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My source tells me that Greyhound Lines and Adirondack Trailways both called the CBSA Port of Entry in Fort Erie, ON to learn about the rules to enter Canada. Seems they will both resume their Toronto - New York run next month when fully vaccinated Canadians can enter the US by land! Equinox Bus Lines/Ourbus got a head start with the rules but were smart to use a smaller vehicle. Let's see how Greyhound and Adirondack Trailways Driver's deal with checking negative tests and vaccination records on 50 passengers lol

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On 10/14/2021 at 11:33 PM, Megabus Rider said:

My source tells me that Greyhound Lines and Adirondack Trailways both called the CBSA Port of Entry in Fort Erie, ON to learn about the rules to enter Canada. Seems they will both resume their Toronto - New York run next month when fully vaccinated Canadians can enter the US by land! Equinox Bus Lines/Ourbus got a head start with the rules but were smart to use a smaller vehicle. Let's see how Greyhound and Adirondack Trailways Driver's deal with checking negative tests and vaccination records on 50 passengers lol

I’m glad I don’t go to Canada. Keeping track of who has a mask on or not is already a bridge too far. Keeping track of tests and who’s vaccinated too? No thanks.

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39 minutes ago, Megabus Rider said:

Good luck with those negative tests results. Gonna learn the name of every clinic in the alphabet soup lol

With the demeanor of some of those Greyhound drivers I suspect there will be some people kicked off close to the border on either side. 

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Effective 10/6/21:

Abolished:

AAU Schedules 8913, 8914, 8924, 8925, 8927, 8944

 

Effective 10/10/21:

3747 Raleigh, North Carolina to Asheville, North Carolina -- Hendersonville, North Carolina has been discontinued

3748 Asheville, North Carolina to Raleigh, North Carolina -- Hendersonville, North Carolina has been discontinued

 

Effective 10/13/21:

V9588 Harlingen, Texas to San Antonio, Texas -- Corpus Christi West, Texas has been discontinued

V9595 San Antonio, Texas to Brownsville, Texas -- Corpus Christi West, Texas has been discontinued

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/68-21.pdf

 

Effective 10/13/21:

3219 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania will operate via Mt. Laurel, New Jersey

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/69-21.pdf

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On 10/14/2021 at 11:33 PM, Megabus Rider said:

My source tells me that Greyhound Lines and Adirondack Trailways both called the CBSA Port of Entry in Fort Erie, ON to learn about the rules to enter Canada. Seems they will both resume their Toronto - New York run next month when fully vaccinated Canadians can enter the US by land! Equinox Bus Lines/Ourbus got a head start with the rules but were smart to use a smaller vehicle. Let's see how Greyhound and Adirondack Trailways Driver's deal with checking negative tests and vaccination records on 50 passengers lol

Interesting.  

Does "your source" tell you that Adirondack Trailways is planning to expand operations into Toronto?

Most Interesting...

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On 10/18/2021 at 11:40 PM, traildriver said:

Interesting.  

Does "your source" tell you that Adirondack Trailways is planning to expand operations into Toronto?

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They did, trying to get it verified.

I had the impression that Adirondack would use their Buffalo crew to do the Toronto - Buffalo part of the run where the Driver could take a break in Toronto.

Unless Adirondack Trailways is setting up a Canadian Subsidiary in Ontario or Federally, that's what I am trying to find out. I know they can set up in Ontario since the Ontario Government did lax the rules of foreign ownership.

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15 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

They did, trying to get it verified.

I had the impression that Adirondack would use their Buffalo crew to do the Toronto - Buffalo part of the run where the Driver could take a break in Toronto.

Unless Adirondack Trailways is setting up a Canadian Subsidiary in Ontario or Federally, that's what I am trying to find out. I know they can set up in Ontario since the Ontario Government did lax the rules of foreign ownership.

One minor point...the Buffalo driver's are part of New York Trailways (legally, "Passenger Bus Corporation"), a sister company to Adirondack under the Trailways of New York banner.  Adirondack itself does not operate west of Syracuse.

That aside, I would be very surprised if they would operate into Toronto, although Adirondack itself does operate into Montreal.   I think they would go back to pooling with Greyhound, or some other operator, either US or Canadian, rather than extend into Toronto.   

It's been four years since I retired from that company, and moved to Florida, so I am no longer "in the loop" as to what's going on, but am certainly very interested...

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Greyhound Lines is set to operate from Toronto on November 8, based on booking on their website. 3 departures from Toronto and 3 from NYC.  Greyhound avoided the early morning departure from Toronto (Guessing its to do with Ourbus/Equinox Bus Lines' 7:40am departure from Scarborough) but they do offer 2 early departures from NYC. There is night service which would be popular for those wanting a weekend getaway.

Ourbus/Equinox Bus Lines has the upper hand with their Buffalo stop being at Buffalo Airport, I just checked Delta and JetBlue, both are charging $74 USD to NYC from Buffalo Airport and with Ourbus fare at $30 USD, not bad!

It's gonna be interesting! Not sure if Megabus will do Toronto - NYC but they have time to plan.

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9 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

Greyhound Lines is set to operate from Toronto on November 8, based on booking on their website. 3 departures from Toronto and 3 from NYC.  Greyhound avoided the early morning departure from Toronto (Guessing its to do with Ourbus/Equinox Bus Lines' 7:40am departure from Scarborough) but they do offer 2 early departures from NYC. There is night service which would be popular for those wanting a weekend getaway.

Ourbus/Equinox Bus Lines has the upper hand with their Buffalo stop being at Buffalo Airport, I just checked Delta and JetBlue, both are charging $74 USD to NYC from Buffalo Airport and with Ourbus fare at $30 USD, not bad!

It's gonna be interesting! Not sure if Megabus will do Toronto - NYC but they have time to plan.

Do both carriers take the same route?

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18 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

Greyhound Lines is set to operate from Toronto on November 8, based on booking on their website. 3 departures from Toronto and 3 from NYC.  Greyhound avoided the early morning departure from Toronto (Guessing its to do with Ourbus/Equinox Bus Lines' 7:40am departure from Scarborough) but they do offer 2 early departures from NYC. There is night service which would be popular for those wanting a weekend getaway.

Ourbus/Equinox Bus Lines has the upper hand with their Buffalo stop being at Buffalo Airport, I just checked Delta and JetBlue, both are charging $74 USD to NYC from Buffalo Airport and with Ourbus fare at $30 USD, not bad!

It's gonna be interesting! Not sure if Megabus will do Toronto - NYC but they have time to plan.

Is a couple or three hour flight really in the same category as an 8+ hour bus ride? Folks who make this comparison should quit while they are ahead. Maybe the clientele behaves differently in this particular lane… but usually the folks taking the bus aren’t doing it for a weekend getaway. That sounds like more of an upscale clientele thing. 
 

I can get from New York to Buffalo in 84 minutes for $200 at the fastest… even for the most frugal person an 5, 6, 7, 8 hour long ride on a bus even at $30 may be an inconvenience. Why people don’t get that math I don’t know but trying to have the two modes compete is like a horse vs. a Ferrari… they just aren’t competitors and no amount of wishing is gonna make the guy with $200 he’s willing to use get where he’s going 8 times slower. 
 

Right Now, I can get a Delta ticket for November 22 New York to Toronto for $106 and be there in 1 hour 24 minutes. Greyhound takes 12 hours and charges me $82. Only a crazy person or someone who won’t make it through security would save $24 and spend 10.5 hours extra to get there and transfer twice and go through customs at the border. Not a competition. 

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13 hours ago, Shaun said:

Do both carriers take the same route?

Greyhound is taking the same route prior to the pandemic via Syracuse.

Ourbus goes through Ithaca serving the Students of Cornell University.

4 hours ago, ns8401 said:

Is a couple or three hour flight really in the same category as an 8+ hour bus ride? Folks who make this comparison should quit while they are ahead. Maybe the clientele behaves differently in this particular lane… but usually the folks taking the bus aren’t doing it for a weekend getaway. That sounds like more of an upscale clientele thing. 
 

I can get from New York to Buffalo in 84 minutes for $200 at the fastest… even for the most frugal person an 5, 6, 7, 8 hour long ride on a bus even at $30 may be an inconvenience. Why people don’t get that math I don’t know but trying to have the two modes compete is like a horse vs. a Ferrari… they just aren’t competitors and no amount of wishing is gonna make the guy with $200 he’s willing to use get where he’s going 8 times slower. 
 

Right Now, I can get a Delta ticket for November 22 New York to Toronto for $106 and be there in 1 hour 24 minutes. Greyhound takes 12 hours and charges me $82. Only a crazy person or someone who won’t make it through security would save $24 and spend 10.5 hours extra to get there and transfer twice and go through customs at the border. Not a competition. 

Explain why Greyhound keeps complaining that their in money trouble because of 'low air fares?' Seems to me their focus is on the cost of airline tickets than fellow competitors Ourbus or Flixbus (prior to being bought over).

Ourbus has taken the proactive approach and uses Buffalo Airport as a Terminal to switch buses from Toronto and NYC. At the end of the day you can't do nothing about the low air fares but you can feed into it and that's what Ourbus has done with Buffalo Airport. The Students at Cornell can fly in and out of Buffalo knowing there is direct bus service and the same for Canadians in the Greater Toronto Area who use Buffalo Airport the escape the high Airfares with Pearson Airport. I should mentioned that Ourbus stops at Rochester Airport.

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2 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

Greyhound is taking the same route prior to the pandemic via Syracuse.

Ourbus goes through Ithaca serving the Students of Cornell University.

Explain why Greyhound keeps complaining that their in money trouble because of 'low air fares?' Seems to me their focus is on the cost of airline tickets than fellow competitors Ourbus or Flixbus (prior to being bought over).

Ourbus has taken the proactive approach and uses Buffalo Airport as a Terminal to switch buses from Toronto and NYC. At the end of the day you can't do nothing about the low air fares but you can feed into it and that's what Ourbus has done with Buffalo Airport. The Students at Cornell can fly in and out of Buffalo knowing there is direct bus service and the same for Canadians in the Greater Toronto Area who use Buffalo Airport the escape the high Airfares with Pearson Airport. I should mentioned that Ourbus stops at Rochester Airport.

Airport stops make perfect sense. Feed relatively local passengers to the airlines to take long distances. But Greyhound is a horribly run company so them having their focus in the wrong place shouldn’t be a surprise. Rather than go with the flow and feed the airlines or focus on competing low cost services that eat their lunch they are doing the same stuff they were doing in 1978. 

An issue Greyhound has that the others don’t is that airports don’t want them stopping there because of the types of folks that ride the bus. At one time (maybe 35+ years ago) intercity bus service from airports to surrounding areas was a huge deal. Somewhere along the way that faded. That it hasn’t come back even now is kind of amazing. 
 

Here in the Detroit area there were a few intercity companies (Shortway Lines, North Star Lines and Greyhound) that fed Detroit Metro Airport. I’m not sure when that went away but the Greyhound sign (a big one at that) resides in my friends attic of all places. There was also a company called Airport Service Line and Limousine that did several trips a day from the airport using coaches around the same time. My guess was that by 1990 this was all gone. Any attempts to come back there in the years since has been futile. The airport doesn’t want us there. I get asked how to get to the airport almost daily and our garage is literally across the freeway, perfect for a stop on the way to start a run or as an on demand drop-only type stop. So the demand exists but the politics of the situation are another matter because of the image the bus has. There is a commuter/airport service we run to Ann Arbor and East Lansing but most of the area only has the city bus and that’s a several hour trip with potentially some gaps in the service. 

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Effective 10/20/21:

1431 Seattle, Washington to Los Angeles, California -- Will operate via Marysville, California

1436 Los Angeles, California to Bellingham Cordata, Washington -- Will operate via Marysville, California

1446 Los Angeles, California to Bellingham, Washington -- Will operate via Marysville, California

1449 Bellingham, Washington to Los Angeles, California -- Will operate via Marysville, California

4714 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois -- Will Operate from Milwaukee, Wisconsin to Chicago, Illinois

4923 Chicago, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota -- Will operate from Chicago, Illinois to Milwaukee, Wisconsin

9336 Monterey, Mexico to Dallas, Texas -- Will operate via Waxahachie, Texas

9702 Birmingham, Alabama to Florence, Alabama -- Will operate via Cullman, Alabama

9703 Florence, Alabama to Birmingham, Alabama -- Will operate via Cullman, Alabama

 

NEW:

9476 San Ysidro, California to Los Angeles, California -- Friday/Saturday/Sunday only

9477 Los Angeles, California to San Ysidro, California -- Friday/Saturday/Sunday only

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/70-21.pdf

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The new Toronto schedules are in extranet, schedules are 2761-2766, even numbers inbound from Toronto and odd numbers outbound. They do show a stop in Niagara Falls, though the website makes it seem as if you can't book this segment locally within Canada. Seeing how GLC is no more, I'm guessing American GLI drivers will take the buses all the way to Toronto, unless GLI is hiring or contracting out for Canadian drivers (FWIW American drivers would be exempt from all the COVID border measures going into Canada even if passengers aren't). The deregulation in Ontario means they could easily set up a subsidiary in Canada to hire drivers to take the buses into Canada, and they'd (probably) be allowed to carry local passengers without having to get running rights. 

The Greyhound website shows the old Bay and Front Union Station Bus Terminal (which no longer exists) as the stop in Toronto, which I'm assuming is an error and they mean the new one at Bay and Lakeshore, unless they're planning for curbside loading. I'd expect to see at least one pilot run with no passengers just so drivers can get familiar with the street layout and the new terminal.

 

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Am assuming the Niagara Falls stop is to alight passengers going to stops before Toronto.  I can assume that passengers are going to be encouraged to use GO to intermediate points, by bus or train.

Fort Erie could be tricky, because one would have to use a local service by Niagara Transit to Niagara Square and connect to the Fort Erie shuttle there.

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Official statement indicating routes to Vancouver and Montreal as well…

Greyhound, the largest provider of intercity bus transportation in North America, announced the return of service to Canada following the reopening of the United States-Canada border. Starting today, customers can officially book tickets for trips taking place on November 8 and beyond. The current travel destinations in Canada being offered are Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver.

"Greyhound is just as excited as our customers to resume cross-border travel to Canada," said Rob Friedman, Chief Commercial Officer, Greyhound Lines, Inc. "Our goal is to provide our passengers with affordable fares and stress-free transportation as they return to normal travel, especially around the holidays."

Canadian passengers looking to book their travel with Greyhound can do so with a new, dedicated site that provides schedules and all the information they will need. U.S. travelers can book online or through the Greyhound app. For those planning on making the trip north, Canada is currently requiring all visitors to be fully vaccinated and have a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours before arrival at the border. Lastly, travelers must register with ArriveCAN online or through the app to provide mandatory travel information. U.S. Travelers are recommended to visit Canada's travel site to learn more about Canada's travel requirements.

When ready to travel, customers can enjoy easy hassle-free boarding at our dedicated terminals, and simply show-and-go by using the e-Ticketing option. From there, customers can then enjoy a safe, comfortable ride, as well as modern amenities, such as onboard entertainment options, free onboard Wi-Fi, power outlets, reclining leather seats and extra legroom.

https://www.wtvy.com/prnewswire/2021/10/26/greyhound-resumes-travel-canada-borders-reopen/

 

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Effective 11/1/21:

3862 Tallahassee, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia -- Will operate via Thomasville, Georgia

3863 Atlanta, Georgia to Tallahassee, Florida -- Will operate via Thomasville, Georgia

 

Effective 11/3/21:

7230 St. Louis, Missouri to Kansas City, Missouri -- Sedalia, Missouri has been discontinued

7231 Kansas City, Missouri to St. Louis, Missouri -- Sedalia, Missouri has been discontinued

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/71-21.pdf

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Effective 11/8/21:

1683 New York, New York to Los Angeles, California -- Hays, Kansas has been discontinued

1684 Los Angeles, California to New York, New York -- Hays, Kansas has been discontinued

1688 Los Angeles, California to New York, New York -- Hays, Kansas has been discontinued

1695 New York, New York to Los Angeles, California -- Hays, Kansas has been discontinued

 

Effective 11/13/21:

V9500 McAllen, Texas to Dallas, Texas -- Will operate from Harlingen, Texas to Dallas, Texas via Edinburg, Texas

V9501 Dallas, Texas to McAllen, Texas -- Will Operate from Dallas, Texas to Harlingen, Texas

V9547 Houston SE, Texas to Harlingen, Texas -- Will Operate Houston SE, Texas to Brownsville, Texas

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/75-21.pdf

 

Effective 11/5/21

Abolished:

8507 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8516 Atlantic City Casinos, New Jersey to New York, New York

 

Effective 11/9/21

Abolished:

2428 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2917 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/76-21.pdf

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Effective 11/8/21

NEW:

A276 Albany, New York to New York, New York

A283 New York, New York to Albany, New York

A287 Montreal, PQ to New York, New York

A292 New York, New York to Montreal, PQ

A297 Montreal, PQ to New York, New York

2761 Buffalo, New York to Toronto, Ontario

2762 Toronto, Ontario to Buffalo, New York

2763 Buffalo, New York to Toronto, Ontario

2764 Toronto, Ontario to Buffalo, New York

2765 Buffalo, New York to Toronto, Ontario

2766 Toronto, Ontario to Buffalo, New York

3536 Montreal, PQ to Boston, Massachusetts

3537 Boston, Massachusetts to Montreal, PQ

4001 Montreal, PQ to New York, New York

4036 New York, New York to Montreal, PQ

 

Abolished:

A269

A298

 

1436 Los Angeles, California to Bellingham Cordata, Washington -- Will now operate Los Angeles, California to Vancouver, BC

1446 Los Angeles, California to Bellingham, Washington -- Will now operate Los Angeles, California to Vancouver, BC

1449 Bellingham, Washington to Los Angeles -- Will now operate Vancouver, BC to Los Angeles, California

6581 Bellingham Cordata, Washington to Seattle, Washington -- Will now operate Vancouver, BC to Seattle, Washington

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/77-21.pdf

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Effective 11/12/21

NEW:

A298 ** Fridays Only **

 

1516 Dallas, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia -- Will Operate via Kilgore, Texas

1523 Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas -- Will Operate via Kilgore, Texas

1525 Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas -- Will Operate via Longview, Texas and Kilgore, Texas

1526 Dallas, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia -- Will Operate via Kilgore, Texas

1530 Dallas, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia -- Will Operate via Kilgore, Texas

1567 Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas -- Will Operate via Kilgore, Texas

 

Effective 11/16/21

9471 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Terminal, Mexico -- Will Operate via Tijuana, Mexico (Airport)

9473 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Terminal, Mexico -- Will Operate via Tijuana, Mexico (Airport)

9489 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Terminal, Mexico -- Will Operate via Tijuana, Mexico (Airport)

9493 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Terminal, Mexico -- Will Operate via Tijuana, Mexico (Airport)

9495 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Terminal, Mexico -- Will Operate via Tijuana, Mexico (Airport)

 

Effective 11/17/21

NEW:

AAU8913 El Paso, Texas to Juarez, Mexico

AAU8914 Juarez, Mexico to El Paso, Texas

AAU8924 Juarez, Mexico to El Paso, Texas

AAU8925 El Paso, Texas to Juarez, Mexico

 

1431 Seattle, Washington to Los Angeles, California -- Will Operate Vancouver, British Columbia to Los Angeles, California

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/79-21.pdf

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