409 Thornton Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 The debate of which type of rapid transit is best for Toronto is an interesting issue, so I would like to record some data on what GTA transit riders want to see on Toronto streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyerinvero Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 As much as I am not a Toronto resident, I am speaking from another place which LRT is going to be part of the transit landscape in the non-so-distant future. That is, Hamilton. I feel that streetlevel LRT is probably the best form of rapid transit. I understand that the problems would arise with the ROW's as it pertains to EMS vehicles or other cars/trucks that would like to make the left turns neccessary. In Hamilton's case as most streets are still one way, especially in the downtown, it might not be an issue unless if the LRT tracks are at the curb lane and not in the middle of the roadway. Are there any current LRT line ROW's (like TTC 512) that uses a signal for cars/trucks and buses) to turn successfully without the complete blockage from the seperated ROW from the rest of the road? Underground LRT/subways seems, as much as they can be beneficial regarding speed and taking 100s of passengers to desintations quicker, avoiding the traffic on the streets is an advantage, I'm just concerned with the traffic flow if no street-level LRT is there. Would it just worse? Sure it would. If the street-level LRT is there, would the traffic be just as horrendous? Well, not sure, but if the entire structure of the road, with LRT is built properly, then it can much easier to the regular, everyday car-driver. Of course...when consstruction starts, yes...it'd be painful...but what else can be done in the time when the LRT is being constructed on the road with lane restrictions? Excellent idea, 409. Oh, I guess I forgot about the monorail. I don't have any answers or ideas for it as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. McConnell Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Although I'm also not a Toronto resident, I feel that your question is flawed in that it presumes that each transit mode is mutually exclusive and doesn't take into account the idea that a successful transit system should be multimodal. Monorails really aren't suited for any type of high capacity rapid transit... they're slow, they don't hold very many people, they're hard to evacuate, they're incompatible with existing forms of rail, and they're generally proprietary systems (meaning that you're generally stuck with the same manufacturer for life.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Although I'm also not a Toronto resident, I feel that your question is flawed in that it presumes that each transit mode is mutually exclusive and doesn't take into account the idea that a successful transit system should be multimodal. And here we have the proper answer to this poll. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrt304 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 The Hippo Bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdvd Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 What's best depends on the route. I don't think there is any innate advantage to any mode unless you consider what the route is. For example, if you want to build 3 rapid transit rail lines to Malvern like is proposed in Transit City, obviously subway isn't going to be cost-effective. Some might say that 3 LRT lines to Malvern is overkill as well, especially when there would only be one line serving Scarborough Centre, a provincially-designated Urban Growth Centre, but I guess that's just some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 How about "refund the money to the taxpayers"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 How about "refund the money to the taxpayers"? And how does that help exactly? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Toronto needs Subway/Underground LRT and Street level LRT conbimed not just one or the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM5000 Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 And here we have the proper answer to this poll.Dan No, I think THIS is the proper answer..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_yLodI1CQ...feature=related - Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. DeLarge Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 No, I think THIS is the proper answer.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_yLodI1CQ...feature=related - Dave He swayed that city like Rob Ford shouting "Stop the Gravy Train!". Of course, we all know how that episode turned out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsAMetro Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Toronto doesn't need a monorail, monorails are more of an attraction than a rapid transit system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit pizza Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Toronto doesn't need a monorail, monorails are more of an attraction than a rapid transit system Hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 In Toronto's situation right now, the best and cheapest option is LRT seeing as they have already invested in LRT.If they were to have started from scratch with no money funded in anything I would support subways. I dont see Rob Ford's point as its not a cent of city or TTC's money for Transit City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 If they were to have started from scratch with no money funded in anything I would support subways. The problem is that that particular scenario is still too simplistic. At the end of the day, money is still the bottom-line factor in making a decision. Even to phrase it as "Would you rather have 20km of subway, or 120km of LRT?" is overly simplistic, but a far more realistic scenario. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38 Highland Creek Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 I'm sticking to either ULRT/subways or LRTs or both. Doesn't really matter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 The problem is that that particular scenario is still too simplistic.At the end of the day, money is still the bottom-line factor in making a decision. Even to phrase it as "Would you rather have 20km of subway, or 120km of LRT?" is overly simplistic, but a far more realistic scenario. Dan Tell Ford that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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