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1 minute ago, neopasturquoise said:

Not sure why they are not using 114, 115 and 117...

Also, I thought they are planning to cancel the C87 due to low ridership.

Yeah, 11x seems the most logical for that area. They even bother to renumber all the New West route as 10x, but choose 14x for the South Burnaby routes?

And funny that all other area got their shuttle renumbered to x1x.

And... they are planning to cancel the C87, but not yet I guess (so it can take up a number first...).

As for C98... maybe they're deciding whether it's a Richmond route (418) or a New West route (108)...?

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2 minutes ago, neopasturquoise said:

Not sure why they are not using 114, 115 and 117...

Also, I thought they are planning to cancel the C87 due to low ridership.

It'll be cancelled once the SWATP is finalized and begins rolling out sometime either this year or in 2019.

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1 hour ago, nname said:

Yeah, 11x seems the most logical for that area. They even bother to renumber all the New West route as 10x, but choose 14x for the South Burnaby routes?

And funny that all other area got their shuttle renumbered to x1x.

And... they are planning to cancel the C87, but not yet I guess (so it can take up a number first...).

As for C98... maybe they're deciding whether it's a Richmond route (418) or a New West route (108)...?

I prefer 418 because it’s somewhat related to the 410 and it will be extended to Riverport in the long term.

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Finding an appropriate numbering scheme can be largely related on the geography of the regions served. Some places are easier and some are harder to organize.

Let me bring up Durham Region Transit, which was formed in 2006 by an amalgamation of independent transit services in different regions. The new agency initially retained the route numbering of its predecessor systems, leading to conflicts. This was resolved in 2008 with the present three-digit numbering system, with the first digit representing the municipality. Appropriately, the numbering increases from west to east (away from Toronto), as a result of the linear placement of the major towns and cities: Pickering (1xx), Ajax (2xx), Whitby (3xx), Oshawa (4xx), Clarington (5xx), Brock (6xx).

Translink is in a more difficult situation than DRT, because there is no logical way to number the divisions of the routes, as they are spread out over the place rather than laid out in a straight line like in Durham Region. Also, because many routes cross municipal boundaries and serve multiple major termini, it is easier to create conflicts in the route numbering scheme. Good luck to the route planners there trying to avoid confusion in this regard.

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42 minutes ago, Transit geek said:

Finding an appropriate numbering scheme can be largely related on the geography of the regions served. Some places are easier and some are harder to organize.

There are numbering scheme in Vancouver, or we thought... until they start create new ones that not follow the rule anymore:

001 - 089 Vancouver - UBC

02x - East Vancouver (except the 23)

04x - Mostly E/W routes through southern Vancouver due to street number (except the 42, 44)

05x - Tourist places (used to have the 51 Granville Island, 52 Around the Park, 56 Lost Lagoon... now only the 50 left)

06x - UBC local?

090 - 099 B-Lines

100 - 199 Burnaby/New West/Tri-Cities

10x - New Wesetminster

11x - Burnaby South

12x - Burnaby/New West Central

13x - Burnaby North

14x - Northeast Burnaby/SFU (until the 14x shuttles)

15x - Coquitlam South (except 155, but there's historical reason for it)

16x - Coquitlam Town Centre area

17x - Port Coqutilam (except the 179 underflow from the 18x group)

18x - Northern Tri-Cities

19x - Burke Mountain

200 - 299 North Shore

21x - Seymour, Deep Cove

22x - Lynn Valley

23x - Lonsdale

24x - Upper Lonsdale, Upper Capilano service to Downtown

25x - West Vancouver

26x - West Vancouver

28x - Bowen Island

29x - Limited service/express

300 - 399 Surrey, White Rock, North Delta

30x - Regional routes

31x - North Delta

32x - Central Surrey

33x - Northeast Surrey, Fleetwood

34x - East Newton

35x - South Surrey, White Rock regional

36x - South Surrey, White Rock local

37x - I want to say Cloverdale? But what's 371, 373 doing here....

39x - Limited service/express

400 - 499 Richmond

40x - Primary Richmond routes

41x - Seems like it will be secondary routes?

49x - Limited service/express

500 - 599 Langley

50x - Regional routes

56x - Langley city shuttle routes

Not sure where 531, 555 and 595 belongs

600 - 699 South Delta

.. too few route to even categorize them?

700 - 799 Pitt Meadows/Maple Ridge

70x - Regional route

71x - Pitt Meadows (?)

72x - Pitt Meadows (?)

73x - Maple Ridge

74x - Maple Ridge

79x - Limited service/express

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The confusion is mainly caused by the C numbering. They should have numbered the shuttle routes based on the regions (eg. 318> C38), but there were too many 3XX  routes which were downsized to shuttle routes. I guess they shouldn't renumber the routes at all back in 2002.

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26 minutes ago, neopasturquoise said:

The confusion is mainly caused by the C numbering. They should have numbered the shuttle routes based on the regions (eg. 318> C38), but there were too many 3XX  routes which were downsized to shuttle routes. I guess they shouldn't renumber the routes at all back in 2002.

I think the Tri-cities are causing the most issue... There's no spare number for the area and they literally ran out of number to use later, and have to share the same route number many different routings...

C38 was the worse - C38 Prairie, C38 River Springs, C38 Port Coquitlam Station, C38 Coquitlam Station, C38 River Springs Express, C38 Coquitlam Station Express

C26 was bad too - C26 Belcarra, C26 Anmore, C26 Belcarra via Anmore, C26 Belcarra via Ravine, C26 Buntzen Lake, C26 Port Moody Stn, C26 Port Moody Stn via Anmore, C26 Port Moody via Ravine, C26 Coquitlam Station

In the end, the C38 split into 2 routes (173, 174) and the third routing cancelled but eventually lead to the 188.

The C26 becomes two routes (179, 182), and the 182, together with 181, and may eventually split into 4 routes during phase 2...

The C39, probably reserved for Burke Mountain... may eventually turn into a whole 19x series of routes.

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4 hours ago, nname said:

June Route Changes

Most of these posted already, but there are a few more added:

310 - Scottsdale/Ladner Exchange

322 - Newton Exchange/Scottsdale

370 - Cloverdale/Willowbrook

560 - Murrayville/Langley Centre

561 - Langley Centre/Brookswood

562 - Langley Centre/Walnut Grove

563 - Langley Centre/Fernridge

564 - Langley Centre/Willowbrook

743 - Haney Place/Maple Meadow Station/Meadowtown

744 - Haney Place/Maple Meadow Station/Meadowtown

745 - Haney Place/Cottonwood

746 - Haney Place/Albion

748 - Thronhill/Haney Place

749 - Ruskin/Haney Place

 

September Route Changes

Final round of c-series branding declassification?

103 - Quayside/Victoria Hall

105 - Uptown/New Westminster Station

109 - New Westminster Station/Lougheed Station

146 - Metrotown Station/Suncrest

147 - Metrotown Station/Edmonds Station

148 - Royal Oak Station/Edmonds Station

412 - Bridgeport Station/Sea Island South

413 - Riverport/Steveston

414 - Richmond Oval/Brighouse Station

416 - East Cambie/Brighouse Station

614 - English Bluff/South Delta Rec Centre

616 - Ladner South/Ladner Exchange

617 - East Ladner/Ladner Exchange

618 - Ladner North/Ladner Exchange

619 - Boundary Bay/South Delta Rec Centre

 

So far, only route left to be renumbered will be C41 and C98

For the Burnaby ones, since they are going to change the last digit anyways, I'd prefer them using the 11x instead of the 14x.... What are they saving the 11x for?

For those who are unfamiliar... C3, C4 becomes the 103, 105; C5, C6, C7 becomes the 148, 146, 147. All others are straightforward.

Makes me wonder what the new SWATP routes are going to be called, like the new 3 Road service travelling to Steveston or even e/w routes like the 410e & 410w, I assume that the e & w routes are just placeholder route numbers and will be given actual route numbers without letters at the end once SWATP is finalized.

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As far as I know, it will be 410 22nd St Stn/Brighouse (All trips Fraserwood) and 406 Railway/Brighouse.  Until the loop at finished, hopefully by end of this year, the 410 will most likely layover on Anderson.  406 probably just the same as the 402/404 does now.  I could see bus stop No 3 @ Park being the 410's first pickup point for easy transfer from the 406.  Not sure how other routes would be numbered in the SWATP.

410 split will hopefully be done for September, but I don't know for sure.

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10 minutes ago, Brando737 said:

As far as I know, it will be 410 22nd St Stn/Brighouse (All trips Fraserwood) and 406 Railway/Brighouse.  Until the loop at finished, hopefully by end of this year, the 410 will most likely layover on Anderson.  406 probably just the same as the 402/404 does now.  I could see bus stop No 3 @ Park being the 410's first pickup point for easy transfer from the 406.  Not sure how other routes would be numbered in the SWATP.

410 split will hopefully be done for September, but I don't know for sure.

Hopefully they revive the old numbers, bringing back 408 Garden City and 420 Bridgeport.

6 hours ago, nname said:

And... they are planning to cancel the C87, but not yet I guess (so it can take up a number first...).

The C87 isn't going to get cancelled until Delta upgrades crosswalks/pedestrian amenities on Ladner Trunk Rd so people can safely access the C76.

 

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7 hours ago, nname said:

September Route Changes

Final round of c-series branding declassification?

103 - Quayside/Victoria Hall

105 - Uptown/New Westminster Station

109 - New Westminster Station/Lougheed Station

146 - Metrotown Station/Suncrest

147 - Metrotown Station/Edmonds Station

148 - Royal Oak Station/Edmonds Station

412 - Bridgeport Station/Sea Island South

413 - Riverport/Steveston

414 - Richmond Oval/Brighouse Station

416 - East Cambie/Brighouse Station

614 - English Bluff/South Delta Rec Centre

616 - Ladner South/Ladner Exchange

617 - East Ladner/Ladner Exchange

618 - Ladner North/Ladner Exchange

619 - Boundary Bay/South Delta Rec Centre

 

So far, only route left to be renumbered will be C41 and C98

For the Burnaby ones, since they are going to change the last digit anyways, I'd prefer them using the 11x instead of the 14x.... What are they saving the 11x for?

For those who are unfamiliar... C3, C4 becomes the 103, 105; C5, C6, C7 becomes the 148, 146, 147. All others are straightforward.

Since the last digit was changing anyway, I was hoping the C4 would become the 102, which would match up with the 106 and 112 given it runs N-S on 2 St.  Though, I guess the C4 does have enough diversions to serve other areas that it's not needed.

Not going to lie, I will find it very amusing if the C98, which has been all big bus since 2014, winds up being the last C-series route.

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11 hours ago, Michael Marriott said:

Not going to lie, I will find it very amusing if the C98, which has been all big bus since 2014, winds up being the last C-series route.

At it stand now, that may be happening at least internally when updating the schedule database.

C41 changes were added to September sheet:

719 - Meadowtown/Fraser Way

722 - Meadowtown/Bonson

 

Only C98 left!

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5 hours ago, nname said:

At it stand now, that may be happening at least internally when updating the schedule database.

C41 changes were added to September sheet:

719 - Meadowtown/Fraser Way

722 - Meadowtown/Bonson

 

Only C98 left!

Seems kinda odd that they're doing the C41 in September but the rest of the C40s in June

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6 minutes ago, Translink69 said:

Have they changed the 606/608? I forget what is happening with them, if anything at this point and I'm too lazy to look it up...

In the SWATP, they're planning to extend them to Bridgeport Stn. But this would only be happening in September 2018 at the earliest...

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On 5/3/2018 at 10:15 PM, Dr. BusFreak said:

In the SWATP, they're planning to extend them to Bridgeport Stn. But this would only be happening in September 2018 at the earliest...

Bridgeport Station is going to be a bit busier with at least 21 bus routes once SWATP is finished.

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i am thinking that the C98 is going to extend to riverport (Maybe by fall 2019 ((because peak demand is lower in summer)))the route should be named 418

 

 

On 5/2/2018 at 10:39 PM, Michael Marriott said:

Since the last digit was changing anyway, I was hoping the C4 would become the 102, which would match up with the 106 and 112 given it runs N-S on 2 St.  Though, I guess the C4 does have enough diversions to serve other areas that it's not needed.

Not going to lie, I will find it very amusing if the C98, which has been all big bus since 2014, winds up being the last C-series route.

 

On 5/3/2018 at 10:14 AM, nname said:

At it stand now, that may be happening at least internally when updating the schedule database.

C41 changes were added to September sheet:

719 - Meadowtown/Fraser Way
722 - Meadowtown/Bonson

 

Only C98 left!

 

On 5/2/2018 at 3:52 PM, nname said:

Yeah, 11x seems the most logical for that area. They even bother to renumber all the New West route as 10x, but choose 14x for the South Burnaby routes?

And funny that all other area got their shuttle renumbered to x1x.

And... they are planning to cancel the C87, but not yet I guess (so it can take up a number first...).

As for C98... maybe they're deciding whether it's a Richmond route (418) or a New West route (108)...?

 

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          Also I have more ideas involving this topic

  1. Discontinue C6 because it duplicates C7 &116
  2.  Invest C6 resources on routes C96 during Sundays,
  3. & increase service to (at least )every hour on route 280,281,&282(the  future Endswell farm route

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The C6 is a direct interline with the C7 because otherwise the C7 would have huge recovery times at each terminus, in addition it's the quickest way to get to Suncrest, as taking the 116 would require taking the 116 to Marine Way, then transferring to a 116 going to Metrotown, because the 116 doesn't have 2 way service on streets in Suncrest.

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the C6 is one of the few profitable shuttle routes.

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Did TransLink ever say why the new Canada Line cars got pushed back from their original 2019 date to 2020? Hopefully trains can finally start double-tracking at Waterfront once the new trains go into service.

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2 hours ago, 8010 said:

Did TransLink ever say why the new Canada Line cars got pushed back from their original 2019 date to 2020? Hopefully trains can finally start double-tracking at Waterfront once the new trains go into service.

Didn't they mention it would be a slightly larger order?  That would push back the time frame if that's the case.  Could be something out of Translink control as well.

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3 hours ago, Brando737 said:

Didn't they mention it would be a slightly larger order?  That would push back the time frame if that's the case.  Could be something out of Translink control as well.

I don't think they ever mentioned the order was larger but that's true, I also think ProTrans might have ordered the trains a little later than expected perhaps, since I believe they order and operate the trains but the trains themselves are owned by TransLink.

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1 minute ago, 8010 said:

I don't think they ever mentioned the order was larger but that's true, I also think ProTrans might have ordered the trains a little later than expected perhaps, since I believe they order and operate the trains but the trains themselves are owned by TransLink.

I think it's this - the order was delayed for whatever reason. Was about six months later than the first announcement had suggested. 

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