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22 hours ago, Border City Transit said:

Here's some pics from a very quick visit to St Louis in 2014. My 90 minutes proved quite productive for transit photos! Even then, the Phantoms were rapidly dwindling -- though I didn't have to look too hard for 'em at 14th & Market. Surprised to hear that any are still around...

Can't leave the Lou without a pic like this:

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Reference shot, where typical early 2000s Phantom body features are on display:

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Here's 2056, looking toward Downtown as she prepares for an afternoon outbound trip:

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Couldn't quite get two Phantoms in the same place; had to settle for dreary Gillig LFs competing with their better-looking older brothers for attention:

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I never could determine the vehicle number ranges for the Phantoms -- they were kind of all over the place. Anyone have any roster info?

At the time, the OC Transp... uh, I mean used D60LF artics were just showing up. Then, as now, exclusively on 70 Grand route:

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I always thought that was a cool paint scheme, but they went a little overboard with the black on the D60LFs (and on the Gillig LFs, for that matter). This scheme would have looked sharper with maybe a little more blue.

Oh well -- looking forward to seeing the roll-out of the new STL paint scheme.

Enjoy!

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STL Metro is getting 14 New Flyer Xcelsior Charge electric artics. These will replace the ex-OC Transpo New Flyer D60LFs currently in use on the 70 Grand route.

 

Thanks to James Roach for sending this link to me:

https://www.newflyer.com/2020/09/metro-transit-selects-new-flyer-with-an-award-of-zero-emission-buses-and-charging-infrastructure-in-greater-st-louis-the-first-deployed-into-regular-permanent-service/

 

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As of now, they only have two as part of a pilot to decide if they want to change anything. And New Flyer was also awarded the contract to install chargers in the garages and rapid chargers I guess at Broadway-Taylor Transit Center, and Loughbrough Commons.   

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Here are some pictures from Metro of their new XDE60s. These New Flyers will be used on the 70 Grand route. Metro also has four Gillig 40ft electric buses coming in early 2021 as well. Those will run on other routes in the system.

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https://www.metrostlouis.org/nextstop/new-electric-buses-will-support-sustainable-mobility-options-for-the-st-louis-region/?fbclid=IwAR07IVuJqjUseiJjVXABIqJcduJocEw9vQv0pzIlTtywOmKyV47OVk0_8-A

 

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Hi,

Some of the last Phantoms just sold at auction (2001, 3101, 3104, 3159, 3206, 3211, 3227, 3232, 3410, and 3412) To Transit8 is the username, last time they picked up from the IL garage I think the truck said L E A logistics. (https://web.archive.org/web/20210219165003/https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/metrostlouis,mo/auction/view?auc=2723386, and the results to the auction:  https://archive.vn/BtaTU) The Illinois garage still has approximately 20 Phantoms left, and I think that's it in the system. 3116, 3118, 3124, 3127, 3128, 3206, 3209, 3401-3409, 3411, and 3413-3415, and maybe more.  I believe 3127 is still at the main shop in the ready line. 3221, and 3223 both IL 2002 Low Floors are still at Main shop for frame rail rebuilds.  3222 has been back for a while now.  Not sure about what Brentwood, or DeBalivere has. DeBalivere has had a few auctions even auctioned of a 2209 one of the D60LF's.  They donated 3265 to St. Louis Public Works to use as a Warming bus.         I believe they retired Phantoms from almost every garage due to the Electric 7400 series Gillig Low Floor Plus Electric models coming this Spring. 

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The last time one ran on the Illinois side was July according to Transee. I rode one last January.  The one's left are mostly for training duty, and Redbird Express (If it returns this year).     According to a picture from a Delivery driver for Gillig, the Illinois garage is getting some new 2021 Gillig Low Floor 29' footer models the 7500 series, they will be the same design as the current 7351-7355. 

The last time one ran on the Illinois side was July according to Transee. I rode one last January.  The one's left are mostly for training duty, and Redbird Express (If it returns this year).     According to a picture from a Delivery driver for Gillig, the Illinois garage is getting some new 2021 Gillig Low Floor 29' footer models the 7500 series, they will be the same design as the current 7351-7355.  Pictured below is 7351 when I rode it in brand new on the #14 Memorial Hospital

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Well the 2201-2215 (The 2004 D60LF's from OC-Transpo) are pretty much retired now, 2301-2314 (2020 NFI XE60 Electric Articulated buses) The CEO of Metro says the 2300 series XE60's should enter service in the Spring, along with the New Gillig Low Floor EV's.    And good luck with getting a Phantom, the Missouri Garages (Brentwood and DeBalivere I believe don't have anymore Phantoms, most were transfered to the Illinois garage or the Main shop and very rarely come into service. 

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Hello everyone, Happy Saturday!  

 

On June 17th, I went on an over two hour transit venture from MCT land in Alton to go and try out the new XE60's!  I happen to ride the first one, 2301!   I was actually pretty inpressed for someone who prefers diesel powered buses.  Rode smooth, nice and cold A/C, and great build quality.   But anyway I got pictures of it charging at Broadway-Taylor TC, and at Grand TC.  It was a sweet experience I will say.               

 

 

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And I spotted on in a video that a few 2200 series 2004 D60LF's are sitting in the garage in Illinois, probably training buses as they train the drivers in Illinois, and Illinois has a training course behind the garage, and I spotted 2206 on training on Google maps one time.   And from another driver seen some Phantoms that were in the grave yard behind the training course, looked like some 2000's and some 2001's.  Most of the 3400's are still around as training/Redbird/Muny Express/Driver Shuttle buses.   2070-2079 (Bought when they bought the 2004 D60LF's), 2080-2086, and 3221-3223 are also believed to have no fareboxes now, and are also training buses and Redbird and Muny buses.  7551-7577 have pretty much taken over the Illinois system now, and 7351-7355 are used a lot too.  3601-3604 (2009 Low Floors), 3821-3827, and 6651-6658 haven't been used a lot at all since 7551-7577 started showing up in service.  All of us fans and some Metro drivers at Illinois predict that they will keep ordering Low Floor 29" foot buses to replace the 40 footers here on out.  I think it's a bad mistake, and if they have been running 40 footers since day 1 then why change what isn't broken.  Their 29 footer buses just don't last like their 40 footer buses do, as they have had Phantom 30 footers, and some 2002 Low Floor 29 footers too 2181-2182 that didn't last like the 40 footer buses did, and they had similar powertrains.  

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Hi folks,

 

I noticed that Metro has some new Gillig Standard Low Floor 35' Foot Diesel buses  coming from Gillig. I am assuming they will be going to DeBalivere to replace some of the 35xx series 2008 Low Floor 35 foot buses.  I think the 35 footer buses are smarter then the 29 foot Low Floor's they bought in 2019 (73xx) for all three garages.  And for Illinois (7551-7577 for 2021) as the 35's can be used on almost anything midsized or small. And the 29 foot buses don't make it very long at Metro cough.... Cough......  the 2002 Low Floor 29's, and the Phantom 30 footers. Per Transee... the very reliable tracking app for Metro.    3504, 3507, 3509, 3523, and 3525 haven't ran since earlier this year or 2020.  3503, 3505, 3506, 3510-3511, 3514-3521 have all been on a in service run in the month of October.  3506 was spotted in training about a month ago in Illinois per a connection of mines. 3502, and 3508 are active as I type.  3512, 3513, 3522, 3524 have been active in the last 24 hours.   And I have also noticed that DeBalivere has more then just the original 38xx series they got in 2011 now... Originally they had 3801-3806, and Brentwood had 3807-3814 but it appears that DeBalivere either got them, borrowing them, or and Brentwood will be getting the new 2021 35' Foot Gillig's in trade or vis versa.  Trades have happened many times throught the years.  Illinois got Phantoms many times, and traded 6751 for Brentwood 6701 because at the time all Illinois had was 40 foot buses and they needed at least 1 35 to navigate some narrow Belleville streets.   And also update as of now the Phantoms are almost gone, I believe DeBalivere got rid of it's last Phantom's  9205, and 9238. 1992 Phantoms used to remove buses from the snow. And 2201-2214 the Ex. OC-Transpo D60LF's are also sadly completely gone now too sold for $36,900 to someone by the name of Buddie12.  3124, and 3127 the million miler Phantoms are still around. Both were spotted sitting almost next to each other on the Illinois training course back in June.  3118, 3411, 3404, 3403, 2076, 3222, and 3222 were all parked together in June with plates still on them in the same place as 3124 and 3127. 3209 (or) 3206, 3113?, 3407, 3401, 3104,  and 2038? were also spotted, but without license plates and what appears to be a gravel lot.  3127 was later spotted at the Main Shop in St. Louis a few months later again, I believe it's going to be preserved.  Hopefully both it and 3124 do... but knowing Metro I doubt it unfortunately. I think those Phantoms are a huge piece of St. Louis history and at least two should be preserved by the agency, and possible a few by a collector or enthuist.   And a general update for Illinois, I think 2070, 2072-2079, 2080-2086, 3222-3223 (2071 and 3221 were auctioned off), and possibly 3601-3604 (The 2009 Low Floor 40's) will never touch the road again in revenue route service. All have been inactive since early this year, and I believe 7551-7577 have wiped them out. 3601-3604 have been seen in training though.  3821-3827 the 2011 Low Floors rarely even go in service anymore  3826 (It's really 3 8 2 6 with the way the numbers are on it), and 3827 (38 27) have been inservice the most and both have been out in the last 24 hours. 3 8 2 6 is out now on the #1 Main St. State St.  3821-3825 haven't been out since early June.  6651-6658 took a bit of a hiatus for a bit but have came back pretty frequently again. 6758 is still inactive, but wasn't seen sitting in the Main Shops lot anymore, or auctioned off which means they are probably rebuilding the front end after the November 2020 massive accident. Driver finished the #16 St. Clair Sq. and a car ran a light that was running from a robbery and drove into the front of the bus. It tore the whole front end up and the driver was out for many months.  Luckily she was able to recover as it was a pretty crazy sight. 6753 was also in a almost similar accident and had to have the front end rebuilt also so I think they may try to rebuild it.  But 6752-6758, and 6701 *35'* (6751 to Brentwood for 6701) have been active too. 6753 has been NIS the longest (October 5th) besides 6758 (November 20th 2020), and 6757 has been NIS since October 17th. But the rest of the fleet in Illinois 685x, 695x, 705x, 715x, 725x, and 755x-757x have been VERY active.   Also back on the topic of new buses, 7405-7410 (2021 Gillig Low Floor EV 40's are on their way.  7409 took a detour to the 2021 APTA confrence in Orlando, FL (LYNX land) to be displayed for the every three year confrence.  7409 was spotted on a flatbed semi trailer by a Gillig/New Flyer transporter in Florida. 7252 did the 2018 one in Minnesota (Metro MN land).  There's also 15 40 footer Gillig Standard Diesel Low Floor's coming too. I think those are seperate from the 40 footers but I could be wrong. But the Bi-State board meeting said "15 new Gillig Diesel 40 footer transit buses" so I don't know. LOL.   The current electric buses have been doing decent minus some glitches. That's it for my update. 

 

Have a nice day :)

 

 

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The ongoing driver shortage is hitting Metro hard. November 29th several routes will be suspended or see headways drastically reduced. Metro has been trying to bring ridership back to pre-pandemic levels. They reduced fares and brought back frequency on many routes only to reduce them again over the Summer. Now that its getting colder I don't see people wanting to wait 40 minutes for a bus or even a bus that doesn't show up. Its going to be tough for Metro to rebound from this even if they hire enough drivers to bring back service.

https://nextstl.com/2021/11/st-louis-bus-system-disintegrating/

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On the topic of the driver shortage.....  I am sure some in here have heard about the 3811 (2011 Gillig LF 35') shooting incident Driver was shot while driving the bus by a passer by), and before that happened 6607 (2012 Gillig LF 35') which was not as severe (Passenger missed most of the bullet.) Driver of 3811 has a LONG road of recovery ahead of him, and I pray that he'll recover.    Article link to those who didn't know.... https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/major-case-squad-investigating-metrobus-shooting/article_44c46d29-c9bb-5418-8086-1f8367930dbc.html?fbclid=IwAR33F2WPHaNkWpI-sxFlo3jC7S-s5k2E07goXuYGyjOnBXaIaZ_Hu28Ba_I/   The guy was found a few days ago, and has 17 charges against him now THANK goodness.   https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-charged-with-shooting-metrobus-driver/article_a5922c14-faa3-5430-ad7c-2961b050ba83.html And 7575 same deal as 6607, just more damage and no injurys at all got 4 windows shot out while on the #6 Rosemont in East St. Louis. by 3 suspects.

 

Anyway that's about it....  And back onto the topic of the driver, the shooting has since made a bigger problem of driver shortages due to drivers being scared to come after the shootings.  It's just sad...  The crime in St. Louis is getting worse and it's bad.

 

Have a nice one,

Caleb S.

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On 11/2/2021 at 5:30 PM, cschnur15 said:

Hi folks,

 

I noticed that Metro has some new Gillig Standard Low Floor 35' Foot Diesel buses  coming from Gillig. I am assuming they will be going to DeBalivere to replace some of the 35xx series 2008 Low Floor 35 foot buses. 

 

 

You are correct. The new 35 footers 75xx will go into service from DeBaliviere within the coming days.

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