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On 2/22/2020 at 9:39 AM, Shaun said:

Remember that Greyhound didn't understand that the feeder routes that lost money got them passengers on the busy routes. 

So when they cancelled the feeder routes it basically killed their business. 

 

Greyhound understood that very well, here in the US, back in the days of ICC regulation.   They were protected against competition on lucrative routes, and in return were required to maintain service on branch or secondary routes.   The main routes cross-subsidized the branch lines.   When regulation ended, fierce competition came from cut-rate new entries, that only wanted to 'cherry-pick' the most lucrative routes.  Hence, service on the branches could not be sustained any longer, without some kind of subsidy.

I agree that no one with any sense would buy the company, except to liquidate it.   The good name it once had has been too tarnished in recent memory to be of much value, and the corporate culture of many of its current employees is certainly not an asset worth inheriting...

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2 hours ago, traildriver said:

Greyhound understood that very well, here in the US, back in the days of ICC regulation.   They were protected against competition on lucrative routes, and in return were required to maintain service on branch or secondary routes.   The main routes cross-subsidized the branch lines.   When regulation ended, fierce competition came from cut-rate new entries, that only wanted to 'cherry-pick' the most lucrative routes.  Hence, service on the branches could not be sustained any longer, without some kind of subsidy.

I agree that no one with any sense would buy the company, except to liquidate it.   The good name it once had has been too tarnished in recent memory to be of much value, and the corporate culture of many of its current employees is certainly not an asset worth inheriting...

Would it be your view that deregulation was a failure?

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17 hours ago, ns8401 said:

Would it be your view that deregulation was a failure?

It all depends on your point of view...

If you are a consumer, only traveling on the heavily serviced corridors with lots of competition...then it is a success.   Lots of option's, and cheap fares.

 

If you are not traveling in those markets, good luck!

If you are an employee, trying to earn a decent wage, with a good retirement, and job security, good luck!

If you are a bus line, that is trying to provide a quality service, without having to cut corner's and remain viable, good luck!

 

So...you tell me...what is your view?

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6 hours ago, traildriver said:

It all depends on your point of view...

If you are a consumer, only traveling on the heavily serviced corridors with lots of competition...then it is a success.   Lots of option's, and cheap fares.

 

If you are not traveling in those markets, good luck!

If you are an employee, trying to earn a decent wage, with a good retirement, and job security, good luck!

If you are a bus line, that is trying to provide a quality service, without having to cut corner's and remain viable, good luck!

 

So...you tell me...what is your view?

I’m only 30 so a lot had already been killed (some of it ASAP in 1982). However I will say that I have bought old Russels guides and their map supplements and the changes that have gone on through the years are astounding. Some states like Michigan where I drive have been very proactive about having subsidized service. The 5 revived feeder routes we have here are largely the skeletal components of the pre-deregulation system revived based on perceived need with some of the odd stops and snaking back and forth eliminated. 2 of them were casualties of the 1990 Greyhound strike. That kicked off our subsidies actually. 1 was a casualty of the 2003 Greyhound cuts and the other 2 Greyhound simply up and quit one day in 2006 despite being under state contract. 
 

Rarely will I get more than 20-25 passengers a run on mine. It’s relatively easy money. Those main corridor schedules (New York to Boston for example) are probably frequently running pretty heavy. That’s a whole different ball game. 
 

The biggest thing I notice post-deregulation (bought a bunch of before and after 1982 timetables) is the loss of frequency. Where there were 3 or 4 buses on the original routes before abandonment there is only 1 each way now. That results in fewer connections and huge layovers. I’ve seen some as big as 22 hours (!) lately. I think some of this is TRIPS purposely steering passengers to Greyhound and not doing what is best for the passenger. I sincerely think deregulation was a net-negative for the industry and especially the passenger. It’s as if the whole thing needs to be imploded and rebuilt and relaunched and marketed properly as a normal mode of transportation. 
 

Overall I must say that the states are to be applauded for their willingness to step in and revive abandoned routes. The smaller interlining carriers have done quite well picking up the pieces where Greyhound has pulled out. My understanding is that they are quite often able to INCREASE ridership based on far better overall service and performance that what they replaced.

 

Meanwhile:

Schedule 6884 (Los Angeles California to San Francisco California) was discontinued effective February 24.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/13-20.pdf

 

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Back when I started working in the industry, (1968), the Official Bus Guide was almost as thick as the Manhattan telephone directory (something else gone with the wind).   There was at least one scheduled bus on virtually every federal and most major state highways across the country, from coast to coast, and border to border.   To be a Greyhound Lines driver, was considered the very pinnacle of professional driving, and was compensated accordingly.  I worked with  some senior driver's, who started during the pioneering of cross country bus service in the mid 1920's.

Intercity bus travel was a respectable way to go for many, and air travel was just starting to take away the long haul middle and lower class traveler's.  Even some 'glamour', like Five Star Luxury Service, with hostess aboard...   The new turnpikes and interstate highways brought bus travel times equal or faster than streamliner trains in many cases, who by the way, were quickly disappearing.

At one especially strong traffic period, Greyhound was opening a new major terminal a month, nationwide.

The ICC and state commission's, saw to it that fares were 'just' (mileage based, not market based),  good schedule's were maintained, and if business warranted it, a second carrier was allowed to serve a heavy route.

 

Deregulation ended all that...

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On 2/24/2020 at 10:42 PM, traildriver said:

Back when I started working in the industry, (1968), the Official Bus Guide was almost as thick as the Manhattan telephone directory (something else gone with the wind).   There was at least one scheduled bus on virtually every federal and most major state highways across the country, from coast to coast, and border to border.   To be a Greyhound Lines driver, was considered the very pinnacle of professional driving, and was compensated accordingly.  I worked with  some senior driver's, who started during the pioneering of cross country bus service in the mid 1920's.

Intercity bus travel was a respectable way to go for many, and air travel was just starting to take away the long haul middle and lower class traveler's.  Even some 'glamour', like Five Star Luxury Service, with hostess aboard...   The new turnpikes and interstate highways brought bus travel times equal or faster than streamliner trains in many cases, who by the way, were quickly disappearing.

At one especially strong traffic period, Greyhound was opening a new major terminal a month, nationwide.

The ICC and state commission's, saw to it that fares were 'just' (mileage based, not market based),  good schedule's were maintained, and if business warranted it, a second carrier was allowed to serve a heavy route.

 

Deregulation ended all that...

So overall it sounds like it managed to kill an industry that developed relying on these rules and the status quo at the time? My understanding is that an incredible number of small carriers were casualties within a decade as well, one would think that's the opposite of the intent of deregulation.

 

More cuts effective March 4:

Schedule 3516 Boston, Massachusetts to Portland, Maine

Schedule 3523 Portland, Maine to Boston, Massachusetts

Schedule 3562 Norfolk, Virginia to Richmond, Virginia

Schedule 3567 Richmond, Virginia to Norfolk, Virginia

Schedule 3571 New York, New York to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland

Schedule 3572 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to New York, New York

Schedule 8735 Resorts, New Jersey to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Schedule 8778 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Resorts, New Jersey

Schedule 8783 Resorts, New Jersey to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Schedule 8794 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Resorts, New Jersey

 

Additions effective March 5:

Schedule 1085 New York, New York to Atlanta, Georgia

Schedule 1088 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York

Schedule 1106 Orlando, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia

Schedule 1113 Atlanta, Georgia to Orlando, Florida

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/14-20.pdf

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Effective March 11 Houma, Louisiana has been discontinued. This effects:

Schedule 3838 Ruston, Louisiana to New Orleans, Louisiana

Schedule 3840 Lafayette, Louisiana to New Orleans, Louisiana

Schedule 3843 New Orleans, Louisiana to Ruston, Louisiana

Schedule 3845 New Orleans, Louisiana to Lafayette, Louisiana

 

Also effective March 11 Harrahs Atlantic City, New Jersey has been discontinued. This effects:

Schedule 8702 Philadelphia, PA to Harrahs, New Jersey (not the same Harrahs).

Schedule 8747 Resorts, New Jersey to Washington D.C.

Both now stop at Resorts Atlantic City, New Jersey instead.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/16-20.pdf

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Is just me or is Greyhound cutting so many routes that it'll just be small companY

 

Also

Just curious buy how is Trailways doing these years?

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36 minutes ago, MCIBUS said:

Is just me or is Greyhound cutting so many routes that it'll just be small companY

 

Also

Just curious buy how is Trailways doing these years?

Other than a few small Trailways members that interline with Greyhound, trailways is gone. Greyhound bought Continental Trailways (what you probably think of when you think Trailways) in 1987. 
 

Greyhound is cutting runs and stops to appear more profitable than it is while they try to sell it. Incidentally the sale is still ongoing and the talks have not ceased yet but this whole corona virus thing isn’t helping sell anybody on buying a travel company...

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Well Greyhound has a bunch of schedules "expire" on 3/18 which I will list here in number order. It won't let me buy a ticket for them after that date so I assume they are goners. About 160 schedules in total in an 8 page (!) bulletin:

A139 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run.

A201 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run.

A229 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run.

A261 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run.

A262 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND  run.

A263 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run.

A298 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run.

V831 San Antonio, TX to Brownsville, TX

V836 Brownsville, TX to San Antonio, TX

A4280 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run.

N4305 ? Has to with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run.

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0204 Syracuse, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

0221 Buffalo, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

0273 Buffalo, New York - New York, New York

0275 Boston, Massachusetts to Syracuse, New York

0277 Boston, Massachusetts to Syracuse, New York

0318 New York, New York to Buffalo, New York

0831 Dallas, Texas to Brownsville, Texas

0836 Brownsville, Texas to Dallas, Texas

1082 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York

1083 New York, New York to Atlanta, Georgia

1085 New York, New York to Atlanta, Georgia

1088 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York

1096 Jacksonville, Florida to Detroit, Michigan

1097 Detroit, Michigan to Jacksonville, Florida

1106 Orlando, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia

1113 Atlanta, Georgia to Orlando, Florida

1254 Houston, Texas to New Orleans, Louisiana

1259 New Orleans, Louisiana to Houston, Texas

1333 St. Louis, Missouri to Los Angeles, California

1360 Los Angeles, California to St. Louis, Missouri

1482 San Francisco, California to Arcata, California

1483 Arcata, California to San Francisco, California

1514 Dallas, Texas to New York, New York

1522 Dallas, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia

1539 Richmond, Virginia to Dallas, Texas

1548 Mobile, Alabama to Atlanta, Georgia

1553 Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas

1565 Atlanta, Georgia to Mobile, Alabama

1605 Richmond, Virginia to Detroit, Michigan

1620 Chicago Amtrak, Illinois to Washington D.C.

2001 Springfield, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2004 New York, New York to Springfield, Massachusetts

2011 Springfield, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2014 New York, New York to Springfield, Massachusetts

2403 New York, New York to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland

2406 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to New York, New York

2412 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to New York, New York

2415 New York, New York to Washington D.C.

2416 Washington D.C. to New York, New York

2421 New York, New York to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland

2502 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2507 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2508 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2509 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2514 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2515 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

2522 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2530 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

2537 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

3025 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Richmond, Virginia

3248 New York, New York to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

3281 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to New York, New York

3413 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

3420 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

3442 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

3459 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

3464 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts

3469 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York

3744 Tallahassee, Florida to Jacksonville, Florida

3751 Jacksonville, Florida to Tallahassee, Florida

3767 Orlando, Florida to Miami, Florida

3775 Atlanta, Georgia to Miami, Florida

3778 Miami, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia

3797 Miami, Florida to Orlando, Florida

3926 Charlottesville, Virginia to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland

3927 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to Charlottesville, Virginia

4013 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York

4028 New York, New York to Montreal, Quebec

4029 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York

4031 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York

4034 New York, New York to Montreal, Quebec

4038 New York, New York to Montreal Quebec

4050 New York, New York to Albany, New York

4051 Albany, New York to New York, New York

4060 New York, New York to Albany, New York

4061 Albany, New York to New York, New York

4066 New York, New York to Albany, New York

4067 Albany, New York to New York, New York

4101 Syracuse, New York to Buffalo, New York

4102 New York, New York to Buffalo, New York

4177 Buffalo, New York to Cleveland, Ohio

4180 Cleveland, Ohio to Buffalo, New York

4274 New York, New York to Syracuse, New York

4275 Syracuse, New York to New York, New York

4276 New York, New York to Buffalo, New York

4278 New York, New York to Syracuse, New York

4293 Buffalo, New York to New York, New York

4301 New York, New York to Syracuse, New York

4382 Cincinnati, Ohio to Cleveland, Ohio

4387 Cleveland, Ohio to Cincinnati, Ohio

4440 Detroit, Michigan to Washington D.C.

4447 Washington D.C. to Chicago Amtrak, Illinois

4511 Chicago Amtrak, Illinois to Cincinnati, Ohio

4689 State College, Pennsylvania to Washington D.C.

4694 Washington D.C. to State College, Pennsylvania

4703 St. Louis, Missouri to Atlanta, Georgia

4700 Atlanta, Georgia to St. Louis, Missouri

4970 Cincinnati, Ohio to Chicago Amtrak, Illinois

6485 Dallas, Texas to Houston, Texas

6489 Texarkana, Arkansas to Houston, Texas

6492 Houston, Texas to Texarkana, Arkansas

6731 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California

6742 Los Angeles, California to San Francisco, California

6743 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California

6775 Las Vegas, Nevada to Fresno, California

6783 Fresno, California to Las Vegas, Nevada

6838 Los Angeles, California to San Francisco, California

6862 Los Angeles, California to San Fransisco, California

6878 Los Angeles, California to Fresno, California

6879 Sacramento, California to Los Angeles, California

7230 Houston, Texas to Dallas, Texas

7322 Dallas, Texas to Kansas City, Missouri

7323 Kansas City, Missouri to Dallas, Texas

8310 San Francisco, California to Reno Sparks, Nevada

8317 Reno Sparks, Nevada to San Francisco, California

8320 San Francisco, California to Sacramento, California

8321 Sacramento, California to San Francisco, California

8525 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8535 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8538 Caesars, New Jersey to New York, New York

8544 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

8547 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey

8548 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to New York, New York

8560 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8569 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey

8570 Ceasars, New Jersey to New York, New York

8572 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York

8626 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

9026 Laredo, Texas to Dallas, Texas

9027 Dallas, Texas to Laredo, Texas

9042 San Antonio, Texas to Houston, Texas

9341 Houston, Texas to San Antonio, Texas

9605 Fresno, California to Los Angeles, California

9607 Calexico, California to Los Angeles, California

9609 Calexico, California to San Diego, California

9610 San Diego, California to Calexico, California

9612 Los Angeles, California to Calexico, California

 

Additionally Mohegan Sun Casino, Connecticut has been discontinued.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/18-20.pdf

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Another 59 Schedules get the axe:

8502 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York

8503 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8504 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8507 New York, New York to Harrahs, New Jersey

8510 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8511 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8512 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

8513 Brooklyn, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8517 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8523 New York, New York to Ballys, New Jersey

8524 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8529 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8531 Brooklyn, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8533 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8534 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8536 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8537 New York, New York to Harrahs, New Jersey

8539 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8541 New York, New York to Harrahs, New Jersey

8543 New York, New York to Ballys, New Jersey

8545 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey

8550 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

8552 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to New York, New York

8553 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8555 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8556 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to New York, New York

8557 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey

8559 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8562 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Brooklyn, New York

8563 New York, New York to Ballys, New Jersey

8566 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York

8568 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Brooklyn, New York

8574 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

8576 Caesars, New Jersey to New York, New York

8580 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York

8586 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York

8589 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey

8590 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

8592 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York

8596 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York

8702 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Harrahs, New Jersey

8719 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Washington D.C.

8731 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

8738 Washington D.C. to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8744 Washington D.C. to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey

8747 Resorts, New Jersey to Washington D.C.

http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/19-20.pdf

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Note:  Many of these schedules are likely to return as previously operated.  Most of them are cancelled due to driver shortages and low ridership (this latest round affected direct service to the Atlantic City casinos).

Regrettably, I can't guesstimate when the services would likely return, since the COVID19 spread is somewhat unpredictable.

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1 hour ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

Note:  Many of these schedules are likely to return as previously operated.  Most of them are cancelled due to driver shortages and low ridership (this latest round affected direct service to the Atlantic City casinos).

Regrettably, I can't guesstimate when the services would likely return, since the COVID19 spread is somewhat unpredictable.

A good point. Some of those... Detroit to Jacksonville or Kansas City to Dallas let’s say sound more like genuine cuts to me. I’ll be asking around later today but the cuts were abrupt and nearly immediate.

I found this blurb rather interesting:

”Greyhound Lines Inc. said in a statement it is "actively monitoring the status of the coronavirus and will follow the direction of the CDC as it does in all matters of public health." The company has not indicated publicly that it has cut any service yet. 

The American Bus Association, which represents motorcoach and charter bus companies in Washington, said Tuesday the coronavirus pandemic will cost the bus industry dearly. The group said nearly all of the charter and tour market has stopped operating, scheduled intercity service is down by more than half and continues to drop, and local commuter bus markets are down more than 60% as of Monday.

"If, as President Trump recently suggested, the current situation lasts well into the summer, August at the latest, the motorcoach industry will lose nearly $8 billion," the group said. "Further, it is very unlikely the businesses or transportation network will be able to return to pre COVID-19 levels of operation over the next year." 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/03/17/planes-trains-and-motorcoaches-seek-bailouts-virus-hammers-demand/5069468002/

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So from what I gathered today asking around it sounds like the non-New York City-New Jersey stuff is pre-planned cuts that were to take place as part of fat trimming for the sale. The mass abandoning of the casino runs sounds like the virus hurting business. Their website still indicates no service disruptions oddly.

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I wonder do any of these have to do with COD-V19 or what ever there callimg it now?

I'm wondering how it's effecting Greyhound. I know VIA, not sure abot Amtrack, have cut some schedules(due to virus)and have selected seating now?

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4 minutes ago, MCIBUS said:

I wonder do any of these have to do with COD-V19 or what ever there callimg it now?

I'm wondering how it's effecting Greyhound. I know VIA, not sure abot Amtrack, have cut some schedules(due to virus)and have selected seating now?

Many of the services to casinos and vacation spots are directly affected by the COVID-19 pandemic.

The "select" seating...I've not heard about that.   My assumption is making it where buses and trains can't be overbooked.  NYC-TOR runs used to be notorious for that.  Maxxing out at 20 or so passengers should allow gap seating, and maximum width between the passengers, window to window.

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23 minutes ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

Many of the services to casinos and vacation spots are directly affected by the COVID-19 pandemic.

The "select" seating...I've not heard about that.   My assumption is making it where buses and trains can't be overbooked.  NYC-TOR runs used to be notorious for that.  Maxxing out at 20 or so passengers should allow gap seating, and maximum width between the passengers, window to window.

I’m going to make it a point to look into max load counts in TRIPS tomorrow. The limit was 50 or 51 depending on the run before all this started. Traffic is down exponentially in the last week. I’m amazed we are still running honestly.

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3 hours ago, ns8401 said:

I’m going to make it a point to look into max load counts in TRIPS tomorrow. The limit was 50 or 51 depending on the run before all this started. Traffic is down exponentially in the last week. I’m amazed we are still running honestly.

Any reason why Greyhound/ Bolt is still running the Seattle - Vancouver BC route at this time? I thought they were going to cancel the run temporarily. But I've been seeing them depart as usual. My employer stopped our Seattle run on Wednesday because we weren't moving anyone because of COVID 19. Basically Greyhound can only take American citizens going south and Canadians on the trip north to Vancouver.

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Looks like Greyhound US and Canada has begun the process of drastic cuts to present service levels.

Didn't notice, however, updated on the bulletins. 

Just caught the schedule for table 170.

The schedule normally cuts across six pages, and is wrapped up into two, as follows:

1:  Cleveland to Buffalo, three trips.
2:  Buffalo to New York City, two trips.
3:  Syracuse to Boston, two trips.

Eliminated cities:  Toronto, Mississauga, Burlington, Grimsby, St Catharines, Niagara Falls, Fort Erie, Geneva, Ithaca, Scranton, Newark.

Also, table 152:

1: New York to Albany, one round trip.

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4 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

Looks like Greyhound US and Canada has begun the process of drastic cuts to present service levels.

Didn't notice, however, updated on the bulletins. 

Just caught the schedule for table 170.

The schedule normally cuts across six pages, and is wrapped up into two, as follows:

1:  Cleveland to Buffalo, three trips.
2:  Buffalo to New York City, two trips.
3:  Syracuse to Boston, two trips.

Eliminated cities:  Toronto, Mississauga, Burlington, Grimsby, St Catharines, Niagara Falls, Fort Erie, Geneva, Ithaca, Scranton, Newark.

Also, table 152:

1: New York to Albany, one round trip.

All service to Canada was suspended effective midnight this morning. Connecting carriers are calling it quits as well... Indian Trails is the first or one of the first to pack it in. Effective 630pm today.

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10 minutes ago, ns8401 said:

All service to Canada was suspended effective midnight this morning. Connecting carriers are calling it quits as well... Indian Trails is the first or one of the first to pack it in. Effective 630pm today.

Last time I remember the United States did something this drastic was 9-11-2001, due to the attack on our country.

All in all, I think it's necessary.

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2 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said:

Last time I remember the United States did something this drastic was 9-11-2001, due to the attack on our country.

All in all, I think it's necessary.

It is, it’ll be a long long time before traffic levels return.

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Greyhound #86860 is up here in Vancouver currently. I guess it still came up late last night. Not sure if it will just deadhead empty? I can't see anyone traveling still.

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1 hour ago, translink fan said:

Greyhound #86860 is up here in Vancouver currently. I guess it still came up late last night. Not sure if it will just deadhead empty? I can't see anyone traveling still.

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With the border shut down they can’t if they wanted to.

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1 hour ago, ns8401 said:

With the border shut down they can’t if they wanted to.

It left but didn't see if it was empty or no. So who knows of it'll make it I guess.

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