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2 hours ago, ns8401 said:

With the border shut down they can’t if they wanted to.

Canadians can come back from the US, it's just anyone else who can't. 

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1 hour ago, Shaun said:

Canadians can come back from the US, it's just anyone else who can't. 

Right, they did post a service bulletin that says all cross border runs are shut down in light of the closure. 

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25 minutes ago, ns8401 said:

Right, they did post a service bulletin that says all cross border runs are shut down in light of the closure. 

So if you wanted to get home I guess you would need to take a cab from the bus station to the border and then cross on foot. 

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15 hours ago, Shaun said:

So if you wanted to get home I guess you would need to take a cab from the bus station to the border and then cross on foot. 

Your travel has to be essential... not sure how they define that.

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16 hours ago, Shaun said:

So if you wanted to get home I guess you would need to take a cab from the bus station to the border and then cross on foot. 

Taxi cabs, Limos and Passenger/Shuttle Vans are considered essential service, if they have a valid work order in hand to pick up those passengers and take them to their respective country on a one-way trip. If a Limo or Passenger Van demonstrates that their service is non-essential such as Chartered Trips for shopping and tourism, they will be denied entry.

49 minutes ago, ns8401 said:

Your travel has to be essential... not sure how they define that.

From my observation, work related to the pandemic such as a Canadian Charter Bus Carrier picking up Canadian Citizens at Buffalo Airport and bring them back into Canada on a one-way trip is essential. Health care professional who resides in Niagara Falls, ON and works at a Hospital in Buffalo, NY is essential. A Truck delivering supplies and goods between the 2 countries is essential. The trip has to be work related to the pandemic.

18 hours ago, translink fan said:

It left but didn't see if it was empty or no. So who knows of it'll make it I guess.

They can only transport essential passengers including American Citizens and Residents of the United States. Otherwise it has to go down empty.

On 3/18/2020 at 7:28 AM, map.man (Darrin) said:

Note:  Many of these schedules are likely to return as previously operated.  Most of them are cancelled due to driver shortages and low ridership (this latest round affected direct service to the Atlantic City casinos).

Regrettably, I can't guesstimate when the services would likely return, since the COVID19 spread is somewhat unpredictable.

The rumour that's going around from Hound employees who have knowledge of this, First has tried to sell Greyhound and the School Bus division to no success. First has now decided to auction Greyhound and the School Bus Division piece by piece. While the reductions are to do with COVID-19, the other reason for the reduction is to start auctioning off some equipment. Terminals that are being closed will also be auctioned off. First is acting fast to dump the North American operations as fast as they can.

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9 hours ago, Megabus Rider said:

Taxi cabs, Limos and Passenger/Shuttle Vans are considered essential service, if they have a valid work order in hand to pick up those passengers and take them to their respective country on a one-way trip. If a Limo or Passenger Van demonstrates that their service is non-essential such as Chartered Trips for shopping and tourism, they will be denied entry.

From my observation, work related to the pandemic such as a Canadian Charter Bus Carrier picking up Canadian Citizens at Buffalo Airport and bring them back into Canada on a one-way trip is essential. Health care professional who resides in Niagara Falls, ON and works at a Hospital in Buffalo, NY is essential. A Truck delivering supplies and goods between the 2 countries is essential. The trip has to be work related to the pandemic.

They can only transport essential passengers including American Citizens and Residents of the United States. Otherwise it has to go down empty.

The rumour that's going around from Hound employees who have knowledge of this, First has tried to sell Greyhound and the School Bus division to no success. First has now decided to auction Greyhound and the School Bus Division piece by piece. While the reductions are to do with COVID-19, the other reason for the reduction is to start auctioning off some equipment. Terminals that are being closed will also be auctioned off. First is acting fast to dump the North American operations as fast as they can.

In other words when I go back to work it’ll be a different world in that scenario.. great. Maybe to my benefit...

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More big changes now.. 250 more schedules gone:

Effective 3/20/20:

** NEW**

7306 Raton, New Mexico to Dallas, Texas

Origin / Destination Changes:

1163 Chicago, Illinois to Baton Rouge, Louisiana ** NOW TERMINATES AT MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE **

1212 Baton Rouge, Louisiana to Chicago, Illinois ** NOW ORIGINATES AT MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE **

1420 Los Angeles, California to Seattle, Washington ** NOW ORIGINATES AT SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA **

1437 Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, California ** NOW ORIGINATES AT EL PASO, TEXAS **

1443 Seattle, Washington to Los Angeles, California ** NOW TERMINATES AT SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA **

1444 Los Angeles, California to Dallas, Texas ** NOW TERMINATES AT EL PASO, TEXAS **

1500 Dallas, Texas to Chicago, Illinois ** NOW ORIGINATES AT MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE **

1504 Memphis, Tennessee to Cleveland, Ohio ** NOW ORIGINATES AT CINCINNATI, OHIO

1537 Cleveland, Ohio to Dallas Texas ** NOW TERMINATES AT NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE **

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Abolished:

251 Albany, New York to New York, New York

286 New York, New York to Albany, New York

V897 Dallas, Texas to Brownsville, Texas **Valley Transit**

V898 Brownsville, Texas to Dallas, Texas **Valley Transit**

1125 Atlanta, Georgia to Miami, Florida

1163 Chicago, Illinois to Memphis, Tennessee

1212 Baton Rouge, Louisiana to Chicago, Illinois

1243 Orlando, Florida to Houston, Texas

1248 Houston, Texas to Mobile, Alabama

1250 Mobile, Alabama to Orlando, Florida

1255 Orlando, Florida to Mobile, Alabama

1276 Seattle, Washington to Spokane, Washington

1277 Spokane, Washington to Seattle, Washington

1333 St. Louis, Missouri to Los Angeles, California

1360 Los Angeles, California to Phoenix, Arizona

1420 Los Angeles, California to Vancouver, British Columbia

1437 Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, California

1443 Seattle, Washington to Los Angeles, California

1444 Los Angeles, California to Dallas, Texas

1447 Phoenix, Arizona to Los Angeles, California

1500 Dallas, Texas to Chicago, Illinois

1504 Memphis, Tennessee to Cleveland, Ohio

1537 Cleveland, Ohio to Dallas, Texas

1547 Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas

1556 Dallas, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia

2000 Hartford Connecticut to Boston, Massachusetts

2003 Boston, Massachusetts to Hartford, Connecticut

2022 New York New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2023 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2301 New York, New York to Richmond, Virginia

2304 Richmond, Virginia to New York, New York

2402 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2409 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

2413 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

2420 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2503 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

3203 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3204 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3210 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3214 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3220 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3221 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3224 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3225 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3227 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3229 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3541 Boston, Massachusetts to Montreal, Quebec

3542 Montreal, Quebec to Boston, Massachusetts

3732 Orlando, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia

3785 Miami, Florida to Orlando, Florida

4001 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York

4015 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York

4036 New York, New York to Montreal, Quebec

4040 New York, New York to Montreal, Quebec

4551 Detroit, Michigan to Chicago Amtrak, Illinois

4552 Chicago, Illinois to Detroit, Michigan

4687 State College, Pennsylvania to Washington D.C.

4720 Chicago, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota

4820 St. Louis, Missouri to Chicago, Illinois

4821 Chicago, Illinois to St. Louis, Missouri

4909 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois

6001 Las Vegas, Nevada to Los Angeles, California

6006 Los Angeles, California to Las Vegas, Nevada

6009 Las Vegas, Nevada to Los Angeles, California

6010 Los Angeles, California to Las Vegas, Nevada

6013 Las Vegas, Nevada to Los Angeles, California

6014 Los Angeles, California to Las Vegas, Nevada

6021 Las Vegas, Nevada to Los Angeles, California

6023 Las Vegas, Nevada to Los Angeles, California

6034 Los Angeles, California to Las Vegas, Nevada

6048 Los Angeles, California to Las Vegas, Nevada

6491 Dallas, Texas to Houston, Texas

6739 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California

6749 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California

6751 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California

6752 Los Angeles, California to Oakland, California

6756 Los Angeles, California to Oakland, California

6844 Los Angeles, California to San Francisco, California

6853 Oakland, California to Los Angeles, California

6876 Los Angeles California to Oakland, California

6880 Los Angeles, California to San Francisco, California

6905 Stanfield, Oregon to Seattle, Washington

6908 Seattle, Washington to Stanfield, Oregon

7208 Houston, Texas to Dallas, Texas

7307 Denver, Colorado to Dallas, Texas

7310 Dallas, Texas to Denver, Colorado

7960 Brattleboro, Vermont to Boston, Massachusetts

7961 Boston, Massachusetts to Brattleboro, Vermont

8300 San Francisco, California to Reno Sparks, Nevada

8306 San Francisco, California to Reno Sparks, Nevada

8310 San Francisco, California to Reno Sparks, Nevada

8311 Reno Sparks, Nevada to San Francisco, California

8315 Reno Sparks, Nevada to San Francisco, California

9253 Albuquerque, New Mexico to El Paso, Texas

9662 El Paso, Texas to Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

Effective 3/21/20

Abolished:

N267 ? Part of New York to Toronto Service

207 Toronto, Ontario to New York, New York

212 Cleveland, Ohio to New York, New York

259 Syracuse, New York to New York, New York

285 Toronto, Ontario to New York, New York

311 Toronto, Ontario to New York, New York

329 Toronto, Ontario to New York, New York

V807 Harlingen, Texas to Brownsville, Texas **Valley Transit**

V815 Harlingen, Texas to Brownsville, Texas ** Valley Transit **

V822 Brownsville, Texas to Harlingen, Texas **Valley Transit**

V836 Brownsville, Texas to Dallas, Texas **Valley Transit**

V872 Brownsville, Texas to Houston, Texas **Valley Transit**

V897 Dallas, Texas to Brownsville, Texas ** Valley Transit **

4103 Syracuse, New York to New York, New York

4105 Syracuse, New York to New York, New York

4141 Syracuse, New York to New York, New York

4184 Buffalo, New York to Albany, New York

4263 Rochester, New York to New York, New York

6547 Vancouver, British Columbia to Seattle, Washington

8000 Mt. Laurel, New Jersey to New York, New York

8001 New York, New York to Mt. Laurel, New Jersey

8003 New York, New York to Camden, New Jersey

8007 New York, New York to Camden, New Jersey

8008 Mt. Laurel, New Jersey to New York, New York

8009 New York. New York to Camden, New Jersey

8012 Mt. Laurel, New Jersey to New York, New York

8013 New York, New York to Camden, New Jersey

8014 Mt. Laurel, New Jersey to New York, New York

8018 Mt. Laurel, New Jersey to New York, New York

8019 New York, New York to Mt. Laurel, New Jersey

8020 Camden, New Jersey to New York, New York

8022 Camden, New Jersey to New York, New York

8028 Mt. Laurel, New Jersey to New York, New York

8035 New York, New York to Camden, New Jersey

8041 New York, New York to Camden, New Jersey

 

Effective 3/22/20

Abolished:

A8993 ? Part of US-Mexico Service

AAU8982 ? Part of US-Mexico Service

AAU8986 ? Part of US-Mexico Service

AAU 8996 ? Part of US-Mexico Service

1403 Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, California

1408 Los Angeles, California to Dallas, Texas

1438 Los Angeles, California to San Antonio, Texas

1439 Vancouver, British Columbia to Los Angeles, California

1446 Los Angeles, California to Vancouver, British Columbia

3559 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to Norfolk, Virginia

3560 Norfolk, Virginia to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland

4554 Chicago, Illinois to Detroit, Michigan

4559 Detroit, Michigan to Chicago, Illinois

6316 San Diego, California to Phoenix, Arizona

6317 Phoenix, Arizona to San Diego, California

6774 Fresno, California to Oakland, California

6781 Oakland, California to Fresno, California

6842 Los Angeles, California to Sacramento, California

6859 Sacramento, California to Los Angeles, California

7265 Houston, Texas to San Antonio, Texas

9047 Dallas, Texas to Laredo, Texas

9320 Laredo, Texas to Dallas, Texas

9451 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Station, Mexico

9455 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Station, Mexico

9464 San Ysidro, California to Los Angeles, California

9467 Los Angeles, California to San Ysidro, California

9470 San Ysidro, California to Los Angeles, California

9479 Los Angeles, California to Tijuana Central Bus Station, Mexico

9484 San Ysidro, California to Los Angeles, California

9488 San Ysidro, California to Los Angeles, California

9601 Fresno, California to Calexico, California

9602 Calexico, California to Fresno, California

 

Effective 3/23/20

Abolished:

4588 Detroit, Michigan to Grand Rapids, Michigan

4593 Grand Rapids, Michigan to Detroit, Michigan

4594 Detroit, Michigan to Chicago, Illinois

4597 Chicago, Illinois to Detroit, Michigan

 

Effective 3/25/20

Abolished:

1142 Atlanta, Georgia to Cincinnati, Ohio

1157 Cincinnati, Ohio to Atlanta, Georgia

2005 Springfield, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2006 Hartford, Connecticut to Boston, Massachusetts

2009 Boston, Massachusetts to Hartford, Connecticut

2019 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2024 New York, New York to Springfield, Massachusetts

2026 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2405 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

2410 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2411 New York, New York to Wilmington, Delaware

2422 Wilmington, Delaware to New York, New York

2501 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2508 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2517 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2520 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2523 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2524 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2525 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2528 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2529 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2901 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

2904 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2909 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

2912 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2919 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

3019 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Norfolk, Virginia

3038 Virginia Beach, Virginia to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3200 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3201 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3207 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3208 New York, New York to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

3211 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3215 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3218 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3219 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3222 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3223 New York, New York to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3237 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3277 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3531 Boston, Massachusetts to Montreal, Quebec

3534 Montreal, Quebec to Boston Logan Airport, Massachusetts

3536 Montreal, Quebec to Boston, Massachusetts

3537 Boston, Massachusetts to Montreal, Quebec

3805 Shreveport, Louisiana to New Orleans, Louisiana

3808 New Orleans, Louisiana to Shreveport, Louisiana

4143 Buffalo, New York to Cleveland, Ohio

4188 Cleveland, Ohio to Buffalo, New York

4431 Cleveland, Ohio to Detroit, Michigan

4446 Detroit, Michigan to Cleveland, Ohio

4665 Detroit, Michigan to Nashville, Tennessee

4666 Nashville, Tennessee to Detroit, Michigan

4712 Chicago, Illinois to Minneapolis, Minnesota

4731 Minneapolis, Minnesota to Chicago, Illinois

4921 Milwaukee, Wisconsin to Chicago, Illinois

4936 Chicago, Illinois to Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Question, are these "abolished" run schedules PERMANENTLY discontinued, or "furloughed" until a later date?

You're making it sound like the Titanic is sinking.  Sensationalism of a delicate nature like this is how misinformation is spread.

I feel this is temporary, since the government (if not mistaken) has to approve the discontinuance of the routes.

I think the possible discontinuance of routes will at least force franchise runs in the interim.

Can we please make sure "abolishment" is based on facts, instead it looking like it's happening, especially during unprecedented times?

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2 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

Question, are these "abolished" run schedules PERMANENTLY discontinued, or "furloughed" until a later date?

You're making it sound like the Titanic is sinking.  Sensationalism of a delicate nature like this is how misinformation is spread.

I feel this is temporary, since the government (if not mistaken) has to approve the discontinuance of the routes.

I think the possible discontinuance of routes will at least force franchise runs in the interim.

Can we please make sure "abolishment" is based on facts, instead it looking like it's happening, especially during unprecedented times?

As someone who works in the industry... it feels exactly as if the Titanic is sinking.. and all the lifeboats around it. When you aren’t sure when you’ll be back to your normal run because it’s suspended that’s a bad feeling indeed, that’s my boat right now.
 

Not sure about the handful of Canadian runs but in the U.S.  those I listed are gone, off the timetables and gone from the computer, if they just furloughed them they would put “cancelled” on their site, which is what they were doing for a while. This is essentially Greyhound “right sizing itself“ for the situation. The actual wording used was “expiring” rather than “discontinued until further notice”. That means these are for sure gone for now. Nobody is gonna step in and run something nobody is riding (there are literally empty buses rolling around). So don’t worry I have made sure I know what I’m talking about first by observing everything and being very careful to get it right and get my ducks in a row before posting.
 

The U.S. government here has zero say in it, and I have my doubts that they care. Presumably some of these runs will come back as demand returns. In what form? Your guess is as good as mine. Be patient... you’ll see a whole bunch of NEW when they post what’s NEW. But it will almost certainly change post virus. That’s why I went to the trouble of copying that down by hand.  New origin/destination pairs and new numbers are very very likely. Also some of these are being cut related to fat trimming for the sale, especially in the first round last week. It will very likely be months before any semblance of normal returns to the intercity system.

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17 minutes ago, ns8401 said:

Not sure about the handful of Canadian runs but in the U.S.  those are gone, off the timetables and gone from the computer. Presumably some of them will come back as demand returns. In what form? Your guess is as good as mine. Be patient... you’ll see a whole bunch of NEW when they post what’s NEW. But it will almost certainly change post virus. Also some of these are being cut related to fat trimming for the sale, especially in the first round.

Well, I can speak for a number of the Toronto-New York runs.  Those (during most summer months) are operating at capacity by the time they arrive Syracuse, especially during overnighters.  I don't see too much of a trim there.

The few Buffalo-Cleveland trips I've been on were also heavily traveled.

Change could certainly help on the overall schedules, too, if they make better connection times possible at hub cities.

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4 minutes ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

Well, I can speak for a number of the Toronto-New York runs.  Those (during most summer months) are operating at capacity by the time they arrive Syracuse, especially during overnighters.  I don't see too much of a trim there.

The few Buffalo-Cleveland trips I've been on were also heavily traveled.

Change could certainly help on the overall schedules, too, if they make better connection times possible at hub cities.

I would caution you against thinking they are heavily traveled right now. Right, I’m wondering how much longer some of the 4 schedule a day corridors will be 4 schedules a day. We’ll see how it plays out but there may be a third major revision. I don’t want to make it seem all doom and gloom, I think a chance to pull things apart and change them will be helpful as you say and any expansion of service I am more than happy to report as good news.

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21 hours ago, ns8401 said:

I would caution you against thinking they are heavily traveled right now. Right, I’m wondering how much longer some of the 4 schedule a day corridors will be 4 schedules a day. We’ll see how it plays out but there may be a third major revision. I don’t want to make it seem all doom and gloom, I think a chance to pull things apart and change them will be helpful as you say and any expansion of service I am more than happy to report as good news.

IF Greyhound manages to find a way to fold, I wonder if member agencies of the National Trailways bus system could step in and start bidding on individual routes.

When Susquehanna and Bieber discontinued their line run services, Fullington stepped in, growing their agency by quite a bit.

My only concerns are the costs associated with intra-agency fare coordination, which I don't see happening.  Megabus as of right now doesn't have through fares between two different line runs.  That could drive up the costs of riding considerably.

On that subject, I'd be SUPER interested in seeing a state like New York (or even Pennsylvania) have a state-operated bus and rail system similar to GO Transit stitching smaller communities together with denser urban areas with inter-city service.  GO, in my opinion, would make an excellent model for agencies to learn from, since they have both bus and rail services.  A state agency would have a better chance of opening up a number of since-abandoned rail corridors with new ones.

 

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2 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

IF Greyhound manages to find a way to fold, I wonder if member agencies of the National Trailways bus system could step in and start bidding on individual routes.

When Susquehanna and Bieber discontinued their line run services, Fullington stepped in, growing their agency by quite a bit.

My only concerns are the costs associated with intra-agency fare coordination, which I don't see happening.  Megabus as of right now doesn't have through fares between two different line runs.  That could drive up the costs of riding considerably.

On that subject, I'd be SUPER interested in seeing a state like New York (or even Pennsylvania) have a state-operated bus and rail system similar to GO Transit stitching smaller communities together with denser urban areas with inter-city service.  GO, in my opinion, would make an excellent model for agencies to learn from, since they have both bus and rail services.  A state agency would have a better chance of opening up a number of since-abandoned rail corridors with new ones.

 

They would just use the Federal Transit Administration section 5311(f) funding already available and contract it to a carrier most likely. As for bidding on runs... there is no bidding on runs. You simply do the math and announce you’re going to start a run somewhere, pick a start day and go or not. 
 

Other than a couple medium operators (New York Trailways, Fullington Trailways and Burlington Trailways come to mind) the National Trailways system is mostly tour operators will little interest in line runs.

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3 hours ago, ns8401 said:

They would just use the Federal Transit Administration section 5311(f) funding already available and contract it to a carrier most likely. As for bidding on runs... there is no bidding on runs. You simply do the math and announce you’re going to start a run somewhere, pick a start day and go or not. 
 

Other than a couple medium operators (New York Trailways, Fullington Trailways and Burlington Trailways come to mind) the National Trailways system is mostly tour operators will little interest in line runs.

I was given this link: https://www.bisnow.com/toronto/news/investment/firstgroup-to-sell-off-all-its-north-american-transit-assets-including-greyhound-103388

So First is auctioning their NA operations from Greyhound to First Student to First Transit.

Rumour is Academy is looking into buying pieces of Greyhound, I am assuming the NE corridor from Boston to Miami.

I am not sure if the Trailways Members who are doing lines runs will take over some routes entirely. I would not be surprised if PW and Coach Canada got their wish to take over routes from Greyhound, especially the ones they have been fighting for.

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19 minutes ago, Megabus Rider said:

I was given this link: https://www.bisnow.com/toronto/news/investment/firstgroup-to-sell-off-all-its-north-american-transit-assets-including-greyhound-103388

So First is auctioning their NA operations from Greyhound to First Student to First Transit.

Rumour is Academy is looking into buying pieces of Greyhound, I am assuming the NE corridor from Boston to Miami.

I am not sure if the Trailways Members who are doing lines runs will take over some routes entirely. I would not be surprised if PW and Coach Canada got their wish to take over routes from Greyhound, especially the ones they have been fighting for.

I think they used auction in place of sale for some odd reason. It’s still a sale as of March 12 when that was written. I’m hearing rumblings from several places now that it WILL be parted out and done away with soon however so auction may end up being the right word after all. 

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11 minutes ago, ns8401 said:

I think they used auction in place of sale for some odd reason. It’s still a sale as of March 12 when that was written. I’m hearing rumblings from several places now that it WILL be parted out and done away with soon however so auction may end up being the right word after all. 

Originally, First did the traditional sale, but nobody budged. With debt interest being piled up, First is just cutting their losses.

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1 hour ago, Megabus Rider said:

Originally, First did the traditional sale, but nobody budged. With debt interest being piled up, First is just cutting their losses.

Right. At this point who would buy anything in travel or hospitality outright? Equipment and stuff sure... people will snap up what’s usable from Greyhound for when things normalize again. The routes are not really something you sell In the US though unless you’re paying First off to pull out of running that corridor or something? But then again you shouldn’t have to give them squat for that (maybe for the facilities and related infrastructure though? A lot of the stations are state and municipal now though so those entities will take In whoever wants it as tenants as long as a deal can be reached to have an agency)..

Government oversight and franchises and all that went away in 1982 with deregulation so Greyhound can abandon the routes at any time and somebody can just pick them up at anytime. Nobody has to pay First to take over a run so if Academy wants to they can run to Miami right now. It’d be a whole lot more lucrative to not have Greyhound running with them as competition though. And if they want to interline Greyhound has a history of trying to grind anyone who interlines and tries to compete with them at the same time into dust.

I would assume the ticketing infrastructure would be sold to the interline carriers in a cooperative style arrangement. Package express as well. That would provide a seemless transition for passengers and avoid a Western Canada situation. 

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It's truly a shame. Greyhound once one of the largest Inter-city bus company in North America has been reduced to this. Reminds the way Voyageur Colonial/Voyageur INC was years back in Ontario & Quebec, not to forget Gray Coach out Toronto.

Then there was the Trailways Continental with Greyhound saga.

 

Not sure was worst at running Greyhound

Dial Soap(I think that was one of the companies)

Laidlaw

First Bus

not sure of in the early early 1900's.

 

And lets not forget Coach Canada/USA.

 

I just can't understand it? You would think to big companies Like First Bus & Stage Coach would know how to run a inter-city bus company?

 

Or was it they where tring to run it like they do with there holdings in Europe & Hong Kong? Which simply doesn't work in North America.

 

I'm not sure what the future holds for Greyhound?

 

Assumming things get's back close to normal after the COVID-19 issue, what does the future hold for Greyhound.

 

Assumming certain parts of Greyhound get sold off(routes), what will Greyhound be like?

 

I can't comment on the US routes, but I can see either Coach Canada buying the Ottawa-Montreal(Express/local),Ottawa-Kingston,Ottawa-Toronto routes doing this will give Coach Canada the Ottawa-Toronto-Montreal triangle which probably one of the most profitable routes.

OR

I can see Orleans Express buying at least the Ottawa-Montreal route(express/Local), this would give them the Ottawa-Quebec City route like Voyageur had in the past.This also would give them a hold in Ontario, which later on possibly expand to other area's in Ontario?

 

Like I said I'm not sure what will happen and this is just speculation on my part in my thought on the routes mentioned above.

 

 

 

 

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On 3/26/2020 at 7:55 AM, map.man (Darrin) said:

On that subject, I'd be SUPER interested in seeing a state like New York (or even Pennsylvania) have a state-operated bus and rail system similar to GO Transit stitching smaller communities together with denser urban areas with inter-city service.  GO, in my opinion, would make an excellent model for agencies to learn from, since they have both bus and rail services.  A state agency would have a better chance of opening up a number of since-abandoned rail corridors with new ones.

 

How about New Jersey Transit?   They run state-wide local and interstate buses, trains, light rail, etc.....They operate in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and at one time, Delaware.

What the future holds for intercity bus....who know's?  

If there is a demand for such service, someone or more will attempt to fill it. But I doubt we will ever see the likes of Greyhound or Trailways at their peak, ever again.   I can envision some kind of service akin to Uber and Lyft getting  into some sort of demand based mass transportation in the future...

 

Another possibility, for long thin rural routes, deemed 'essential', might be for package carrier's like USPS, UPS, or FEDEX, to run "combo" vehicles on a scheduled basis, carrying some passenger's....I think I read that somewhere like Switzerland has such a thing....

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1 hour ago, MCIBUS said:

Are Bus Trailers allowed to operate in the US like they did in Canada? If so pehaps the companies you mention could do a combo or trailer?

You need a class A license... most bus drivers only have a B.

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3 hours ago, traildriver said:

How about New Jersey Transit?   They run state-wide local and interstate buses, trains, light rail, etc.....They operate in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and at one time, Delaware.

never thought of NJ Transit.  A good point.

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4 hours ago, traildriver said:

How about New Jersey Transit?   They run state-wide local and interstate buses, trains, light rail, etc.....They operate in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and at one time, Delaware.

What the future holds for intercity bus....who know's?  

If there is a demand for such service, someone or more will attempt to fill it. But I doubt we will ever see the likes of Greyhound or Trailways at their peak, ever again.   I can envision some kind of service akin to Uber and Lyft getting  into some sort of demand based mass transportation in the future...

 

Another possibility, for long thin rural routes, deemed 'essential', might be for package carrier's like USPS, UPS, or FEDEX, to run "combo" vehicles on a scheduled basis, carrying some passenger's....I think I read that somewhere like Switzerland has such a thing....

If there is an interline cooperative formed I think the existing companies can handle it. But they are so much easier to work with than Greyhound that I can see them welcoming in state agencies as well. Greyhound tended to push its weight around to the point that they would do things to spite other carriers without considering the adverse effects on them. 

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