traildriver Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 9:39 AM, Shaun said: Remember that Greyhound didn't understand that the feeder routes that lost money got them passengers on the busy routes. So when they cancelled the feeder routes it basically killed their business. Greyhound understood that very well, here in the US, back in the days of ICC regulation. They were protected against competition on lucrative routes, and in return were required to maintain service on branch or secondary routes. The main routes cross-subsidized the branch lines. When regulation ended, fierce competition came from cut-rate new entries, that only wanted to 'cherry-pick' the most lucrative routes. Hence, service on the branches could not be sustained any longer, without some kind of subsidy. I agree that no one with any sense would buy the company, except to liquidate it. The good name it once had has been too tarnished in recent memory to be of much value, and the corporate culture of many of its current employees is certainly not an asset worth inheriting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, traildriver said: Greyhound understood that very well, here in the US, back in the days of ICC regulation. They were protected against competition on lucrative routes, and in return were required to maintain service on branch or secondary routes. The main routes cross-subsidized the branch lines. When regulation ended, fierce competition came from cut-rate new entries, that only wanted to 'cherry-pick' the most lucrative routes. Hence, service on the branches could not be sustained any longer, without some kind of subsidy. I agree that no one with any sense would buy the company, except to liquidate it. The good name it once had has been too tarnished in recent memory to be of much value, and the corporate culture of many of its current employees is certainly not an asset worth inheriting... Would it be your view that deregulation was a failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 hours ago, ns8401 said: Would it be your view that deregulation was a failure? It all depends on your point of view... If you are a consumer, only traveling on the heavily serviced corridors with lots of competition...then it is a success. Lots of option's, and cheap fares. If you are not traveling in those markets, good luck! If you are an employee, trying to earn a decent wage, with a good retirement, and job security, good luck! If you are a bus line, that is trying to provide a quality service, without having to cut corner's and remain viable, good luck! So...you tell me...what is your view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, traildriver said: It all depends on your point of view... If you are a consumer, only traveling on the heavily serviced corridors with lots of competition...then it is a success. Lots of option's, and cheap fares. If you are not traveling in those markets, good luck! If you are an employee, trying to earn a decent wage, with a good retirement, and job security, good luck! If you are a bus line, that is trying to provide a quality service, without having to cut corner's and remain viable, good luck! So...you tell me...what is your view? I’m only 30 so a lot had already been killed (some of it ASAP in 1982). However I will say that I have bought old Russels guides and their map supplements and the changes that have gone on through the years are astounding. Some states like Michigan where I drive have been very proactive about having subsidized service. The 5 revived feeder routes we have here are largely the skeletal components of the pre-deregulation system revived based on perceived need with some of the odd stops and snaking back and forth eliminated. 2 of them were casualties of the 1990 Greyhound strike. That kicked off our subsidies actually. 1 was a casualty of the 2003 Greyhound cuts and the other 2 Greyhound simply up and quit one day in 2006 despite being under state contract. Rarely will I get more than 20-25 passengers a run on mine. It’s relatively easy money. Those main corridor schedules (New York to Boston for example) are probably frequently running pretty heavy. That’s a whole different ball game. The biggest thing I notice post-deregulation (bought a bunch of before and after 1982 timetables) is the loss of frequency. Where there were 3 or 4 buses on the original routes before abandonment there is only 1 each way now. That results in fewer connections and huge layovers. I’ve seen some as big as 22 hours (!) lately. I think some of this is TRIPS purposely steering passengers to Greyhound and not doing what is best for the passenger. I sincerely think deregulation was a net-negative for the industry and especially the passenger. It’s as if the whole thing needs to be imploded and rebuilt and relaunched and marketed properly as a normal mode of transportation. Overall I must say that the states are to be applauded for their willingness to step in and revive abandoned routes. The smaller interlining carriers have done quite well picking up the pieces where Greyhound has pulled out. My understanding is that they are quite often able to INCREASE ridership based on far better overall service and performance that what they replaced. Meanwhile: Schedule 6884 (Los Angeles California to San Francisco California) was discontinued effective February 24. http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/13-20.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Back when I started working in the industry, (1968), the Official Bus Guide was almost as thick as the Manhattan telephone directory (something else gone with the wind). There was at least one scheduled bus on virtually every federal and most major state highways across the country, from coast to coast, and border to border. To be a Greyhound Lines driver, was considered the very pinnacle of professional driving, and was compensated accordingly. I worked with some senior driver's, who started during the pioneering of cross country bus service in the mid 1920's. Intercity bus travel was a respectable way to go for many, and air travel was just starting to take away the long haul middle and lower class traveler's. Even some 'glamour', like Five Star Luxury Service, with hostess aboard... The new turnpikes and interstate highways brought bus travel times equal or faster than streamliner trains in many cases, who by the way, were quickly disappearing. At one especially strong traffic period, Greyhound was opening a new major terminal a month, nationwide. The ICC and state commission's, saw to it that fares were 'just' (mileage based, not market based), good schedule's were maintained, and if business warranted it, a second carrier was allowed to serve a heavy route. Deregulation ended all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 10:42 PM, traildriver said: Back when I started working in the industry, (1968), the Official Bus Guide was almost as thick as the Manhattan telephone directory (something else gone with the wind). There was at least one scheduled bus on virtually every federal and most major state highways across the country, from coast to coast, and border to border. To be a Greyhound Lines driver, was considered the very pinnacle of professional driving, and was compensated accordingly. I worked with some senior driver's, who started during the pioneering of cross country bus service in the mid 1920's. Intercity bus travel was a respectable way to go for many, and air travel was just starting to take away the long haul middle and lower class traveler's. Even some 'glamour', like Five Star Luxury Service, with hostess aboard... The new turnpikes and interstate highways brought bus travel times equal or faster than streamliner trains in many cases, who by the way, were quickly disappearing. At one especially strong traffic period, Greyhound was opening a new major terminal a month, nationwide. The ICC and state commission's, saw to it that fares were 'just' (mileage based, not market based), good schedule's were maintained, and if business warranted it, a second carrier was allowed to serve a heavy route. Deregulation ended all that... So overall it sounds like it managed to kill an industry that developed relying on these rules and the status quo at the time? My understanding is that an incredible number of small carriers were casualties within a decade as well, one would think that's the opposite of the intent of deregulation. More cuts effective March 4: Schedule 3516 Boston, Massachusetts to Portland, Maine Schedule 3523 Portland, Maine to Boston, Massachusetts Schedule 3562 Norfolk, Virginia to Richmond, Virginia Schedule 3567 Richmond, Virginia to Norfolk, Virginia Schedule 3571 New York, New York to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland Schedule 3572 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to New York, New York Schedule 8735 Resorts, New Jersey to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Schedule 8778 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Resorts, New Jersey Schedule 8783 Resorts, New Jersey to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Schedule 8794 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Resorts, New Jersey Additions effective March 5: Schedule 1085 New York, New York to Atlanta, Georgia Schedule 1088 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York Schedule 1106 Orlando, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia Schedule 1113 Atlanta, Georgia to Orlando, Florida http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/14-20.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 Effective March 11 Houma, Louisiana has been discontinued. This effects: Schedule 3838 Ruston, Louisiana to New Orleans, Louisiana Schedule 3840 Lafayette, Louisiana to New Orleans, Louisiana Schedule 3843 New Orleans, Louisiana to Ruston, Louisiana Schedule 3845 New Orleans, Louisiana to Lafayette, Louisiana Also effective March 11 Harrahs Atlantic City, New Jersey has been discontinued. This effects: Schedule 8702 Philadelphia, PA to Harrahs, New Jersey (not the same Harrahs). Schedule 8747 Resorts, New Jersey to Washington D.C. Both now stop at Resorts Atlantic City, New Jersey instead. http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/16-20.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCIBUS Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 Is just me or is Greyhound cutting so many routes that it'll just be small companY Also Just curious buy how is Trailways doing these years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, MCIBUS said: Is just me or is Greyhound cutting so many routes that it'll just be small companY Also Just curious buy how is Trailways doing these years? Other than a few small Trailways members that interline with Greyhound, trailways is gone. Greyhound bought Continental Trailways (what you probably think of when you think Trailways) in 1987. Greyhound is cutting runs and stops to appear more profitable than it is while they try to sell it. Incidentally the sale is still ongoing and the talks have not ceased yet but this whole corona virus thing isn’t helping sell anybody on buying a travel company... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Well Greyhound has a bunch of schedules "expire" on 3/18 which I will list here in number order. It won't let me buy a ticket for them after that date so I assume they are goners. About 160 schedules in total in an 8 page (!) bulletin: A139 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run. A201 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run. A229 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run. A261 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run. A262 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run. A263 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run. A298 ? Has to do with the Montreal-Albany-NYC run. V831 San Antonio, TX to Brownsville, TX V836 Brownsville, TX to San Antonio, TX A4280 ? Has to do with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run. N4305 ? Has to with the BOSTON - ALBANY - SYRACUSE - BUFFALO - TORONTO OR CLEVELAND run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0204 Syracuse, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 0221 Buffalo, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 0273 Buffalo, New York - New York, New York 0275 Boston, Massachusetts to Syracuse, New York 0277 Boston, Massachusetts to Syracuse, New York 0318 New York, New York to Buffalo, New York 0831 Dallas, Texas to Brownsville, Texas 0836 Brownsville, Texas to Dallas, Texas 1082 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York 1083 New York, New York to Atlanta, Georgia 1085 New York, New York to Atlanta, Georgia 1088 Atlanta, Georgia to New York, New York 1096 Jacksonville, Florida to Detroit, Michigan 1097 Detroit, Michigan to Jacksonville, Florida 1106 Orlando, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia 1113 Atlanta, Georgia to Orlando, Florida 1254 Houston, Texas to New Orleans, Louisiana 1259 New Orleans, Louisiana to Houston, Texas 1333 St. Louis, Missouri to Los Angeles, California 1360 Los Angeles, California to St. Louis, Missouri 1482 San Francisco, California to Arcata, California 1483 Arcata, California to San Francisco, California 1514 Dallas, Texas to New York, New York 1522 Dallas, Texas to Atlanta, Georgia 1539 Richmond, Virginia to Dallas, Texas 1548 Mobile, Alabama to Atlanta, Georgia 1553 Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas 1565 Atlanta, Georgia to Mobile, Alabama 1605 Richmond, Virginia to Detroit, Michigan 1620 Chicago Amtrak, Illinois to Washington D.C. 2001 Springfield, Massachusetts to New York, New York 2004 New York, New York to Springfield, Massachusetts 2011 Springfield, Massachusetts to New York, New York 2014 New York, New York to Springfield, Massachusetts 2403 New York, New York to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland 2406 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to New York, New York 2412 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to New York, New York 2415 New York, New York to Washington D.C. 2416 Washington D.C. to New York, New York 2421 New York, New York to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland 2502 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 2507 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 2508 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 2509 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 2514 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 2515 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 2522 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 2530 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 2537 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 3025 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Richmond, Virginia 3248 New York, New York to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 3281 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to New York, New York 3413 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 3420 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 3442 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 3459 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 3464 New York, New York to Boston, Massachusetts 3469 Boston, Massachusetts to New York, New York 3744 Tallahassee, Florida to Jacksonville, Florida 3751 Jacksonville, Florida to Tallahassee, Florida 3767 Orlando, Florida to Miami, Florida 3775 Atlanta, Georgia to Miami, Florida 3778 Miami, Florida to Atlanta, Georgia 3797 Miami, Florida to Orlando, Florida 3926 Charlottesville, Virginia to Baltimore Downtown, Maryland 3927 Baltimore Downtown, Maryland to Charlottesville, Virginia 4013 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York 4028 New York, New York to Montreal, Quebec 4029 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York 4031 Montreal, Quebec to New York, New York 4034 New York, New York to Montreal, Quebec 4038 New York, New York to Montreal Quebec 4050 New York, New York to Albany, New York 4051 Albany, New York to New York, New York 4060 New York, New York to Albany, New York 4061 Albany, New York to New York, New York 4066 New York, New York to Albany, New York 4067 Albany, New York to New York, New York 4101 Syracuse, New York to Buffalo, New York 4102 New York, New York to Buffalo, New York 4177 Buffalo, New York to Cleveland, Ohio 4180 Cleveland, Ohio to Buffalo, New York 4274 New York, New York to Syracuse, New York 4275 Syracuse, New York to New York, New York 4276 New York, New York to Buffalo, New York 4278 New York, New York to Syracuse, New York 4293 Buffalo, New York to New York, New York 4301 New York, New York to Syracuse, New York 4382 Cincinnati, Ohio to Cleveland, Ohio 4387 Cleveland, Ohio to Cincinnati, Ohio 4440 Detroit, Michigan to Washington D.C. 4447 Washington D.C. to Chicago Amtrak, Illinois 4511 Chicago Amtrak, Illinois to Cincinnati, Ohio 4689 State College, Pennsylvania to Washington D.C. 4694 Washington D.C. to State College, Pennsylvania 4703 St. Louis, Missouri to Atlanta, Georgia 4700 Atlanta, Georgia to St. Louis, Missouri 4970 Cincinnati, Ohio to Chicago Amtrak, Illinois 6485 Dallas, Texas to Houston, Texas 6489 Texarkana, Arkansas to Houston, Texas 6492 Houston, Texas to Texarkana, Arkansas 6731 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California 6742 Los Angeles, California to San Francisco, California 6743 San Francisco, California to Los Angeles, California 6775 Las Vegas, Nevada to Fresno, California 6783 Fresno, California to Las Vegas, Nevada 6838 Los Angeles, California to San Francisco, California 6862 Los Angeles, California to San Fransisco, California 6878 Los Angeles, California to Fresno, California 6879 Sacramento, California to Los Angeles, California 7230 Houston, Texas to Dallas, Texas 7322 Dallas, Texas to Kansas City, Missouri 7323 Kansas City, Missouri to Dallas, Texas 8310 San Francisco, California to Reno Sparks, Nevada 8317 Reno Sparks, Nevada to San Francisco, California 8320 San Francisco, California to Sacramento, California 8321 Sacramento, California to San Francisco, California 8525 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8535 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8538 Caesars, New Jersey to New York, New York 8544 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 8547 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey 8548 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to New York, New York 8560 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8569 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey 8570 Ceasars, New Jersey to New York, New York 8572 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York 8626 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 9026 Laredo, Texas to Dallas, Texas 9027 Dallas, Texas to Laredo, Texas 9042 San Antonio, Texas to Houston, Texas 9341 Houston, Texas to San Antonio, Texas 9605 Fresno, California to Los Angeles, California 9607 Calexico, California to Los Angeles, California 9609 Calexico, California to San Diego, California 9610 San Diego, California to Calexico, California 9612 Los Angeles, California to Calexico, California Additionally Mohegan Sun Casino, Connecticut has been discontinued. http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/18-20.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Another 59 Schedules get the axe: 8502 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York 8503 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8504 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8507 New York, New York to Harrahs, New Jersey 8510 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8511 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8512 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 8513 Brooklyn, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8517 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8523 New York, New York to Ballys, New Jersey 8524 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8529 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8531 Brooklyn, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8533 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8534 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8536 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8537 New York, New York to Harrahs, New Jersey 8539 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8541 New York, New York to Harrahs, New Jersey 8543 New York, New York to Ballys, New Jersey 8545 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey 8550 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 8552 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to New York, New York 8553 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8555 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8556 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to New York, New York 8557 New York, New York to Resorts, New Jersey 8559 New York, New York to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8562 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Brooklyn, New York 8563 New York, New York to Ballys, New Jersey 8566 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York 8568 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Brooklyn, New York 8574 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 8576 Caesars, New Jersey to New York, New York 8580 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York 8586 Resorts, New Jersey to New York, New York 8589 New York, New York to Atlantic City, New Jersey 8590 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 8592 Harrahs, New Jersey to New York, New York 8596 Ballys, New Jersey to New York, New York 8702 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Harrahs, New Jersey 8719 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Washington D.C. 8731 Tropicana Casino, New Jersey to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 8738 Washington D.C. to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8744 Washington D.C. to Tropicana Casino, New Jersey 8747 Resorts, New Jersey to Washington D.C. http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/Schedules2/bulletins/19-20.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Note: Many of these schedules are likely to return as previously operated. Most of them are cancelled due to driver shortages and low ridership (this latest round affected direct service to the Atlantic City casinos). Regrettably, I can't guesstimate when the services would likely return, since the COVID19 spread is somewhat unpredictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, map.man (Darrin) said: Note: Many of these schedules are likely to return as previously operated. Most of them are cancelled due to driver shortages and low ridership (this latest round affected direct service to the Atlantic City casinos). Regrettably, I can't guesstimate when the services would likely return, since the COVID19 spread is somewhat unpredictable. A good point. Some of those... Detroit to Jacksonville or Kansas City to Dallas let’s say sound more like genuine cuts to me. I’ll be asking around later today but the cuts were abrupt and nearly immediate. I found this blurb rather interesting: ”Greyhound Lines Inc. said in a statement it is "actively monitoring the status of the coronavirus and will follow the direction of the CDC as it does in all matters of public health." The company has not indicated publicly that it has cut any service yet. The American Bus Association, which represents motorcoach and charter bus companies in Washington, said Tuesday the coronavirus pandemic will cost the bus industry dearly. The group said nearly all of the charter and tour market has stopped operating, scheduled intercity service is down by more than half and continues to drop, and local commuter bus markets are down more than 60% as of Monday. "If, as President Trump recently suggested, the current situation lasts well into the summer, August at the latest, the motorcoach industry will lose nearly $8 billion," the group said. "Further, it is very unlikely the businesses or transportation network will be able to return to pre COVID-19 levels of operation over the next year." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/03/17/planes-trains-and-motorcoaches-seek-bailouts-virus-hammers-demand/5069468002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 So from what I gathered today asking around it sounds like the non-New York City-New Jersey stuff is pre-planned cuts that were to take place as part of fat trimming for the sale. The mass abandoning of the casino runs sounds like the virus hurting business. Their website still indicates no service disruptions oddly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCIBUS Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 I wonder do any of these have to do with COD-V19 or what ever there callimg it now? I'm wondering how it's effecting Greyhound. I know VIA, not sure abot Amtrack, have cut some schedules(due to virus)and have selected seating now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, MCIBUS said: I wonder do any of these have to do with COD-V19 or what ever there callimg it now? I'm wondering how it's effecting Greyhound. I know VIA, not sure abot Amtrack, have cut some schedules(due to virus)and have selected seating now? Many of the services to casinos and vacation spots are directly affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. The "select" seating...I've not heard about that. My assumption is making it where buses and trains can't be overbooked. NYC-TOR runs used to be notorious for that. Maxxing out at 20 or so passengers should allow gap seating, and maximum width between the passengers, window to window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, map.man (Darrin) said: Many of the services to casinos and vacation spots are directly affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. The "select" seating...I've not heard about that. My assumption is making it where buses and trains can't be overbooked. NYC-TOR runs used to be notorious for that. Maxxing out at 20 or so passengers should allow gap seating, and maximum width between the passengers, window to window. I’m going to make it a point to look into max load counts in TRIPS tomorrow. The limit was 50 or 51 depending on the run before all this started. Traffic is down exponentially in the last week. I’m amazed we are still running honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink fan Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, ns8401 said: I’m going to make it a point to look into max load counts in TRIPS tomorrow. The limit was 50 or 51 depending on the run before all this started. Traffic is down exponentially in the last week. I’m amazed we are still running honestly. Any reason why Greyhound/ Bolt is still running the Seattle - Vancouver BC route at this time? I thought they were going to cancel the run temporarily. But I've been seeing them depart as usual. My employer stopped our Seattle run on Wednesday because we weren't moving anyone because of COVID 19. Basically Greyhound can only take American citizens going south and Canadians on the trip north to Vancouver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Looks like Greyhound US and Canada has begun the process of drastic cuts to present service levels. Didn't notice, however, updated on the bulletins. Just caught the schedule for table 170. The schedule normally cuts across six pages, and is wrapped up into two, as follows: 1: Cleveland to Buffalo, three trips. 2: Buffalo to New York City, two trips. 3: Syracuse to Boston, two trips. Eliminated cities: Toronto, Mississauga, Burlington, Grimsby, St Catharines, Niagara Falls, Fort Erie, Geneva, Ithaca, Scranton, Newark. Also, table 152: 1: New York to Albany, one round trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 4 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said: Looks like Greyhound US and Canada has begun the process of drastic cuts to present service levels. Didn't notice, however, updated on the bulletins. Just caught the schedule for table 170. The schedule normally cuts across six pages, and is wrapped up into two, as follows: 1: Cleveland to Buffalo, three trips. 2: Buffalo to New York City, two trips. 3: Syracuse to Boston, two trips. Eliminated cities: Toronto, Mississauga, Burlington, Grimsby, St Catharines, Niagara Falls, Fort Erie, Geneva, Ithaca, Scranton, Newark. Also, table 152: 1: New York to Albany, one round trip. All service to Canada was suspended effective midnight this morning. Connecting carriers are calling it quits as well... Indian Trails is the first or one of the first to pack it in. Effective 630pm today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map.man (Darrin) Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, ns8401 said: All service to Canada was suspended effective midnight this morning. Connecting carriers are calling it quits as well... Indian Trails is the first or one of the first to pack it in. Effective 630pm today. Last time I remember the United States did something this drastic was 9-11-2001, due to the attack on our country. All in all, I think it's necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, map.man (Darrin) said: Last time I remember the United States did something this drastic was 9-11-2001, due to the attack on our country. All in all, I think it's necessary. It is, it’ll be a long long time before traffic levels return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink fan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 Greyhound #86860 is up here in Vancouver currently. I guess it still came up late last night. Not sure if it will just deadhead empty? I can't see anyone traveling still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, translink fan said: Greyhound #86860 is up here in Vancouver currently. I guess it still came up late last night. Not sure if it will just deadhead empty? I can't see anyone traveling still. With the border shut down they can’t if they wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translink fan Posted March 21, 2020 Report Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ns8401 said: With the border shut down they can’t if they wanted to. It left but didn't see if it was empty or no. So who knows of it'll make it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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