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On ‎1‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 7:30 PM, Orion6025 said:

Are any NABI 416s still running? I assume all are retired but I heard rumors that a few survived the latest round of commuter XN40s... Is this true or are they truly all gone?

It seems that a handful were sold to CARTA.

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On 1/17/2019 at 5:42 PM, Chris.A said:

It seems that a handful were sold to CARTA.

Yeah they got 5 I think? And at least 7 went to Myrtle Beach.

At the beginning of 2018, I heard DART had 15 left. Idk how many of those 15 are left though, there doesn't seem to be much info on DART online.

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I had a chance to visit Dallas recently. The light rail system is pretty cool. I had to ride it from the Airport to go to my destination. The train runs at higher speeds on this newer extension and whenever there is a grade crossing it sounds the horn, with a sound very reminiscent of old steam engines. The LRVs now run in 2-train consists, and with the Texas State Fair going on, 3-train consists were also a common sight.

The McKinney Avenue Transit Authority (MATA) M-Line trolley was celebrating 30 years the weekend I went, but I couldn't attend the actual celebration party. It is a hit with the locals.

On the bus side, the Proterras are still running, but on the 749 from the Convention Center. The new XN40s are in service, and I only saw them in the regular local scheme. Unfortunately, no sight of any of the older diesel buses as they were retired last year. :(

Also threw in some ABM Aviation at DFW at the end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 10/17/2019 at 1:12 AM, GojiMet86 said:

On the bus side, the Proterras are still running, but on the 749 from the Convention Center. The new XN40s are in service, and I only saw them in the regular local scheme. Unfortunately, no sight of any of the older diesel buses as they were retired last year.

Wow -- thanks! Outstanding pics!

Interesting to see Proterra buses in a "regular" paint scheme. Thus far, nearly all Proterra units -- regardless of transit system -- have worn a special scheme to herald their electric status. I think this is the first I've seen where they're meant to look more-or-less like a regular bus. And they look pretty good!

I lament the loss of the rear window -- and I really wish Proterra didn't use the "Gillig design" of high-height windows on a low-floor bus. Still, sharp-looking vehicles. Won't mind seeing more of them make a splash in daily transit service.

On the New Flyer side, this is the second recent Xcelsior order I've seen with solid black door panels (see your pic of 46009, for instance). Looks surprisingly slick!

In general, Downtown Dallas offers great angles for transit photography and DART is a great fleet. Bright colors, interesting specs -- though the five-digit fleet numbers are kind of offputting.

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I took this screen shot on June 26, 2020. A YouTube channel under the name "Cowboy Car Crushing" was doing a live stream video of a scrap facility that had a ton of Ex-DART 2003 NABI 416's. 5737 is seen in the thumbnail and I unfortunately did not write down the rest of the visible numbers while watching the video. The only one I remember was 5777. The video got deleted directly after the stream ended, so the footage is basically lost. I don't know which scrap facility it was either. I found the YouTube channel's email and tried to reach out, but never heard back.

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On 11/18/2020 at 6:56 PM, Detroit Diesel 6V92TA said:

I took this screen shot on June 26, 2020. A YouTube channel under the name "Cowboy Car Crushing" was doing a live stream video of a scrap facility that had a ton of Ex-DART 2003 NABI 416's. 5737 is seen in the thumbnail and I unfortunately did not write down the rest of the visible numbers while watching the video. The only one I remember was 5777. The video got deleted directly after the stream ended, so the footage is basically lost. I don't know which scrap facility it was either. I found the YouTube channel's email and tried to reach out, but never heard back.

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Looks like I went from not knowing much of anything to knowing almost everything in terms of what was going on and which buses were involved! I found the auction. There were 39 of the NABI's. Every single one had a hole knocked into its engine (maybe there was a replacement grant) and I think they all had junk titles issued in advance in 2018. A single bidder (scrapper) won every single NABI and the single RTS listed. I ran 5777's VIN since I remembered seeing it in the video and it was scrapped in July 2020, probably with all of the others. It's quite sad the last video of those buses (ever) was deleted shortly after I watched it. However at least 30 other NABI's in the batch of 5700-5779 went to other agencies.

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1 hour ago, Hothoops9000 said:

Honestly, I’m kinda of surprised DART went with Xcelsiors instead of D4500s for their Suburban Routes. Does anybody know why?

Well this is just a guess, but it could have something to do with fleet uniformity and/or the buses the XN40 were replacing.

Maintaining a fleet of only XN40s for both suburban and local routes ensures fleet uniformity which makes training staff easier, lowers costs, simplifies parts inventory, etc. Eventually the NABIs are going to come up for replacement, and it’ll be cheaper for them if they end up becoming an agency with only New Flyers and Proterras instead of an agency with New Flyers, Proterras, and MCIs or Prevosts.

Another reason could be because they were replacing suburban configured transit buses. It’s not at all a downgrade to replace a suburban configured NABI 416 with a suburban configured XN40, and perhaps they deemed a motorcoach to not be worth the cost. Commuter routes often are quite expensive to run (subsidy per passenger) and in most cases they turn into a money pit (I am aware of VVTA’s Fort Irwin routes being an exception though, perhaps there are more?). So one way to reduce costs would be to buy a cheaper bus, ex. a XN40.

I mean looking at DART’s past fleet, they had Eagles and MCI and eventually they decided it wasn’t worth the investment to keep replacing those with MCI. Whatever justification they were using at the time is likely what they’re continuing to follow.

Alternatively, the ridership might not be there for a motorcoach. Connecticut Transit maintains a fleet of suburban D40LF, currently being replaced by “suburban” XD40s for some of the lower ridership commuter routes/runs, while using MCI for the heavier stuff (though you could easily argue that the “suburban” XD40 replacements are merely transit XD40 earmarked for commuter routes....).

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^ Suburban spec low floor transit buses also have additional benefits over D4500 coaches that may be a factor. Boarding time and boarding convenience for mobility devices is better (2-3 minutes vs. 5+ minutes) and in a pinch suburban transits can be run on local routes easily whereas a coach may be a very poor fit.

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11 hours ago, Hothoops9000 said:

Honestly, I’m kinda of surprised DART went with Xcelsiors instead of D4500s for their Suburban Routes. Does anybody know why?

The big systems in Texas "wrote the book" on over-the-road coaches for commuter transit service*. Obviously it's huge in Houston... and Cap Metro has greatly increased its use of MCIs. Before TRE, Fort Worth even had 'em!

Other than the reasons already stated, I'm not quite sure why DART went a different route. Frankly, though, I approve. The MCIs (or Eagles, or Vikings, or whatever) are nice -- but I always thought they were overkill.

I really liked DART's NABI 416 suburbans. Absolutely perfect for the job.

I have yet to ride a suburban XD40. I'd imagine low-floor could feel weird on a commuter route. But, I still don't see the case for MCIs. It's like, they're slightly more comfortable and, all things considered, considerably more expensive to purchase/operate.

 

* I don't count New Jersey... because their MCI-equipped routes are generally much longer and much less "transit-y" than typical commuter/park & ride routes

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I've been daydreaming about those NABIs for the past few days. They sure were photogenic.

Here's some pics from AM rush hour in Downtown Dallas, circa June 2014. NABIs finishing their inbound express trips were abundant:

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It wasn't too hard to find an RTS on that sunny morning -- but they were definitely in pre-retirement mode:

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This was a particularly satisfying 90 minutes of transit photography, and I realized why: not a Gillig in sight. DART's fleet of bright, happy, first-rate buses made this especially fun.

I still like DART even post-416 and post-RTS -- but they lost a point with me upon converting to five-digit fleet numbers. For some inexplicable reason, I think buses lose their personality once they get north of 9999.

I'm sure there's some hyper-logical syntax to DART's five-digit vehicle numbers (year! fuel type! seating capacity! length!) -- but I sure wish they had stuck with more poetic numbers. In the 80s, they even had set of Neoplans starting at fleet number 1!

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On 4/30/2021 at 9:56 AM, MVTArider said:

^ Suburban spec low floor transit buses also have additional benefits over D4500 coaches that may be a factor. Boarding time and boarding convenience for mobility devices is better (2-3 minutes vs. 5+ minutes) and in a pinch suburban transits can be run on local routes easily whereas a coach may be a very poor fit.

You would be surprised how often those 43000-series XN40s show up on local routes, especially on weekends. That seemed to be the case when for a couple years before the 416s were retired.

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