and_reports/2019/september/Agenda--Mayors-Council-PUBLIC-MTG---Sept-20-FINAL.pdf

That 2040 Conceptual Rapid Transit Maximum Extent Network would be nice...

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