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Well I figured since Greater Golden Horseshoe ask ys to help him out I would start a topic to get it all organized. Please don't us this to complain

I'll start us out.

-7 Inbound to CST from Fairview there is not a stop at King and Scott but one is being called out.

-25 IB Westheights at Driftwood C-N-T-R.

-22 Dest. sign always shows 22 Laurentian to Forest Glen.

-19 OB Bankside at Bankside P-K

-19 OB Highland t Highland H-L-S mall.

BTW could they do something about detours? Maybe program in the most common ones ie;downtown KW.

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-7 Inbound to CST from Fairview there is not a stop at King and Scott but one is being called out.

Already reported.

-25 IB Westheights at Driftwood C-N-T-R.

Noted, will send to staff.

-22 Dest. sign always shows 22 Laurentian to Forest Glen.

Noted, will send to staff. Similarily there are issues with signage not changing on Route 8's at the CST.

-19 OB Bankside at Bankside P-K

Noted, will send to staff.

-19 OB Highland t Highland H-L-S mall.

Noted, will send to staff. I'm assuming this is the stop on Highland Road at the mall entrance? Which direction HHM-bound or CST-bound?

BTW could they do something about detours? Maybe program in the most common ones ie;downtown KW.

I'm told by staff that there is software in the dispatch system to accomodate detours and includes such things as moving routes and stops on the map in the system and inputting duration of the detours etc. It's called "Diversions" in the INIT software package. Dispatch can even save common detours (ie. King Street closed for special events or parades) and activate the detour at certain times for a specified duration and then the buses are updated in real time. Problem is (to my understanding of what I was told) is that no one is dispatch has been trained to do this yet and there isn't always someone at Dispatch either. Go figure. ;)

Route 8 Courtland

- "Vanier at See" should be called out as "Vanier at Siebert"

- "Courtland at Carwo" should be called out as "Courtland at Carwood"

I haven't noticed this, on the buses I've been on on Route 8 these have been called out correctly, perhaps it's a bus-specific issue. If you notice it again copy the bus number(s) down.

On Routes 9 along Cedarbrae the stops "Cedarbrae / Heasley Park Tr" (one each way) should either have the Tr deleted or changed to Trail.

I'd actually like to see this renamed "Cedarbrae/Cedarbrae Public School" or "Cedarbrae/Glen Manor". I don't mind it being named after the trail, but I can't see a sign anywhere that this trail is actually called the Healsley Park Trail. Will send it to staff.

How about having "KEATS WAY" announced instead of it just saying "KEATS"??

Agreed and noted, will send to staff.

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Already reported.

Noted, will send to staff. I'm assuming this is the stop on Highland Road at the mall entrance? Which direction HHM-bound or CST-bound?

That would be towards HHM.

Has fleet ever thought about removing the "Int/Ext" switch on the Novas/ I've never really understood why the were there but now that the stop call are being heard outside the bus I think it may be time to get rid of that switch.

Is it possable to shorten the distance between stops IB on the 19 at the Walkway to Wexford and the next stop Victoria at Oprington? The bus is past it and halfway to Fischer-Halman by the time GReTa has a chance to tell me where I am.

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Has fleet ever thought about removing the "Int/Ext" switch on the Novas/ I've never really understood why the were there but now that the stop call are being heard outside the bus I think it may be time to get rid of that switch.

It's my understanding that it's not possible to bypass the switch. According to the minutes before my time the Operations Committee looked at doing just that when the stop announcements were just on the iXpress (the 2400's) and operators were turning them off (yeah, it's been an issue since then). I'm not sure, but methinks on the new buses they have come prewired for the INIT system to be bypassed from this switch, for buses before the 209## series I think we're S.O.L..

Is it possable to shorten the distance between stops IB on the 19 at the Walkway to Wexford and the next stop Victoria at Oprington? The bus is past it and halfway to Fischer-Halman by the time GReTa has a chance to tell me where I am.

Is the positioning of one or both stops not accurate (the INIT system should say "0m" when you are at the stop before opening the doors)?. If the stops aren't in the system accurately in terms of the lat/lon co-ordinates that needs to be corrected and I will send it to staff. If it's simply a product of "it calls out too late" but the positiong is correct then that's an issue that's already being addressed (hopefully) with changes to the programming parameters, since this is an issue with many many stops across the GRT system.

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How about getting the "VIA Rail" announcement corrected? Init seems to want to say .......... "VIE - A - RAIL", instead of "VEE - A - RAIL". (Hope I made that clear enough?) It's just plain embarrassing when I have to stop, or pass, the "VIE - A - RAIL" Station.

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Actually 21007 did announce "Next Stop " but only once!!! it went something like

"Jacob Hespeler Secondary......Next Stop Jacob Hespeler Secondary" But that was the only time! I think "Next Stop" should be announced at the " At Cambridge Markets" stop and "The Holiday Inn" stops

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Is the positioning of one or both stops not accurate (the INIT system should say "0m" when you are at the stop before opening the doors)?. If the stops aren't in the system accurately in terms of the lat/lon co-ordinates that needs to be corrected and I will send it to staff. If it's simply a product of "it calls out too late" but the positiong is correct then that's an issue that's already being addressed (hopefully) with changes to the programming parameters, since this is an issue with many many stops across the GRT system.

The distances are correct it's just that the stop are too close (I think it barely reaches the minimun distance between). If they are working on it, than thats good.

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On the 7, the stop says "King / Moore" but I think the announcement says "at Breithaupt".

This is a result of some of the errors that have been forwarded and have been corrected already. It is actually Breithaupt Street (legally) that comes out to King Street despite the roadway configuration at that location; as such the stop "King/Moore" needed to be changed to "King/Breithaupt" but that change in the text will probably only be reflected once the Fall schedule is loaded into the system. You will also notice this on Route 1 where the stop "Krug/Cedar" has also bee corrected to "Krug/Lancaster" but it will still say Cedar until probably Monday (I'm assuming) when the Fall schedule starts (and if the incorrect text persists into the Fall, then we'll have another issue to deal with [sigh]).

I think I'd actually prefer if the announcements said "Wellington Street" or even "Wellington" instead of "at... Wellington".

I would agree with this however, given that some of the stops have long names it may not be possible to do this and yet keep the stop names as consistant as possible across the system. Already there have been issues with the text of some stops being cut-off (eg. Cedarbrae/Heasley Park Tr, where the word Trail has been cut off and is pornounced as T-R). Also we have issue with the stops not being called-out soon enough where stops are too close together, I'm assuming this is why the "next stop" was removed from the annoucements in order to speed things up (even if only a little bit). If we make the stop names longer it may lead to more issues. On the other side of that coin, there are many stops where they are close together that should probably be outright removed (eg. Route 1, where stops are on both sides of the highway underpass on Krug Street and so close you can read the easyGo number standing at the first one).

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Was on several bus with equipped with INIT this afternoon. None of the buses called out "Next Stop" ... only the names of the stops were called out. Do they plan on keeping it like that or is it an error ?

It may be programmed that way. St. Catharines automated announcements don't say 'next stop' either.

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It may be programmed that way. St. Catharines automated announcements don't say 'next stop' either.

I believe that they have removed the "net stop" because alot of the stops are so close together GReTa can't say them fast enough so this gives her a little more time to "say her peace" so to speak.

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Route 27: "Morgan at Soothhill" (should be Southhill)

That one's questionable, look at the spelling of the street closely, there is only one 'H' in 'Southill", so is it really pronounced "SOUTH-HILL" or is it correct as is??

There are actually places named Southill...

Southill, Bedfordshire, England

Southill, Limerick, Ireland

Southill, Weymouth, Dorset, England

...so if the street name is derived from a place such as one of those the "SOOTH" is probably correct.

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The route 22...

-First of all the pronunciation of Activa is atrocious, could we get that fixed:)

-The time point O/B from Forest Glen should be at Westmount and Fischer-Hallmen but instead its at Erinbrook and Hedgestone causing a 3 minute jump on the plus side of the schedule.

The destination sign does not change at all from the time the bus leaves the terminal (22 Laurentian West to Forest Glen) till the time you get back to the Terminal on the return trip. There isn't even a 22 Downtown option in the INIT destination codes to switch it to.

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