Greyhound Run/Schedule Changes

[ns8401]

6 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

Ourbus got to them with the Slippery Rock - Pittsburgh - Breezewood - Harrisburgh - Philadelphia - NYC service launched not to long ago.

Adirondack Trailways has hired a handful of Canadian Drivers for the Toronto - Buffalo portion of the Toronto - NYC service. Most of the Drivers are former Greyhound Canada Drivers. Adirondack Trailways parks and cleans the buses at Luxury Coach in Concord, ON in York Region, just north of Toronto. The Canadian Drivers report out of Luxury Coach,

If it’s 5311(f) as was suggested then absolutely not on the Ourbus thing. State contracted routes don’t respond to outside market forces because they don’t have to. They keep running whether there’s 2 people, 30 people or absolutely nobody riding.

Besides… Ourbus isnt exactly fishing in the same pond… most of these other companies really aren’t. They are getting millennials/college students and folks traveling on a budget. Greyhounds clientele is on the whole a few rungs downmarket. A lot of them folks you wouldn’t want to hang out with. How many people literally move via ourbus or the rest with 20 bags? I had a family of four doing that yesterday… they had 2 TV’s and about 15 bags going to Charlotte and spoke no English. It was about 80% of my back bin (one of three is the wheelchair lift so effectively they took half my luggage space alone). I was trying to get their stuff to the opposite end of the dock piled 3 or 4 high on a large freight cart… trying to get his daughter to explain that they had less than 10 minutes before the other bus left and begging (stalling?) the Greyhound driver so they got on the bus. Then getting their stuff on was a challenge. While I did that the Ourbus guy dropped his people off calmly and orderly and took a nap. All kidding aside… It’s just a totally different world on Greyhound my friend. Plus all the connections hither and yon all across the countryside… the biggest commonality is using a bus and hauling humans. But stories like that are exhibit A on why this curbside thing won’t work for the Greyhound model. How do you even begin to handle that effectively at an unstaffed curbside bus stop? And to boot it’s becoming more and more common to see these kinds of “moving trips”. Can you imagine doing that at a pitch black gas station like in Knoxville?
 

More than likely it makes a heck of a lot more sense from a driver perspective to run a bus between two locations with drivers especially if you are short and have to balance things by throwing an extra board driver at it from the other end to get the run back. It’s hard to do that effectively from Harrisburg which is not a domicile as they call it. 

1 hour ago, traildriver said:

Very interesting!

It is most likely Adirondack's 'sister company', New York Trailways, that is running that service, since they are based in Buffalo and Rochester...or perhaps they created a new Canadian subsidiary for that?

The self-described, "Town of Motels", at the junction of the Pennsylvania Turnpike and Interstate 70, used to be served by this extensive facility...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/103688802@N02/15013431874/in/album-72157647622207805/lightbox/

 

It featured a ticket office, around 20 bays, and even a small service and repair garage.  It was a major rest stop in Eastern Greyhound Lines days...

 

Interesting…. We’ve done plenty of charter bumps to D.C. by running a driver there in a company vehicle to wait for a driver to bring the bus to them to head in or pick it up to head back. I’ve heard many stories about it but never done it. It makes sense to have a facility there like they did… I can only imagine how many coaches they had coming through there at one time. 

[traildriver]

4 hours ago, ns8401 said:

I can only imagine how many coaches they had coming through there at one time. 

During the summer season, they came thru there “like street cars”…a trip about every 30 minutes, and in both directions, and oftentimes in multiple sections.  It was a sight to behold…

[ns8401]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:14 PM, traildriver said:

During the summer season, they came thru there “like street cars”…a trip about every 30 minutes, and in both directions, and oftentimes in multiple sections.  It was a sight to behold…

It sounds incredible… what runs now is but a pittance in comparison. 
 

An interesting thing started happening in Detroit this week… there is a new Detroit to Cleveland run which leaves at 745am with a counterpart arriving back at 440pm. Originally they were assigning a driver from each terminal to one of the two runs and returning the next day. Wednesday a FLIX bus showed up operated by Carr’s Motorcoach of Detroit (the operator of their Detroit to Chicago service) and they will now be running this run as an out and back using FLIX branded equipment and driver. Nobody at the terminal was informed of this until they showed up trying to get a ticket scanner. This may be the way they phase out the Union drivers and Greyhound equipment. Just slowly cede the runs to FLIX.

[Rapidbus]

7 hours ago, ns8401 said:

It sounds incredible… what runs now is but a pittance in comparison. 
 

An interesting thing started happening in Detroit this week… there is a new Detroit to Cleveland run which leaves at 745am with a counterpart arriving back at 440pm. Originally they were assigning a driver from each terminal to one of the two runs and returning the next day. Wednesday a FLIX bus showed up operated by Carr’s Motorcoach of Detroit (the operator of their Detroit to Chicago service) and they will now be running this run as an out and back using FLIX branded equipment and driver. Nobody at the terminal was informed of this until they showed up trying to get a ticket scanner. This may be the way they phase out the Union drivers and Greyhound equipment. Just slowly cede the runs to FLIX.

If I am not mistaken, these trips are new for the summer. 

Since these trips are still ran as Greyhound instead of Flix, The more optimistic part of me is thinking that they are planning to increase the number of GLI runs through this partnership model rather than increasing the GLI driver pool/equipment. 

If done correctly, it may not be the worst, in where Flix can take the short hauls to say Atlantic City whether through their brand or through GLI where its more compatible with their model and GLI can reallocate its drivers/equipment to do NY -Pittsburgh, NY -Richmond, and other long haul

On 7/13/2022 at 12:14 PM, traildriver said:

During the summer season, they came thru there “like street cars”…a trip about every 30 minutes, and in both directions, and oftentimes in multiple sections.  It was a sight to behold…

Good old days... now medium sized cities barely deserve a bus terminal with the minimal amount of service provided.

If Flix can (as a brand separate from GLI) reinvigorate bus travel (carrying riders not forced to ride the bus as carried on GH now) in cities in midsize markets in the midwest, southeast I would consider that a win for the industry 

[ns8401]

22 minutes ago, Rapidbus said:

If I am not mistaken, these trips are new for the summer. 

Since these trips are still ran as Greyhound instead of Flix, The more optimistic part of me is thinking that they are planning to increase the number of GLI runs through this partnership model rather than increasing the GLI driver pool/equipment. 

If done correctly, it may not be the worst, in where Flix can take the short hauls to say Atlantic City whether through their brand or through GLI where its more compatible with their model and GLI can reallocate its drivers/equipment to do NY -Pittsburgh, NY -Richmond, and other long haul

Good old days... now medium sized cities barely deserve a bus terminal with the minimal amount of service provided.

If Flix can (as a brand separate from GLI) reinvigorate bus travel (carrying riders not forced to ride the bus as carried on GH now) in cities in midsize markets in the midwest, southeast I would consider that a win for the industry 

Correct. The runs were just added last week. Hopefully you are right but the rumor mill favors the pessimistic option about breaking the union. Morale at the company and in Dallas is extremely low is my understanding. I would love it if they used this to add more runs and go more places. I’m always for added service. Just would hate to see this go south on the folks I work with as a close up observer. 

Interestingly enough I mentioned that Package Express was going away in August and Road Rewards went away July 7… now we have a reason… T.R.I.P.S will be eliminated in favor of the Flix ticketing system in time for back to school and other things coming back in the fall. I.T. Will be handled in Berlin. That’s a huge win if their ticketing system is decent and intuitive. The current ticketing system is simple to use once you understand it but it’s from 1993. I was a toddler when it came out 29 years ago. Rolling it out to all the partner carriers and their myriad stations and agents may be a challenge. If it’s internet based that’ll be all the better.

[Rapidbus]

2 hours ago, ns8401 said:

Correct. The runs were just added last week. Hopefully you are right but the rumor mill favors the pessimistic option about breaking the union. Morale at the company and in Dallas is extremely low is my understanding. I would love it if they used this to add more runs and go more places. I’m always for added service. Just would hate to see this go south on the folks I work with as a close up observer. 

I guess it ultimately depends on whether Flix intends to grow the overall market (whether through using the Flix brand or GH brand) vs maximize profit. but in the short run, with driver shortage and all that I doubt Flix will have enough operators available to take over even 1/3 of GH's runs anyways. I hope there is something in the union contract that prevents something like this from happening on a large scale

As far as morale goes, I would imagine the morale has been low for the past 30 years or so. Hard to have a high morale when the company you work for has been on a permanent steady downward slope, nor does it help that every parent company in the past was trying to separate out and throw Greyhound like a hot potato from its profitable school bus division

 

There was a brief moment in mid-2010s where things were looking up. First Group was investing in new buses, adding express trips, adding/through-running more trips, where it really seem like Greyhound was turning around. Then by 2017 its back on the decline again

 

Something just feels off with the acquisition of GH by Flix. These are two companies with essentially the opposite business model. They carry passengers on buses, but everything else is the opposite, Flix is asset lite, and focused on the younger rider, mostly point - point business model, GH is asset heavy and have a dedicated based of captive ridership willing to endure 3 transfers in the middle of the night. Maybe they are trying to mix the two type of business together? If you grow market share enough, I guess you can start attracting more of the "younger" ridership back. Maybe that is the goal here?

2 hours ago, ns8401 said:

Interestingly enough I mentioned that Package Express was going away in August and Road Rewards went away July 7… now we have a reason… T.R.I.P.S will be eliminated in favor of the Flix ticketing system in time for back to school and other things coming back in the fall. I.T. Will be handled in Berlin. That’s a huge win if their ticketing system is decent and intuitive. The current ticketing system is simple to use once you understand it but it’s from 1993. I was a toddler when it came out 29 years ago. Rolling it out to all the partner carriers and their myriad stations and agents may be a challenge. If it’s internet based that’ll be all the better.

Interesting, I would imagine fall being a little too quick for the switchover? Especially if all the partner carrier are not informed and trained on it. I will imagine they needed to get both GH staff as well as any other agency staff/partner on board before they completely shut down TRIPS. But by next year, I think it will definitely happen.

But it is really not surprising that TRIPS is finally getting replaced. Not many system out there still require agents to use the F buttons for everything. Previous parent companies Laidlaw and First didn't see a need to replace Trips because Greyhound wasn't really their priority.

I can't imagine Flix's system being more antiquated than TRIPS. Most modern systems are Internet based. My hope is that since its internet based, it will be easier to roll out to more agents compared to the TRIPS system. I also wonder if both Flix and GH trips will be shown in the future, and how integrated the two company will be. (Flix trips are already shown on GH's website, but I would imagine it would be cleaner in the future)

As for GPX, I'm sure the reason for that's demise is probably because it requires a place to hold the package. Most likely with the conversion of full service stations into gas stations/curbside/e-ticketing locations, there will no longer be places to do that, and with GPX being gravy in terms of revenue, I'm guessing the savings from not having a station/agency staff will outweigh the small revenue (if any) they gain from it.

[traildriver]

I wonder....if by some magic, Greyhound suddenly ran the exact same network of routes and schedules that they operated in the summer of 1972...50 years ago.

Would the ridership of that time return, or would it not?   Of course, there was nowhere near the low cost air carrier choices back then, pre-dereulation....

[ns8401]

31 minutes ago, Rapidbus said:

I guess it ultimately depends on whether Flix intends to grow the overall market (whether through using the Flix brand or GH brand) vs maximize profit. but in the short run, with driver shortage and all that I doubt Flix will have enough operators available to take over even 1/3 of GH's runs anyways. I hope there is something in the union contract that prevents something like this from happening on a large scale

As far as morale goes, I would imagine the morale has been low for the past 30 years or so. Hard to have a high morale when the company you work for has been on a permanent steady downward slope, nor does it help that every parent company in the past was trying to separate out and throw Greyhound like a hot potato from its profitable school bus division

 

There was a brief moment in mid-2010s where things were looking up. First Group was investing in new buses, adding express trips, adding/through-running more trips, where it really seem like Greyhound was turning around. Then by 2017 its back on the decline again

 

Something just feels off with the acquisition of GH by Flix. These are two companies with essentially the opposite business model. They carry passengers on buses, but everything else is the opposite, Flix is asset lite, and focused on the younger rider, mostly point - point business model, GH is asset heavy and have a dedicated based of captive ridership willing to endure 3 transfers in the middle of the night. Maybe they are trying to mix the two type of business together? If you grow market share enough, I guess you can start attracting more of the "younger" ridership back. Maybe that is the goal here?

Interesting, I would imagine fall being a little too quick for the switchover? Especially if all the partner carrier are not informed and trained on it. I will imagine they needed to get both GH staff as well as any other agency staff/partner on board before they completely shut down TRIPS. But by next year, I think it will definitely happen.

But it is really not surprising that TRIPS is finally getting replaced. Not many system out there still require agents to use the F buttons for everything. Previous parent companies Laidlaw and First didn't see a need to replace Trips because Greyhound wasn't really their priority.

I can't imagine Flix's system being more antiquated than TRIPS. Most modern systems are Internet based. My hope is that since its internet based, it will be easier to roll out to more agents compared to the TRIPS system. I also wonder if both Flix and GH trips will be shown in the future, and how integrated the two company will be. (Flix trips are already shown on GH's website, but I would imagine it would be cleaner in the future)

As for GPX, I'm sure the reason for that's demise is probably because it requires a place to hold the package. Most likely with the conversion of full service stations into gas stations/curbside/e-ticketing locations, there will no longer be places to do that, and with GPX being gravy in terms of revenue, I'm guessing the savings from not having a station/agency staff will outweigh the small revenue (if any) they gain from it.

I first heard about the TRIPS thing in January so the partners have been aware of it for quite awhile and August or September sounds like a deadline. Obviously we’ll see how it goes in the real world. GPX relies on the TRIPS system for freight billing… so going to e-stops and then eliminating the billing system has sealed its fate. 
 

FLIX’s system uses QR codes so it might be possible to have one QR code for a 7 bus trip at some point. That would save a huge amount of paper and make it easier on everyone. We might even go paperless the way Greyhound’s own runs have.

25 minutes ago, traildriver said:

I wonder....if by some magic, Greyhound suddenly ran the exact same network of routes and schedules that they operated in the summer of 1972...50 years ago.

Would the ridership of that time return, or would it not?   Of course, there was nowhere near the low cost air carrier choices back then, pre-dereulation....

Good question. A lot of the skeleton of that system still exists through the partner carriers taking it over when they skipped town. A lot of those routes that they dropped ended up as state runs. Looking through all those old Russell’s guides I’ve seen a lot of “wow they did that?!” Kinds of things too. Places I would never expect to see a dozen buses a day or short rural routes into a major place that is no longer served by anybody. I kind of think cleaning up the riff raff might help… Metal detectors, ID checks with TSA… not as comprehensive as an airport but at least make people think you care. 

[Rapidbus]

1 hour ago, traildriver said:

I wonder....if by some magic, Greyhound suddenly ran the exact same network of routes and schedules that they operated in the summer of 1972...50 years ago.

Would the ridership of that time return, or would it not?   Of course, there was nowhere near the low cost air carrier choices back then, pre-dereulation....

Ironically I thought of the same question...

Unfortunately I don't believe the the same ridership will return even with the same network. But the system will be in a hell of a lot better shape than it is right now. Right now the biggest issue is with the reduced schedule is that if you miss a transfer the next one is 12 hours or even worse 24 hours away.

A good preview is up north in Canada. Under a regulated system in Alberta, and MB prevented many route abandonment, yet Greyhound claimed the system they had was unsustainable with both rural AND urban routes ridership dropping despite not reducing that much routes. granted the name Greyhound itself will probably cause the ridership to drop 25% but still. They operated a very extensive system in Alberta and Manitoba before deregulation. A mix of rural depopulation, loss of long distance operation I guess caused the overall routes to be unsustainable.

With a big network, however government will care more about where the bus stops, and if the bus stops in their community versus the complete indifference government officials have towards bus operators

There is no way they can get away with what they did to Knoxville, Oakland or Las Vegas if they still had the network they had pre strike in 1990 or even as recent as 2005. 

 

 

Off topic, I am still scratching my head on why Greyhound decided it was a good idea to completely cut its I-90 transcontinental. Like I know 3 trips was a little too much, but that corridor couldn't support 1-2 trips? Another puzzle was the elimination of all service along I-80 between Omaha (and eventually Chicago) - Denver/Cheyenne transcontinental. Was these trunk lines underperforming that badly that GH couldn't make a profit? Or did GH seriously think passengers are alright with being rerouted via St Louis instead? 

Now the SLC - Portland portion is split up, the Reno - SLC portion was given to Amtrak, the Denver - LA is down to once a day, whats next, rerouting everyone via Albuquerque, and Los Angeles?

The 1981/1990 cuts were bad, but it was the 2003-2005 cuts that really cut into the bones of the system

The question I have is, did passengers stopped ride Greyhound because of its stigma, convenience of other transportation network, bad service or because Greyhound cut so many schedules its not workable anymore? I believe its a mix of all of them combined, which causes the so called death spiral. Until a knight with shining armor starts to actually invest in the company, it (and intercity bus industry) will continue to decline in this country

 

 

[traildriver]

8 hours ago, ns8401 said:

I first heard about the TRIPS thing in January so the partners have been aware of it for quite awhile and August or September sounds like a deadline. Obviously we’ll see how it goes in the real world. GPX relies on the TRIPS system for freight billing… so going to e-stops and then eliminating the billing system has sealed its fate. 
 

FLIX’s system uses QR codes so it might be possible to have one QR code for a 7 bus trip at some point. That would save a huge amount of paper and make it easier on everyone. We might even go paperless the way Greyhound’s own runs have.

Good question. A lot of the skeleton of that system still exists through the partner carriers taking it over when they skipped town. A lot of those routes that they dropped ended up as state runs. Looking through all those old Russell’s guides I’ve seen a lot of “wow they did that?!” Kinds of things too. Places I would never expect to see a dozen buses a day or short rural routes into a major place that is no longer served by anybody. I kind of think cleaning up the riff raff might help… Metal detectors, ID checks with TSA… not as comprehensive as an airport but at least make people think you care. 

 

8 hours ago, Rapidbus said:

Ironically I thought of the same question...

Unfortunately I don't believe the the same ridership will return even with the same network. But the system will be in a hell of a lot better shape than it is right now. Right now the biggest issue is with the reduced schedule is that if you miss a transfer the next one is 12 hours or even worse 24 hours away.

A good preview is up north in Canada. Under a regulated system in Alberta, and MB prevented many route abandonment, yet Greyhound claimed the system they had was unsustainable with both rural AND urban routes ridership dropping despite not reducing that much routes. granted the name Greyhound itself will probably cause the ridership to drop 25% but still. They operated a very extensive system in Alberta and Manitoba before deregulation. A mix of rural depopulation, loss of long distance operation I guess caused the overall routes to be unsustainable.

With a big network, however government will care more about where the bus stops, and if the bus stops in their community versus the complete indifference government officials have towards bus operators

There is no way they can get away with what they did to Knoxville, Oakland or Las Vegas if they still had the network they had pre strike in 1990 or even as recent as 2005. 

 

 

Off topic, I am still scratching my head on why Greyhound decided it was a good idea to completely cut its I-90 transcontinental. Like I know 3 trips was a little too much, but that corridor couldn't support 1-2 trips? Another puzzle was the elimination of all service along I-80 between Omaha (and eventually Chicago) - Denver/Cheyenne transcontinental. Was these trunk lines underperforming that badly that GH couldn't make a profit? Or did GH seriously think passengers are alright with being rerouted via St Louis instead? 

Now the SLC - Portland portion is split up, the Reno - SLC portion was given to Amtrak, the Denver - LA is down to once a day, whats next, rerouting everyone via Albuquerque, and Los Angeles?

The 1981/1990 cuts were bad, but it was the 2003-2005 cuts that really cut into the bones of the system

The question I have is, did passengers stopped ride Greyhound because of its stigma, convenience of other transportation network, bad service or because Greyhound cut so many schedules its not workable anymore? I believe its a mix of all of them combined, which causes the so called death spiral. Until a knight with shining armor starts to actually invest in the company, it (and intercity bus industry) will continue to decline in this country

 

 

Good points.   I guess the "if we build it, they will come" dream, is just that....a nostalgic dream by someone that has lived through those halcyon days.   At one time, there was even a fourth (express) trip added to the I-94/90 route between Chicago and Seattle.  And mention of Omaha brings a gleam to my eye...I worked for Greyhound at Omaha from 1971 to 1973.What a hub that place was back then.  There were 6 daily thru trips from Omaha west, 8 east, and in the summer we added three more thru express trips in each direction, often running with extra sections.  Plus several other routes north and south.  Not to mention, Continental Trailways also had a hub operation there, with about three or four trips in each direction.   Arrow & Black Hills Stages also had its route to Rapid City.   And Amtrak ran its SFZ thru there.   

[Megabus Rider]

On 7/13/2022 at 5:55 AM, Rapidbus said:

 

 

Interesting Ourbus is stopping at breezewood, PA though... I always wanted to go there to see how that "town" is like

I am guessing its a rest stop and they decided to make it a stop at the same time. Niagara Falls, ON is a rest stop as well with Equinox Bus Lines/Ourbus. Cortland, NY is also a rest stop with Niagara Scenic Tours/Ourbus.

[ns8401]

Effective 7/21/22

Other Changes:

1162 Tallahassee, Florida to St. Louis, Missouri -- Huntsville, Alabama has been discontinued

1167 St. Louis, Missouri to Tallahassee, Florida -- Huntsville, Alabama has been discontinued

9710 Atlanta, Georgia to Huntsville, Alabama -- Huntsville, Alabama has been discontinued

9711 Huntsville, Alabama to Atlanta, Georgia -- Huntsville, Alabama has been discontinued

** Huntsville is now curbside if it wasn't already. **

 

Effective 7/25/22

8512 Atlantic City Casinos, New Jersey to New York, New York -- Will now end at New York (George Washington Bridge Bus Station), New York

8551 New York, New York to Atlantic City Casinos, New Jersey -- Will now begin at New York (George Washington Bridge Bus Station), New York

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/49-22.pdf

[Rapidbus]

On 7/22/2022 at 10:54 PM, ns8401 said:

Effective 7/25/22

8512 Atlantic City Casinos, New Jersey to New York, New York -- Will now end at New York (George Washington Bridge Bus Station), New York

8551 New York, New York to Atlantic City Casinos, New Jersey -- Will now begin at New York (George Washington Bridge Bus Station), New York

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/49-22.pdf

Interesting, glad they are trying something new by serving the upper Manhattan/bronx market at GWB. 

[ns8401]

Effective 7/29/22

** SALT LAKE CITY AIRPORT, UTAH HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED **

** SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH HAS BEEN RELOCATED TO PRIOR ADDRESS **

** LAS VEGAS SOUTH STRIP, NEVADA IS NOW LAS VEGAS, NEVADA **

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/50-22.pdf

[Megabus Rider]

On 7/25/2022 at 7:09 PM, Rapidbus said:

Interesting, glad they are trying something new by serving the upper Manhattan/bronx market at GWB. 

Ourbus is and they seem successful with the NYC - Toronto service out of GWB Terminal.

[ns8401]

5 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

Ourbus is and they seem successful with the NYC - Toronto service out of GWB Terminal.

Greyhound has been running out of there for several years now…

[Megabus Rider]

On 8/2/2022 at 7:23 AM, ns8401 said:

Greyhound has been running out of there for several years now…

It was more to Boston and DC

[ns8401]

5 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

It was more to Boston and DC

If memory serves the original set were extensions to and from Port Authority. Which means you could go in literally every direction. Not terribly unlike what they do with their buses to and from Union station in Chicago.

[Rapidbus]

On 8/1/2022 at 9:34 PM, ns8401 said:

Effective 7/29/22

** SALT LAKE CITY AIRPORT, UTAH HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED **

** SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH HAS BEEN RELOCATED TO PRIOR ADDRESS **

** LAS VEGAS SOUTH STRIP, NEVADA IS NOW LAS VEGAS, NEVADA **

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/50-22.pdf

I guess the SLC Airport and the Boulevard Mall didn't work out for them. They are now back to their original locations 

6 hours ago, ns8401 said:

If memory serves the original set were extensions to and from Port Authority. Which means you could go in literally every direction. Not terribly unlike what they do with their buses to and from Union station in Chicago.

I think there were a couple of Boston - DC thru trips via GWB as well as Boston - Hartford - Philadelphia. 

On 8/2/2022 at 1:54 AM, Megabus Rider said:

Ourbus is and they seem successful with the NYC - Toronto service out of GWB Terminal.

Kinda annoying for me is that alot of their upstate service is now at GWB, since I don't live within catchment area. While there is still potentially a good market at GWB I would imagine Midtown would still serve more passengers and have more pax that are accessible to the general area

[ns8401]

2 hours ago, Rapidbus said:

I guess the SLC Airport and the Boulevard Mall didn't work out for them. They are now back to their original locations 

I think there were a couple of Boston - DC thru trips via GWB as well as Boston - Hartford - Philadelphia. 

Kinda annoying for me is that alot of their upstate service is now at GWB, since I don't live within catchment area. While there is still potentially a good market at GWB I would imagine Midtown would still serve more passengers and have more pax that are accessible to the general area

Boston-Philadelphia still goes there as well as the Atlantic City they just started. I seem to remember there was a run that went from Port Authority to GWB and that’s literally it. This was before the pandemic and some guy made a YouTube video out of it. I remember thinking a 20 minute run or whatever it was sure looked odd…. Then I started seeing tickets for folks going there connecting to the bus to New York City from my bus and it made sense.

[traildriver]

Prior to Greyhound taking over Continental Trailways, the latter’s Trailways of New England division,  ran all but one (1:00 AM to Boston and Portland), of their trips from the main PABT up to “the Bridge”, enroute to their destinations.  Greyhound had a couple of other stops in Harlem and/or the West Bronx to serve the “uptown” area…

[Rapidbus]

15 hours ago, traildriver said:

Prior to Greyhound taking over Continental Trailways, the latter’s Trailways of New England division,  ran all but one (1:00 AM to Boston and Portland), of their trips from the main PABT up to “the Bridge”, enroute to their destinations.  Greyhound had a couple of other stops in Harlem and/or the West Bronx to serve the “uptown” area…

Kinda off topic, I Wasn’t there for it

But towards the end didn’t Cont trailways almost completely shut down? They cut around 50% of their service in 1986 and according to a news article they are planning to withdraw service to 7 more states including most of the west. 
 

really weird to see a foreshadow of Greyhound’s decline a decade later

[traildriver]

On 8/8/2022 at 5:14 AM, Rapidbus said:

Kinda off topic, I Wasn’t there for it

But towards the end didn’t Cont trailways almost completely shut down? They cut around 50% of their service in 1986 and according to a news article they are planning to withdraw service to 7 more states including most of the west. 
 

really weird to see a foreshadow of Greyhound’s decline a decade later

Seems that way…

In the last decade or so, especially since abandoning the I-90 northern transcontinental route, and severly reducing the I-80 transcontinental route, the Greyhound “system” map looks more like the former CTS map, reinforced with headquarters in Dallas…

[ns8401]

9 hours ago, traildriver said:

Seems that way…

In the last decade or so, especially since abandoning the I-90 northern transcontinental route, and severly reducing the I-80 transcontinental route, the Greyhound “system” map looks more like the former CTS map, reinforced with headquarters in Dallas…

Fred Currey would be proud…

[Megabus Rider]

On 8/4/2022 at 4:00 PM, Rapidbus said:

I guess the SLC Airport and the Boulevard Mall didn't work out for them. They are now back to their original locations 

I think there were a couple of Boston - DC thru trips via GWB as well as Boston - Hartford - Philadelphia. 

Kinda annoying for me is that alot of their upstate service is now at GWB, since I don't live within catchment area. While there is still potentially a good market at GWB I would imagine Midtown would still serve more passengers and have more pax that are accessible to the general area

My friend told me when he started service in August of last year, the passengers reported GWB to be a better Terminal than PABT as there was almost no homeless people walking around GWB. As of last month, the homeless people have turned GWB into PABT. Somebody spread the word about Ourbus lol