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I second that. If I recall when Greyhound(this was several years ago)Greyhound had the option of renewing the lease or moving. There was talk about building a new terminal(at the time) near the Train Station making it a Transit Hub with VIA,Bus & LRT, but Greyhound renewed their lease.

 

Second why would Greyhound move out of the Ottawa terminal if they owned it?

I might be mistaken but I do believe the terminal is privately owned andif I recall the owner stated if Greyhound didn't renew their lease he was going to close the Terminal and mke condo'ss out of the prperty?

 

As for the terminal in Ottawa, perhaps they made a mistake and maybe there thinking of Ottawa OHIO or another terminal in the US with Ottawa as a city?

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One solution would be to supplement with "rental" companies.....we do that on busy holiday's now....not as profitable as running it yourself, but still better than letting the business go entirely els

You seem to be a very angry person, chill out

Greyhound Canada did a large number of schedule changes effective April 14th. Besides for the seasonal reductions for service to universities/colleges, here's a summary of the changes: Toronto

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I passed by the Toronto greyhound yard. Looks like some buses are missing. If this continues, it becomes less likely that they will return in Canada. 

I bet if there was money to be made with greyhound, some investment company would have picked it up already. 

The fact that they haven't probably means either the owners actually plan on returning to service or, can't find a buyer. 

4 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

I second that. If I recall when Greyhound(this was several years ago)Greyhound had the option of renewing the lease or moving. There was talk about building a new terminal(at the time) near the Train Station making it a Transit Hub with VIA,Bus & LRT, but Greyhound renewed their lease.

 

Second why would Greyhound move out of the Ottawa terminal if they owned it?

I might be mistaken but I do believe the terminal is privately owned andif I recall the owner stated if Greyhound didn't renew their lease he was going to close the Terminal and mke condo'ss out of the prperty?

 

As for the terminal in Ottawa, perhaps they made a mistake and maybe there thinking of Ottawa OHIO or another terminal in the US with Ottawa as a city?

They sold the terminal to a developer. It would likely result in enough money to pay to lease a terminal for ten years. Possibly buy some buses. 

Or take the money and go bankrupt. 

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5 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

As for the terminal in Ottawa, perhaps they made a mistake and maybe there thinking of Ottawa OHIO or another terminal in the US with Ottawa as a city?

There is a possibility it may be their garage and maintenance center at Ottawa. I know they are selling their garage in LA 

 

UPDATE:

Yep its their garage. This was in front of their property

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.4056978,-75.6117497,3a,73.8y,320.5h,89.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6Vc6_UILREV2rDNC98p56A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

Not looking good for Greyhound Canada service

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7 hours ago, roeco said:

since when did they own the Ottawa Terminal ? 

I believe they meant to say Greyhound sold their garage in Ottawa, I have a feeling PrevostCar/NovaBus bought it since they are using a place near by right now and were planning to get a facility near Ottawa. 

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If anyones been inside that garage it pretty hugh. They have an area where they do mechincal work If I recall I think there's something like 10 bays to do mechanical work, an area near the rear on the right side near the back where the can store buses in side(nt sure of the exact amount), near the front right they have the wash bays, outside on the right they have a larh=ge lot to store buses as well outside in the back.

 

Who ever bought it got lucky the garge itself is hugh as well as the proprety.

 

Like Rapidbus state its doesn't look good for Greyhound Canada.

9 hours ago, dev161 said:

PrevostCar/NovaBus bought it since they are using a place near by right now and were planning to get a facility near Ottawa. 

That wouldn't be Eastway would it? There just a few mins from the garage just off Bantreee?

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Currently the garage is a multi use facility, has been for quite a while now. Prevost/Nova was doing maintenance there and warranty repairs for OC Transpo and STO, they’ve since moved to another location. First Student was storing school buses there until I assume the sale was final and have left and parked at their other yards. 
 

there is also Gordon food Service ( GFS ) that parks on the dirt road beside the outdoor fuel tanks, they are renting the space, also outside beside the GFS trucks was where greyhound was storing their approx 15 X3-45s, only 3 are left 

 

inside the building as of yesterday there are 2 visible buses, an x3 and a D4500 and various random vehicles from companies on Ottawa ( not greyhound ) 

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On 1/2/2021 at 4:28 PM, Rapidbus said:

Denver to Salt Lake City is down to one trip via Interstate 80. Service via US40 is eliminated on December 31st

Colorado DOT replaced it with a trip from Denver to Craig, CO.

 

Greyhound just completed its sale of the following terminals 

LA for 88 million

Ottawa, ON for 7m

Denver for 37m

https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements/firstgroup-sells-3-greyhound-bus-terminals-for-137m--7764607.html

 

Greyhound as a company will probably never recover from this pandemic. Routs being cut left and right will probably never come back. In Canada, if they come back (thats a big if), it would most likely only be Toronto- Detroit, Toronto to Ottawa and Ottawa to Montreal, and maybe Buffalo-Niagara Falls

A friend of mine travels between Salt Lake City and Denver from time to time and decided to fly since it was much faster and more efficient (1.5 hours via Frontier Airlines). Especially since the same itinerary, I literally seen a ticket go for $27 one way. Pretty cheap and not having to deal with traffic or long hours on the road. 

Buying the same itinerary (Denver to Salt Lake City) on Greyhound would cost almost $150 with the one limited departure along with the over 10 hours. Being a long time and roughly half the day. I know I remember my trips between Toronto and Ottawa and back being several hours long.

I definitely don't think Greyhound will recover without government subsidies or bailouts. Hard to rebuild especially with the business model they are trying to operate on. 

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2 hours ago, Michel said:

This article confirms the sale of 3 garages including the one in Ottawa - https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55497587

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The group, which has been trying to sell its Greyhound US intercity bus service since May 2019, confirmed on Thursday that it remained in discussions with at least one unnamed party over a potential sale.

I wonder who it is? I don't think it's Coach USA but I heard Academy was interested in the Eastern routes.

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Meanwhile, the group confirmed it was also still in discussions with "credible potential buyers" for its North American contract businesses, First Transit and First Student, America's biggest school bus operator.

A lot of companies come to mind for these businesses.

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I can't see anyone buying Greyhound, unless it is to liquidate any remaining assets.   Perhaps the name, and logo may be of some value, due to its iconic status, however, in view of the company's reputation in the recent past, sadly, that may no longer be of any value...

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4 hours ago, traildriver said:

I can't see anyone buying Greyhound, unless it is to liquidate any remaining assets.   Perhaps the name, and logo may be of some value, due to its iconic status, however, in view of the company's reputation in the recent past, sadly, that may no longer be of any value...

Agreed, I think they've sealed their fate.

 

Some more changes in the meantime...

Effective 1/1/21

Abolished:

1314 Salt Lake City, UT to Denver, Colorado

1347 Denver Colorado to Salt Lake City, Utah

 

NEW:

6601 Denver, Colorado to Craig, Colorado

6602 Craig, Colorado to Denver, Colorado

 

Effective 1/4/21

A020, A287, A290, A327, N042, N4133 Have been discontinued.

 

Effective 1/5/21

Abolished:

7920 St. Louis, Missouri to Rolla, Missouri

7921 Rolla, Missouri to St. Louis, Missouri

7922 St. Louis, Missouri to Kirksville, Missouri

7923 Kirksville, Missouri to St. Louis, Missouri

 

NEW:

7230 Kansas City, Missouri to St. Louis, Missouri

7231 St. Louis, Missouri to Kansas City, Missouri

* Both operate via Warrensburg, Sedalia, Jefferson City, Columbia, Fulton and Wentzville, Missouri *

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/01-21.pdf

 

Effective 1/6/21

1076 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York will operate via Winston-Salem, North Carolina, RS Delaware House, Delaware and Newark, New Jersey

1078 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York.. Winston-Salem, North Carolina has been discontinued.

1246 Houston, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia will operate via Columbus, Georgia

1563 Atlanta, Georgia to Houston, Texas will operate via Columbus, Georgia. Lake Charles, Louisiana has been discontinued.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/02-21.pdf

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Effective 1/9/21

Abolished:

COP 1164

COP 1165

** Capital Colonial Trailways Pool Service **

 

Effective 1/12/21

Abolished:

9492 Sierra Vista, Arizona to Phoenix, Arizona

9496 Sierra Vista, Arizona to Phoenix, Arizona

9497 Phoenix, Arizona to Sierra Vista, Arizona

9499 Phoenix, Arizona to Sierra Vista, Arizona

 

New:

9481 Phoenix, Arizona to Tuscon, Arizona

9490 Tuscon, Arizona to Phoenix, Arizona

 

1415 Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, California... Will operate via Eloy and Mesa Arizona.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/03-21.pdf

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On 1/5/2021 at 9:08 AM, Megabus Rider said:

I wonder who it is? I don't think it's Coach USA but I heard Academy was interested in the Eastern routes.

A lot of companies come to mind for these businesses.

The only thing of value in my opinion would be the Boltbus brand. That is probably the ONLY thing I would buy from greyhound. 

Everything else is toast. Better enjoy the Greyhound we still have today because in 5 years it may not be here.

On 1/5/2021 at 11:03 AM, traildriver said:

I can't see anyone buying Greyhound, unless it is to liquidate any remaining assets.   Perhaps the name, and logo may be of some value, due to its iconic status, however, in view of the company's reputation in the recent past, sadly, that may no longer be of any value...

I think that is what First is doing right now. They are using Greyhound's asset to buy themselves time, so they could keep the company afloat to either dump onto someone else or shut down once they sell everything (like Greyhound Canada).

Ironically if the company shuts down, people will have positive feeling towards the brand.

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I don't know whether Greyhound Canada will "DIE" "Be Sold" or "Just Leave" same with the US version.

 

I hope not.

But if does "DIE" for those that are collector of bus memorabilia I'd get as many Greyhound items/Souvenirs/collectables as you can be there thrown away or gone for good.

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Some more schedule changes Jan 15th 2021

One round trip eliminated between NY-Philadelphia. In exchange a new r/t schedule will operate from Washington to NYC via Philadelphia and vice versa. It will not operate daily

1194 1196 Schedule between Atlanta and Chicago will run via 95th St Chicago and Gary, IN

One R/T between Tallahasse and Tampa will be eliminated

Schedule 3752 will only operate between Tallahasse and Tampa. Service between Tampa and Miami will be eliminated. Schedule 3749 will also be eliminated between Fort Myers and Miami. It looks like they are operating another separate schedule between Fort Myers and Tampa. I have to look at the new schedule. It looks like you may need to transfer at Ft Myers for service north/south

A new schedule will operate from Titusville, Fl on the East Coast to Tampa. 

One R/T to Key West from Miami eliminated

1596 Houston- Atlanta schedule will now stop at Baystown, TX

Lots of trips are going less than daily

 

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1 hour ago, Rapidbus said:

Some more schedule changes Jan 15th 2021

One round trip eliminated between NY-Philadelphia. In exchange a new r/t schedule will operate from Washington to NYC via Philadelphia and vice versa. It will not operate daily

1194 1196 Schedule between Atlanta and Chicago will run via 95th St Chicago and Gary, IN

One R/T between Tallahasse and Tampa will be eliminated

Schedule 3752 will only operate between Tallahasse and Tampa. Service between Tampa and Miami will be eliminated. Schedule 3749 will also be eliminated between Fort Myers and Miami. It looks like they are operating another separate schedule between Fort Myers and Tampa. I have to look at the new schedule. It looks like you may need to transfer at Ft Myers for service north/south

A new schedule will operate from Titusville, Fl on the East Coast to Tampa. 

One R/T to Key West from Miami eliminated

1596 Houston- Atlanta schedule will now stop at Baystown, TX

Lots of trips are going less than daily

 

It’s dying. The old dog is at the vet and the needle is being prepped.

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Effective 1/26/21

4727 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

4737 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

4916 Chicago, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

4932 Chicago Amtrak, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

 

Effective 1/27/21

Abolished:

1127 Detroit, Michigan to Nashville, Tennessee

2402 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

2405 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3753 Ft. Myers, Florida to Miami, Florida

3756 Miami, Florida to Ft. Myers, Florida

3792 West Palm Beach, Florida to Orlando, Florida

3796 Orlando, Florida to West Palm Beach, Florida

4697 Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to Washington, D.C.

4698 Washington, D.C. to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

6485 Fort Worth, Texas to Dallas, Texas

 

NEW:

1535 Detroit, Michigan to Dallas, Texas

3707 Orlando, Florida to Tampa, Florida

3708 Tampa, Florida to Orlando, Florida

 

7329 Tulsa, Oklahoma to Dallas, Texas... Fort Worth, Texas has been discontinued

 

Effective 1/29/21

1415 Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, California... Will operate via Deming, New Mexico

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/08-21.pdf

 

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On 1/27/2021 at 3:25 PM, ns8401 said:

Effective 1/26/21

4727 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

4737 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

4916 Chicago, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

4932 Chicago Amtrak, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota... Will Operate via Lakeland Park & Ride, Minnesota

 

Effective 1/27/21

Abolished:

1127 Detroit, Michigan to Nashville, Tennessee

2402 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

2405 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3753 Ft. Myers, Florida to Miami, Florida

3756 Miami, Florida to Ft. Myers, Florida

3792 West Palm Beach, Florida to Orlando, Florida

3796 Orlando, Florida to West Palm Beach, Florida

4697 Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to Washington, D.C.

4698 Washington, D.C. to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

6485 Fort Worth, Texas to Dallas, Texas

 

NEW:

1535 Detroit, Michigan to Dallas, Texas

3707 Orlando, Florida to Tampa, Florida

3708 Tampa, Florida to Orlando, Florida

 

7329 Tulsa, Oklahoma to Dallas, Texas... Fort Worth, Texas has been discontinued

 

Effective 1/29/21

1415 Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, California... Will operate via Deming, New Mexico

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/08-21.pdf

 

From 3 trips, to 2 trips and now one trip. Sounds like Greyhound Canada to me. Something tells me, that Greyhound will never recover from this. The best case scenario is that we will have a smaller Greyhound thats profitable. The worst case scenario is that First can't find a buyer, liquidate all its asset, and shut down due to "challenging enviroment"

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